On Mon, 01 Nov 2010 11:14:09 -0700
>> "Walter" == Walter Bright wrote:
Walter> I appreciate you having the courage to stand up to the critics.
Walter> I hope we can ensure that your choice turns out to be a big win
Walter> for you.
Well, I learnt that judging someone based on his (its) past i
Hello Bruno,
On 31/10/2010 05:35, BCS wrote:
Hello Bruno,
Which degree did 'Software engineers' take then?
You know, that's one thing that kinda irks me: Why is it called
'Software engineers' when I've never seen engineering taught in a CS
course (not to be confused with real "computer eng
On Mon, 01 Nov 2010 10:24:43 -0400, Bruno Medeiros
wrote:
On 29/10/2010 02:32, Robert Jacques wrote:
[snip]
The programming language Cilk popularized the concept of parallelization
through many small tasks combined with a work stealing runtime. Futures
are essentially the same concept, but be
--- On Mon, 11/1/10, retard wrote:
> From: retard
> Subject: Re: The Computer Languages Shootout Game
> To: digitalmars-d@puremagic.com
> Date: Monday, November 1, 2010, 5:23 PM
> Mon, 01 Nov 2010 13:39:07 -0700,
> I'm guessing he also accepts money and
> other kinds of gifts as a dedication
Mon, 01 Nov 2010 13:39:07 -0700, Walter Bright wrote:
> Isaac Gouy wrote:
>>> Nobody would believe benchmarks on the D web site. Heck, I don't
>>> believe any benchmarks published by the developers of any language.
>> When you publish the source code of the programs, and the compile and
>> build l
In most Europe, Engineering is always a 5 years (masters) degree,
oriented to big project developers who'll (supposedly) lead teams. I've
heard it's different in the Anglosaxon systems.
Whoa! :o
Shit, I'm going to go on a big tangent here, but I'm very surprised to
again hear that notion that
--- On Mon, 11/1/10, Rainer Deyke wrote:
> From: Rainer Deyke
> Subject: Re: The Computer Languages Shootout Game
> To: digitalmars-d@puremagic.com
> Date: Monday, November 1, 2010, 2:01 PM
> On 11/1/2010 13:04, Isaac Gouy
> wrote:
> > --- On Mon, 11/1/10, Walter Bright
> > wrote:
> >> Nobody
On 29/10/2010 21:29, dolive wrote:
Bruno Medeiros дµ½:
On 13/10/2010 03:20, Eric Poggel wrote:
On 10/12/2010 10:11 PM, Michael Stover wrote:
Descent is a dead project, replaced by DDT which doesn't have a release.
Also, I'm running Linux at home and Mac at work, so VisualD won't do for
me. P
--- On Mon, 11/1/10, Walter Bright wrote:
> From: Walter Bright
> Subject: Re: The Computer Languages Shootout Game
> To: digitalmars-d@puremagic.com
> Date: Monday, November 1, 2010, 1:39 PM
> Isaac Gouy wrote:
> >> Nobody would believe benchmarks on the D web site.
> Heck, I don't believe
>
On 11/1/2010 13:04, Isaac Gouy wrote:
> --- On Mon, 11/1/10, Walter Bright
> wrote:
>> Nobody would believe benchmarks on the D web site. Heck, I don't
>> believe any benchmarks published by the developers of any
>> language.
>
> When you publish the source code of the programs, and the compile a
Isaac Gouy wrote:
Nobody would believe benchmarks on the D web site. Heck, I don't believe
any benchmarks published by the developers of any language.
When you publish the source code of the programs, and the compile and build
logs, and the compiler and linker versions, and the OS the measuremen
On 31/10/2010 16:42, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
On 10/31/10 8:04 AM, Michel Fortin wrote:
On 2010-10-30 23:56:24 -0400, Andrei Alexandrescu
said:
Walter and I discussed the matter again today and we're on the brink
of deciding that cheap copy construction is to be assumed. This
simplifies the
On 31/10/2010 03:56, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
On 10/30/2010 09:40 PM, Michel Fortin wrote:
On 2010-10-30 20:49:38 -0400, Andrei Alexandrescu
said:
On 10/30/10 2:24 CDT, Don wrote:
At the moment, I think it's impossible.
