On Tuesday, September 06, 2011 08:42:14 Jacob Carlborg wrote:
> On 2011-09-06 08:00, Walter Bright wrote:
> > On 9/5/2011 7:48 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
> >> I agree with all of the above. However, as is often the case, there's
> >> more than
> >> one side to the story.
> >>
> >> Bad APIs hav
On 2011-09-06 08:00, Walter Bright wrote:
On 9/5/2011 7:48 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
I agree with all of the above. However, as is often the case, there's
more than
one side to the story.
Bad APIs have their costs too. We can't afford to have an XML library
that
offers few and badly packag
On 2011-09-06 04:48, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
I agree with all of the above. However, as is often the case, there's
more than one side to the story.
Bad APIs have their costs too. We can't afford to have an XML library
that offers few and badly packaged features and comes at the tail of all
be
On 2011-09-06 02:33, dsimcha wrote:
== Quote from Jonathan M Davis (jmdavisp...@gmx.com)'s article
dsimcha, is there any reason not to start the review of the region allocator
shortly? Does a review period of about 2 weeks, ending on Wednesday, the 21st
sound good?
- Jonathan M Davis
Sounds pe
On 9/5/2011 7:48 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
I agree with all of the above. However, as is often the case, there's more than
one side to the story.
Bad APIs have their costs too. We can't afford to have an XML library that
offers few and badly packaged features and comes at the tail of all be
== Quote from Andrei Alexandrescu (seewebsiteforem...@erdani.org)'s article
> In many ways a language's standard library is a
> showcase of the language,
YES!!! I'm glad someone besides me finally realizes this. For example, whenever
someone asks me about why D metaprogramming is so great, I just
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 12:48 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu
wrote:
> On 09/05/2011 04:51 PM, Walter Bright wrote:
>>>
>>> If the new std.path breaks existing code, I need to fix it before it is
>>> released. Please let me know what problems you are experiencing.
>>
>> It prints out all the deprecation me
On 09/05/2011 04:51 PM, Walter Bright wrote:
If the new std.path breaks existing code, I need to fix it before it is
released. Please let me know what problems you are experiencing.
It prints out all the deprecation message. It means I'll have to go edit
existing, working code to change the nam
== Quote from Jonathan M Davis (jmdavisp...@gmx.com)'s article
> dsimcha, is there any reason not to start the review of the region allocator
> shortly? Does a review period of about 2 weeks, ending on Wednesday, the 21st
> sound good?
> - Jonathan M Davis
Sounds perfect. Thanks. A few issues th
On Wednesday, August 31, 2011 23:56:04 dsimcha wrote:
> Unless something has changed, the review of std.curl (formerly etc.curl
> but I think there's some agreement now that it should be in std) ends
> today. (David Naglinger is the review manager. David, please make this
> official.)
>
> Since
Count me as another who is sick and tired of the gratuitous breaking
changes every damned month.
The worst part is there's still some new stuff I actually want each
month, so I'm not doing my usual strategy of never, ever, ever updating
software.
It's just pain. Trivial changes are easy enough to
Jonathan M Davis:
> > Breaking std.stdio, which is used everywhere, this thoroughly needs a very
> > high bar of justification.
>
> Agreed.
The purpose of the gofix tool in the Go language library is to lower this bar
significantly :-)
Bye,
bearophile
Andrej Mitrovic:
> It would really help out if we had some sort of semi-automated script
> that can do at least partial translation of code that uses old phobos
> functions to new ones. Maybe this wouldn't work 100% but at least it
> would help out. I'm thinking of something similar to what Python
On 09/06/2011 12:36 AM, zeljkog wrote:
On 05.09.2011 23:06, Timon Gehr wrote:
The aggregate to loop over is evaluated at compile time:
int[] getAggregate(){return [1,2,3,];}
static foreach(x;getAggregate()) {
pragma(msg,x);
}
Eh :)
For me the only compile time agregate is tuple.
foreach a
On 05.09.2011 23:06, Timon Gehr wrote:
The aggregate to loop over is evaluated at compile time:
int[] getAggregate(){return [1,2,3,];}
static foreach(x;getAggregate()) {
pragma(msg,x);
}
Eh :)
For me the only compile time agregate is tuple.
We should talk about basic looping construct for c
Am 06.09.2011, 00:05 Uhr, schrieb Andrej Mitrovic
:
On 9/5/11, Walter Bright wrote:
It prints out all the deprecation message. It means I'll have to go edit
existing, working code to change the names.
It would really help out if we had some sort of semi-automated script
that can do at leas
== Quote from Walter Bright (newshou...@digitalmars.com)'s article
> On 9/4/2011 2:17 AM, Lars T. Kyllingstad wrote:
> I'll again note that I know of know successful operating system or programming
> language that goes around breaking existing code unless it is really, really
> urgent.
> Camel-cas
"Paulo Pinto" wrote in message
news:j3goop$1kh3$1...@digitalmars.com...
> You can read about it here,
> http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/6470/a_conversation_with_bill_budge.php?print=1
>
This interview also ended up published in the Sept 2011 issue of Game
Developer Magazine.
