Re: [freenet-dev] Another Drastic Solution

2003-10-16 Thread Toad
On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 10:31:47AM +0200, Niklas Bergh wrote: On Wed, Oct 15, 2003 at 02:17:57PM -0500, Brandon Low wrote: How long do you think connection multiplexing will take to impliment? I don't think it will take long to implement. However I haven't fully thought through the

Re: [freenet-dev] Another Drastic Solution

2003-10-16 Thread Toad
On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 12:22:40PM +0300, Costas Dokolas wrote: It would certainly be possible to implement multiplexing in a backwards compatible way. HOWEVER, at some point we would want to make multiplexing mandatory, because the old way of dealing with connections is so

Re: [freenet-dev] Another Drastic Solution

2003-10-16 Thread Toad
On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 04:06:48AM -0700, Reskill wrote: I just couldn't reserve comment any longer: On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 16:32:03 -0700 Toad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 12:30:11AM +0100, Pete wrote: Erm toad didn't you like say to Reskill that you wouldn't be able to

Re: [freenet-dev] Another Drastic Solution

2003-10-16 Thread Ian Clarke
Toad wrote: Suggestion: I implement multiplexing and test it on a local testbed of a few nodes. I don't implement any kind of backward compatibility. Followed by a larger testbed of a few volunteers' nodes. Followed by a network reset - wide deployment, without backward compatibility. I am a bit

Re: [freenet-dev] Another Drastic Solution

2003-10-16 Thread Toad
On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 05:06:32PM +0100, Ian Clarke wrote: Toad wrote: Suggestion: I implement multiplexing and test it on a local testbed of a few nodes. I don't implement any kind of backward compatibility. Followed by a larger testbed of a few volunteers' nodes. Followed by a network

RE: [freenet-dev] Another Drastic Solution

2003-10-16 Thread Todd Walton
On Thu, 16 Oct 2003, Pete wrote: I just want to be able to read scum/fillament/reskill/thoughtcrime and others again :-( Hear hear. -todd ___ Devl mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl

Re: [freenet-dev] Another Drastic Solution

2003-10-15 Thread Toad
On Wed, Oct 15, 2003 at 03:21:27PM -0400, Colin Davis wrote: Please forgive the obvious, but I seem to see these as two separate issues.. Multiplexing could be implemented with the current network, couldn't it? Current nodes could have multiplexing capability, and only use that when

Re: [freenet-dev] Another Drastic Solution

2003-10-15 Thread Brandon Low
On Wed, 10/15/03 at 20:26:06 +0100, Toad wrote: Current unstable - stable merge first, then multiplexing on unstable branch with a split network between unstable and stable might be one way to handle this. If the unstable code is likely to become good enough to merge before multiplexing

Re: [freenet-dev] Another Drastic Solution

2003-10-15 Thread Toad
On Wed, Oct 15, 2003 at 02:41:58PM -0500, Brandon Low wrote: On Wed, 10/15/03 at 20:26:06 +0100, Toad wrote: Current unstable - stable merge first, then multiplexing on unstable branch with a split network between unstable and stable might be one way to handle this. If the unstable

Re: [freenet-dev] Another Drastic Solution

2003-10-15 Thread Toad
On Wed, Oct 15, 2003 at 02:51:53PM -0500, Brandon Low wrote: On Wed, 10/15/03 at 20:45:42 +0100, Toad wrote: -Allow firewalled nodes to be fully functional parts of the network just without ARK insertion. This will give us some of the scalability advantages of Gnutella's

Re: [freenet-dev] Another Drastic Solution

2003-10-15 Thread Toad
On Wed, Oct 15, 2003 at 08:53:07PM +0100, Roger Hayter wrote: One possible idea, though not necessarily a very good one, is to make the default freenet installation two separate nodes, one stable and one unstable (with standard ports to distinguish them). Encourage people to use both for

RE: [freenet-dev] Another Drastic Solution

2003-10-15 Thread Pete
2003 19:56 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [freenet-dev] Another Drastic Solution On Wed, Oct 15, 2003 at 07:52:34PM +0100, Toad wrote: Suggestion: I implement multiplexing and test it on a local testbed of a few nodes. I don't implement any kind of backward compatibility. Followed

Re: [freenet-dev] Another Drastic Solution

2003-10-15 Thread Toad
On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 12:30:11AM +0100, Pete wrote: Erm toad didn't you like say to Reskill that you wouldn't be able to test freenet without letting it run in the wild? How is having a separate test network that isn't backwardly compatible with the current network then forcing a network

RE: [freenet-dev] Another Drastic Solution

2003-10-15 Thread Pete
scum/fillament/reskill/thoughtcrime and others again :-( -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Toad Sent: 16 October 2003 00:32 To: Discussion of development issues Subject: Re: [freenet-dev] Another Drastic Solution On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 12:30

Re: [freenet-dev] Another Drastic Solution

2003-10-15 Thread Toad
On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 12:39:15AM +0100, Pete wrote: wilde hello everyone [frontier] lo widle [frontier] wilde ;) wilde are there any good node.refs out there? wilde 5028 build [frontier] doubt it quoting toad When I say wide deployment, I still mean unstable branch - only the crazy

RE: [freenet-dev] Another Drastic Solution

2003-10-15 Thread Pete
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Toad Sent: 16 October 2003 00:46 To: Discussion of development issues Subject: Re: [freenet-dev] Another Drastic Solution On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 12:39:15AM +0100, Pete wrote: wilde hello everyone [frontier