Has anyone succesfully implemented refcounting in D? As long as bug
35
== Quote from Michel Fortin (michel.for...@michelf.com)'s article
> On 2010-11-01 11:02:02 -0400, Andrei Alexandrescu
> said:
> > On 11/1/10 3:26 AM, Iain Buclaw wrote:
> >> In a month, the GDC project may be in such a position (up to date +
> >> stable) that I
> >> will likely do so.
> >
> > I wo
Andrei Alexandrescu Wrote:
> Java did a lot of things right (be they novel or not) that are present
> in D, such as reference semantics for classes, inner classes with outer
> object access etc.
Implicitly making inner class inner is not right.
--- On Mon, 11/1/10, Walter Bright wrote:
> From: Walter Bright
> Subject: Re: The Computer Languages Shootout Game
> To: digitalmars-d@puremagic.com
> Date: Monday, November 1, 2010, 11:54 AM
> Isaac Gouy wrote:
> >> I'm not happy with your choice, but I don't
> dictate to you or anyone else.
Isaac Gouy wrote:
I'm not happy with your choice, but I don't dictate to you or anyone else.
It's your site and you can do as you please with it.
Maybe someone in the D community will make the effort and produce comparison
performance measurements, and then you can choose to publish them (or not
--- On Mon, 11/1/10, Walter Bright wrote:
> From: Walter Bright
> Subject: Re: The Computer Languages Shootout Game
> To: digitalmars-d@puremagic.com
> Date: Monday, November 1, 2010, 11:02 AM
> Isaac Gouy wrote:
> > On 10/31/2010 5:13 PM, Walter Bright wrote:
> >> The thing about that shootou
why talk about gdc on LDC2 thread?
Gour wrote:
On Mon, 01 Nov 2010 02:15:06 -0700
"Walter" == Walter Bright wrote:
Walter> I agree that the most likely route for D is in through the back
Walter> door.
Why not open-source projects as well?
We're planning to make one, despite advises against (see latest answer
http://tinyurl.co
On 11/1/10 12:23 PM, Isaac Gouy wrote:
On 10/31/2010 14:41 PM, Eric Poggel wrote:
What can we do to get it back on there?
1) What you can do is - make your own measurements and publish them.
To make that easy I packaged the Python script used to make the benchmarks game
measurements.
A) N
Isaac Gouy wrote:
On 10/31/2010 5:13 PM, Walter Bright wrote:
The thing about that shootout is D used to be on there, until the
maintainer of the site removed it.
D still is on there. The maintainer of the site did not remove it.
http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/gp4/measurements.php?lang=dl
Walter Bright wrote:
> Lutger wrote:
>> A linux distro or community repository cannot
>> distribute dmd at all, it is prohibited by the license. This is
>> primarily a practical issue, not an ideological one.
>
> And any one who has bothered to ask me, I have given permission to
> include it.
Th
On 10/31/2010 5:28 PM, bearophile wrote:
> Before being sure of this you have to receive an answer from that person.
Yes ;-)
> D was removed maybe for the lack of a 64 bit implementation, but also
No.
> because that site author has reduced the amount of work needed to manage
> the site, redu
On 10/31/2010 5:13 PM, Walter Bright wrote:
> The thing about that shootout is D used to be on there, until the
> maintainer of the site removed it.
D still is on there. The maintainer of the site did not remove it.
http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/gp4/measurements.php?lang=dlang
> He refuses
On 10/31/2010 14:41 PM, Eric Poggel wrote:
> What can we do to get it back on there?
1) What you can do is - make your own measurements and publish them.
To make that easy I packaged the Python script used to make the benchmarks game
measurements.
A) Notes and download (Alioth issue their own
On 2010-11-01 11:02:02 -0400, Andrei Alexandrescu
said:
On 11/1/10 3:26 AM, Iain Buclaw wrote:
In a month, the GDC project may be in such a position (up to date +
stable) that I
will likely do so.
I wonder what we can do about increasing GDC's exposure. One common
pattern is that people l
== Quote from Andrei Alexandrescu (seewebsiteforem...@erdani.org)'s article
> On 11/1/10 3:26 AM, Iain Buclaw wrote:
> > == Quote from Walter Bright (newshou...@digitalmars.com)'s article
> >> dsimcha wrote:
> >>> In the bigger picture, the only usable D2 implementation is DMD. This
> >>> isn't s
On 11/1/10 11:47 AM, Eric Poggel wrote:
On 10/31/2010 7:25 PM, Walter Bright wrote:
Lutger wrote:
A linux distro or community repository cannot distribute dmd at all,
it is prohibited by the license. This is primarily a practical issue,
not an ideological one.