On 9/5/11, Walter Bright wrote:
> It prints out all the deprecation message. It means I'll have to go edit
> existing, working code to change the names.
It would really help out if we had some sort of semi-automated script
that can do at least partial translation of code that uses old phobos
func
Simen Kjaeraas:
> Certainly we could sit in a corner and pray to almighty Walter that this be
> implemented,
Walter did find problems in trying to implement a *full* static foreach. Walter
is intelligent, quite experienced, and knows the DMD codebase well, but he's
just one person. So maybe if
On 9/4/2011 2:17 AM, Lars T. Kyllingstad wrote:
On Sat, 03 Sep 2011 18:23:26 -0700, Walter Bright wrote:
[I also don't like it that all my code that uses std.path is now
broken.]
What do you mean by "broken"? That it does not compile or work as
expected, or that it spits out a bunch of annoy
Andrei Alexandrescu:
> We need a form of iteration that, just like
> static if, plants symbols in the current scope, not in a new scope.
> StaticIota is unable to help with that.
A good static foreach works outside any functions too (as static if), at global
scope.
Bye,
bearophile
On 9/5/11 17:16 EDT, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
On 9/5/11 14:38 EDT, Steve Teale wrote:
I've been using a recent version of D2 along with gtkD and
Code::Blocks to
redo a quite complicated Windows GUI program I wrote back in the mid
90s with
the changes I've though of since then, in an Ubuntu env
On 9/5/11 14:38 EDT, Steve Teale wrote:
I've been using a recent version of D2 along with gtkD and Code::Blocks to
redo a quite complicated Windows GUI program I wrote back in the mid 90s with
the changes I've though of since then, in an Ubuntu environment.
This combination has definitely made m
On 09/05/2011 10:43 PM, zeljkog wrote:
On 05.09.2011 21:55, Timon Gehr wrote:
static foreach is part of the design. The only reason it is not in the
compiler (and we have the kludgy foreach that works on tuples) is
because Walter experienced implementation difficulties.
Before implementation
On 05.09.2011 21:55, Timon Gehr wrote:
static foreach is part of the design. The only reason it is not in the compiler
(and we have the kludgy foreach that works on tuples) is because Walter
experienced implementation difficulties.
Before implementation somebody must precisely define static
On 9/5/11 13:31 EDT, Simen Kjaeraas wrote:
On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 13:05:23 +0200, bearophile
wrote:
Robert Jacques:
> Seconded. StaticIota is extremely useful for loop unrolling
optimizations, e.g.:
vote++
vote--
StaticIota is not the good solution. I have explained why elsewhere:
http://d.
On 09/05/2011 08:19 PM, kenji hara wrote:
2011/9/6 Simen Kjaeraas:
On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 13:05:23 +0200, bearophile
wrote:
Robert Jacques:
Seconded. StaticIota is extremely useful for loop unrolling
optimizations, e.g.:
vote++
vote--
StaticIota is not the good solution. I have explained
What kind of app? It would be cool if you would write a blog post
about your experience (if you have the free time & would like to do
that). :)
On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 19:49:43 +0200, Timon Gehr wrote:
On 09/05/2011 07:31 PM, Simen Kjaeraas wrote:
On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 13:05:23 +0200, bearophile
wrote:
Robert Jacques:
> Seconded. StaticIota is extremely useful for loop unrolling
optimizations, e.g.:
vote++
vote--
StaticIota is not
bearophile wrote:
> Robert Jacques:
>
>>> Seconded. StaticIota is extremely useful for loop unrolling optimizations,
>>> e.g.:
>>
>> vote++
>
> vote--
>
> StaticIota is not the good solution. I have explained why elsewhere:
> http://d.puremagic.com/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4085
>
> Bye,
> bea
Am 05.09.2011, 19:51 Uhr, schrieb Sean Kelly :
On Sep 3, 2011, at 9:06 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
On 8/30/11 8:59 PM, Paul D. Anderson wrote:
Can someone clarify for me the status and/or direction of string
formatting in D?
[snip]
I agree there are major inefficiencies and composability
I've been using a recent version of D2 along with gtkD and Code::Blocks to
redo a quite complicated Windows GUI program I wrote back in the mid 90s with
the changes I've though of since then, in an Ubuntu environment.
This combination has definitely made me highly productive. D is a joy to use,
an
Simen Kjaeraas:
> Yes, static foreach would be nice, but the means to do what it would do,
> are easily implemented in the language as is.
Notes:
- I am not asking for a real static foreach. The main point of bug 4085 is that
that even half static foreach is better than the current situation.
2011/9/6 Simen Kjaeraas :
> On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 13:05:23 +0200, bearophile
> wrote:
>
>> Robert Jacques:
>>
>>> > Seconded. StaticIota is extremely useful for loop unrolling
>>> > optimizations, e.g.:
>>>
>>> vote++
>>
>> vote--
>>
>> StaticIota is not the good solution. I have explained why else
On Sep 3, 2011, at 9:06 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
> On 8/30/11 8:59 PM, Paul D. Anderson wrote:
>> Can someone clarify for me the status and/or direction of string
>> formatting in D?
