[freenet-dev] Using hardware to secure opennet; was: Would you pay to join opennet?

2013-07-22 Thread Michael Grube
For what it's worth, I think there is some potential here. If Freenet were tweaked to favor performance slightly over cryptography and anonymous routing(I'm not suggesting we get rid of these things completely), it might be worth attempting to sell as a very cheap cloud service. There is a

[freenet-dev] Using hardware to secure opennet; was: Would you pay to join opennet?

2013-07-22 Thread Robert Hailey
On 2013/07/22 (Jul), at 12:22 PM, Matthew Toseland wrote: >> IMO, the company/service going away ranks pretty low in the implementation >> concerns. > > This does happen in practice. See e.g. Wikileaks. Companies can and do pull > the plug on clients that cause press/political issues for

[freenet-dev] Using hardware to secure opennet; was: Would you pay to join opennet?

2013-07-22 Thread Robert Hailey
On 2013/07/22 (Jul), at 6:36 AM, Matthew Toseland wrote: > Okay so the idea is: > 1. Marketing: the user has something they can keep and use for other things. > 2. Uniqueness/cost guaranteed by the manufacturer: We can use an online > service to establish that it's a genuine, unique yubikey,

Re: [freenet-dev] Using hardware to secure opennet; was: Would you pay to join opennet?

2013-07-22 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Sunday 21 Jul 2013 23:20:40 Robert Hailey wrote: I'm not 100% sure how this might work, but having opennet require a security device might be publicly acceptable, and might also serve as the monetary disincentive to an opennet sybil attack. Without looking too much into it, I

Re: [freenet-dev] Using hardware to secure opennet; was: Would you pay to join opennet?

2013-07-22 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Sunday 21 Jul 2013 23:20:40 Robert Hailey wrote: I'm not 100% sure how this might work, but having opennet require a security device might be publicly acceptable, and might also serve as the monetary disincentive to an opennet sybil attack. Without looking too much into it, I

Re: [freenet-dev] Using hardware to secure opennet; was: Would you pay to join opennet?

2013-07-22 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Monday 22 Jul 2013 11:40:32 Matthew Toseland wrote: On Sunday 21 Jul 2013 23:20:40 Robert Hailey wrote: I'm not 100% sure how this might work, but having opennet require a security device might be publicly acceptable, and might also serve as the monetary disincentive to an opennet

Re: [freenet-dev] Using hardware to secure opennet; was: Would you pay to join opennet?

2013-07-22 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Monday 22 Jul 2013 17:10:56 Robert Hailey wrote: On 2013/07/22 (Jul), at 6:36 AM, Matthew Toseland wrote: Okay so the idea is: 1. Marketing: the user has something they can keep and use for other things. 2. Uniqueness/cost guaranteed by the manufacturer: We can use an online

Re: [freenet-dev] Using hardware to secure opennet; was: Would you pay to join opennet?

2013-07-22 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Monday 22 Jul 2013 19:07:46 Michael Grube wrote: For what it's worth, I think there is some potential here. If Freenet were tweaked to favor performance slightly over cryptography and anonymous routing(I'm not suggesting we get rid of these things completely), it might be worth attempting

Re: [freenet-dev] Using hardware to secure opennet; was: Would you pay to join opennet?

2013-07-22 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Monday 22 Jul 2013 20:23:48 Matthew Toseland wrote: On Monday 22 Jul 2013 19:07:46 Michael Grube wrote: For what it's worth, I think there is some potential here. If Freenet were tweaked to favor performance slightly over cryptography and anonymous routing(I'm not suggesting we get

[freenet-dev] Using hardware to secure opennet; was: Would you pay to join opennet?

2013-07-21 Thread Robert Hailey
I'm not 100% sure how this might work, but having opennet require a security device might be publicly acceptable, and might also serve as the monetary disincentive to an opennet sybil attack. Without looking too much into it, I supporting a smartcard interface from java (across many