And any one who has bothered to
On 10/31/2010 7:25 PM, Walter Bright wrote:
Lutger wrote:
A linux distro or community repository cannot distribute dmd at all,
it is prohibited by the license. This is primarily a practical issue,
not an ideological one.
And any one who has bothered to ask me, I have given permission to
includ
On Mon, 01 Nov 2010 09:07:29 -0700, Jonathan M Davis wrote:
>> for (ref x : array)
>> x *= 2;
>>
>> Apart from being 4 chars shorter, I think it looks more natural using
>> the ':' instead of ';'. A lesser benefit is it allows reuse of the
>> 'for' keyword, making the 'foreach' keyword unnecess
On Monday, November 01, 2010 06:16:47 Nick Treleaven wrote:
> There's a C++0x proposal for a range-based 'for' statement:
> http://www.open-std.org/JTC1/SC22/WG21/docs/papers/2009/n2930.html
>
> The upcoming GCC 4.6 C++ compiler changes list support for this:
> http://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-4.6/changes.h
On Mon, 01 Nov 2010 10:09:17 -0400, Gary Whatmore wrote:
>> I think this is better:
>>
>> for (ref x : array)
>> x *= 2;
>>
>> Apart from being 4 chars shorter, I think it looks more natural using
>> the ':' instead of ';'. A lesser benefit is it allows reuse of the
>> 'for' keyword, making th
On 29/10/2010 18:08, Denis Koroskin wrote:
On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 16:32:24 +0400, Bruno Medeiros
wrote:
On 29/10/2010 12:50, Denis Koroskin wrote:
On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 15:40:35 +0400, Bruno Medeiros
wrote:
On 13/10/2010 18:48, Daniel Gibson wrote:
Andrei Alexandrescu schrieb:
On 10/13/10 11:
On 25/10/2010 23:09, Diego Cano Lagneaux wrote:
En Mon, 25 Oct 2010 13:22:02 +0200, Bruno Medeiros
escribió:
On 22/10/2010 15:56, Diego Cano Lagneaux wrote:
Well, you think wrongly. :)
If you look at the top universities worldwide, the majority of them
have only one "computer programming" und
Pilsy:
> D is as much Java++ as it is C+=2.
Andrei:
> Java did a lot of things right (be they novel or not) that are present in D
Even if Java did only a single thing right, it would be silly to not
adopt it just to avoid "embarrassment".
Anyway, I think it's a nice syntax.
On 11/1/10 9:09 AM, Gary Whatmore wrote:
Nick Treleaven Wrote:
There's a C++0x proposal for a range-based 'for' statement:
http://www.open-std.org/JTC1/SC22/WG21/docs/papers/2009/n2930.html
The upcoming GCC 4.6 C++ compiler changes list support for this:
http://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-4.6/changes.html
On 11/1/10 3:26 AM, Iain Buclaw wrote:
== Quote from Walter Bright (newshou...@digitalmars.com)'s article
dsimcha wrote:
In the bigger picture, the only usable D2 implementation is DMD. This isn't so
bad, as non-reference implementations always take awhile to catch up. Jython,
for
example, i
Gary Whatmore Wrote:
[...]
> It would be embarrasing to admit that Java did something right.
Like class types being reference types, having "abstract" and "final" keywords,
only alloowing single inheritance of implementation while allowing multiple
implementation of interface, adding garbage col
On 29/10/2010 02:32, Robert Jacques wrote:
On Thu, 28 Oct 2010 10:48:34 -0400, Bruno Medeiros
wrote:
On 26/10/2010 04:47, Robert Jacques wrote:
On Mon, 25 Oct 2010 09:44:14 -0400, Bruno Medeiros
wrote:
On 23/09/2010 23:39, Robert Jacques wrote:
On Thu, 23 Sep 2010 16:35:23 -0400, Tomek Sow
Nick Treleaven Wrote:
> There's a C++0x proposal for a range-based 'for' statement:
> http://www.open-std.org/JTC1/SC22/WG21/docs/papers/2009/n2930.html
>
> The upcoming GCC 4.6 C++ compiler changes list support for this:
> http://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-4.6/changes.html
>
> I think the syntax could be
Andrei Alexandrescu Wrote:
[...]
