Re: [freenet-dev] Freenet vs Tor website entry

2013-07-31 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Tuesday 30 Jul 2013 23:38:09 Steve Dougherty wrote: > On 07/30/2013 05:05 PM, Robert Hailey wrote: > > On 2013/07/30 (Jul), at 3:40 PM, Steve Dougherty wrote: > >> ... > > I'm sure Tor does something similar, it would be interesting to know > > how Tor nodes bootstrap. > > As far as I understan

[freenet-dev] Freenet vs Tor website entry

2013-07-30 Thread Robert Hailey
On 2013/07/30 (Jul), at 3:40 PM, Steve Dougherty wrote: >> ... it is easier to block than Tor connections? > > I'd say so - the list of opennet seed nodes is public,[1] so blocking > access to those IPs would mean no opennet. I'm sure Tor does something similar, it would be interesting to know

Re: [freenet-dev] Freenet vs Tor website entry

2013-07-30 Thread Steve Dougherty
On 07/30/2013 05:05 PM, Robert Hailey wrote: > On 2013/07/30 (Jul), at 3:40 PM, Steve Dougherty wrote: >> ... > I'm sure Tor does something similar, it would be interesting to know > how Tor nodes bootstrap. As far as I understand it tor bootstrapping is also centralized. I don't know any specific

[freenet-dev] Freenet vs Tor website entry

2013-07-30 Thread Robert Hailey
On 2013/07/30 (Jul), at 1:21 PM, Matthew Toseland wrote: > Too long? Too honest? IMHO we need to err on the side of honesty. IMO it is missing a few Tor downers. (1) people can & have run "exit nodes" to collect passwords (2) Tor generally uses only 3 hops (e.g. easier Sybil & traffic analysis)

Re: [freenet-dev] Freenet vs Tor website entry

2013-07-30 Thread Steve Dougherty
On 07/30/2013 02:58 PM, Robert Hailey wrote: > > On 2013/07/30 (Jul), at 1:21 PM, Matthew Toseland wrote: > >> Too long? Too honest? IMHO we need to err on the side of honesty. > > IMO it is missing a few Tor downers. Good points. > (1) people can & have run "exit nodes" to collect passwords

[freenet-dev] Freenet vs Tor website entry

2013-07-30 Thread Matthew Toseland
Too long? Too honest? IMHO we need to err on the side of honesty. https://freenetproject.org/faq.html#tor How is Freenet different to Tor? Can I access Google/Facebook/etc through Freenet? Freenet is a self-contained network, while Tor allows accessing the web anonymously, as well as using "hi