> [snip]
>
> I agree there are major inefficiencies and composability problems caused by a
> blind toString
On 09/05/2011 07:31 PM, Simen Kjaeraas wrote:
On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 13:05:23 +0200, bearophile
wrote:
Robert Jacques:
> Seconded. StaticIota is extremely useful for loop unrolling
optimizations, e.g.:
vote++
vote--
StaticIota is not the good solution. I have explained why elsewhere:
http:/
On Sep 3, 2011, at 2:41 AM, Christophe wrote:
1. provide an alias void delegate(const(char)[]) Sink; This should
be in std.conv; or std.format;, because nobody wants to add it to
every single module and if there is a standard way to handle it, no
maintenance programmer will
On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 13:05:23 +0200, bearophile
wrote:
Robert Jacques:
> Seconded. StaticIota is extremely useful for loop unrolling
optimizations, e.g.:
vote++
vote--
StaticIota is not the good solution. I have explained why elsewhere:
http://d.puremagic.com/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=40
On 05/09/2011 14:44, Mirko Pilger wrote:
anyone has any other good API design resources to share.
http://www.amazon.com/API-Design-C-Martin-Reddy/dp/0123850037
At first I worried that this would be too C++ specific, but from what I
have seen in the example pages the opening chapters at least
On 2011-09-05 15:09, Alix Pexton wrote:
On 05/09/2011 13:11, Jacob Carlborg wrote:
Another good read is the book "Clean Code":
http://www.amazon.com/Clean-Code-Handbook-Software-Craftsmanship/dp/0132350882
Thanks for the recommendation! Looks like an interesting read, but my
cursory glance
On 2011-09-05 15:09, Alix Pexton wrote:
On 05/09/2011 13:11, Jacob Carlborg wrote:
Another good read is the book "Clean Code":
http://www.amazon.com/Clean-Code-Handbook-Software-Craftsmanship/dp/0132350882
Thanks for the recommendation! Looks like an interesting read, but my
cursory glance
On 09/05/2011 03:29 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
On 9/5/11 8:38 AM, Timon Gehr wrote:
On 09/04/2011 05:46 AM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
On 9/3/11 4:40 PM, Timon Gehr wrote:
On 09/03/2011 07:21 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
On 9/3/11 5:41 AM, Christophe wrote:
1. provide an alias void del
On 09/05/2011 03:33 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
On 9/5/11 12:22 AM, Walter Bright wrote:
On 9/4/2011 7:34 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
On 9/4/11 22:20 EDT, kenji hara wrote:
2011/9/4 Andrei Alexandrescu:
There are suggestions to add this method to Object:
void writeTo(void delegate(cons
anyone has any other good API design resources to share.
http://www.amazon.com/API-Design-C-Martin-Reddy/dp/0123850037
On 9/5/11 12:22 AM, Walter Bright wrote:
On 9/4/2011 7:34 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
On 9/4/11 22:20 EDT, kenji hara wrote:
2011/9/4 Andrei Alexandrescu:
There are suggestions to add this method to Object:
void writeTo(void delegate(const(char)[]) sink, string format = null);
I think co
On 9/5/11 8:38 AM, Timon Gehr wrote:
On 09/04/2011 05:46 AM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
On 9/3/11 4:40 PM, Timon Gehr wrote:
On 09/03/2011 07:21 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
On 9/3/11 5:41 AM, Christophe wrote:
1. provide an alias void delegate(const(char)[]) Sink; This should
be in std.con
On 05/09/2011 13:11, Jacob Carlborg wrote:
Another good read is the book "Clean Code":
http://www.amazon.com/Clean-Code-Handbook-Software-Craftsmanship/dp/0132350882
Thanks for the recommendation! Looks like an interesting read, but my
cursory glance through the index on Amazon didn't aligh
On 09/04/2011 05:46 AM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
On 9/3/11 4:40 PM, Timon Gehr wrote:
On 09/03/2011 07:21 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
On 9/3/11 5:41 AM, Christophe wrote:
1. provide an alias void delegate(const(char)[]) Sink; This should
be in std.conv; or std.format;, because nobody want
On 2011-09-05 11:55, Alix Pexton wrote:
I had a quick look through the archives to see if anything about this
talk by Joshua Bloch had been posted before, but couldn't find any
references. Here are the slides...
http://lcsd05.cs.tamu.edu/slides/keynote.pdf
I think I remember seeing a (poor qual
Andrei Alexandrescu Wrote:
> http://erdani.com/d/new-stdio/phobos-prerelease/std_stdio.html
Ddoc screwed the types, right?
Robert Jacques:
> > Seconded. StaticIota is extremely useful for loop unrolling optimizations,
> > e.g.:
>
> vote++
vote--
StaticIota is not the good solution. I have explained why elsewhere:
http://d.puremagic.com/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4085
Bye,
bearophile
I had a quick look through the archives to see if anything about this
talk by Joshua Bloch had been posted before, but couldn't find any
references. Here are the slides...
http://lcsd05.cs.tamu.edu/slides/keynote.pdf
I think I remember seeing a (poor quality) video of the presentation too.
I'
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