> (Why don't you post more often?)
I mostly post during lulls at work.
> > I can't think of a case where someone just does it because
> > they know better.
> The typical case is value types of variable length: strings (the
> built-in offering notwithstanding),
On 21/09/2010 09:23, Simen kjaeraas wrote:
bearophile wrote:
klickverbot:
Are there any cases where (*cast(int*)&someFloat) does not fit the bill?
I am not a C lawyer, but I think that too is undefined in C (and maybe
D too).
From your own link
(http://www.digitalmars.com/webnews/newsgrou
On 21/09/2010 00:27, bearophile wrote:
klickverbot:
Are there any cases where (*cast(int*)&someFloat) does not fit the bill?
I am not a C lawyer, but I think that too is undefined in C (and maybe D too).
Bye,
bearophile
In general, it is definitely undefined behavior in C, but that's becaus
On 31/10/2010 05:35, BCS wrote:
Hello Bruno,
Which degree did 'Software engineers' take then?
You know, that's one thing that kinda irks me: Why is it called
'Software engineers' when I've never seen engineering taught in a CS
course (not to be confused with real "computer engineering" cours
There's a C++0x proposal for a range-based 'for' statement:
http://www.open-std.org/JTC1/SC22/WG21/docs/papers/2009/n2930.html
The upcoming GCC 4.6 C++ compiler changes list support for this:
http://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-4.6/changes.html
I think the syntax could be useful for D to shorten and improve o
On Mon, 01 Nov 2010 02:15:06 -0700
>> "Walter" == Walter Bright wrote:
Walter> I agree that the most likely route for D is in through the back
Walter> door.
Why not open-source projects as well?
We're planning to make one, despite advises against (see latest answer
http://tinyurl.com/36yzzj4
Mon, 01 Nov 2010 11:19:08 +0100, Diego Cano Lagneaux wrote:
>>> Of which there are very few. A linux distro or community repository
>>> cannot distribute dmd at all, it is prohibited by the license. This is
>>> primarily a practical issue, not an ideological one.
>>
>> Right.. I forgot the issue
On Mon, 01 Nov 2010 11:19:08 +0100
>> "Diego" == "Diego Cano Lagneaux" wrote:
Diego> ArchLinux includes dmd (version 1) in its community repo. It
Diego> does not seem so impossible as you say.
Don't forget about dmd2 in AUR. ;)
(http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?O=0&K=dmd2&do_Search=Go)
Of which there are very few. A linux distro or community repository
cannot distribute dmd at all, it is prohibited by the license. This is
primarily a practical issue, not an ideological one.
Right.. I forgot the issue is also practical. If DigitalMars doesn't
allow redistribution, they simply
Juanjo Alvarez wrote:
With Python what happened for some years was that some companies were
using it for lots of internal project, but not disclosing its use, for
fear that the upper management could scream, "whats that python crap!
That is not java! " I know because I worked on one of them (a
On Sun, 31 Oct 2010 14:12:04 -0700, Walter Bright
wrote:
Sometimes I feel people are just waiting around, wanting to use D,
but waiting
for someone else to make the first move. It's like a dance club,
where everyone
With Python what happened for some years was that some companies were
using
Iain Buclaw wrote:
== Quote from Walter Bright (newshou...@digitalmars.com)'s article
dsimcha wrote:
In the bigger picture, the only usable D2 implementation is DMD. This isn't so
bad, as non-reference implementations always take awhile to catch up. Jython,
for
example, is still back on Pyth
== Quote from Walter Bright (newshou...@digitalmars.com)'s article
> dsimcha wrote:
> > In the bigger picture, the only usable D2 implementation is DMD. This
> > isn't so
> > bad, as non-reference implementations always take awhile to catch up.
> > Jython, for
> > example, is still back on Pyth
On 01.11.2010 05:43, SK wrote:
On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 9:19 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu
wrote:
No Windows?
My Google-fu shows most complaints related to LLVM on Windows are
actually clang problems. I also came across this, but maybe old news
here:
http://software.intel.com/en-us/blogs/2009/05/2
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