Re: [OT] destroy all software (was Programming language WATs)

2012-01-21 Thread Paulo Pinto
Am 21.01.2012 04:48, schrieb Adam D. Ruppe: On Saturday, 21 January 2012 at 03:43:50 UTC, Caligo wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpZtX32sKVE Oh my, don't get me started on college! I'm so happy I dropped out of that waste. I guess this is a specific USA issue. In Europe you will

Re: [OT] destroy all software (was Programming language WATs)

2012-01-21 Thread Adam D. Ruppe
On Saturday, 21 January 2012 at 18:14:42 UTC, Paulo Pinto wrote: In Europe you will hardly get a programming job as developer if you don't have a degree in Computer Science, Electronic, Physics or Mathematic applied to computation, just to name a few of the common degrees. A lot of Americans

Re: [OT] destroy all software (was Programming language WATs)

2012-01-21 Thread Jonathan M Davis
On Saturday, January 21, 2012 19:14:41 Paulo Pinto wrote: Am 21.01.2012 04:48, schrieb Adam D. Ruppe: On Saturday, 21 January 2012 at 03:43:50 UTC, Caligo wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpZtX32sKVE Oh my, don't get me started on college! I'm so happy I dropped out of that

Re: [OT] destroy all software (was Programming language WATs)

2012-01-21 Thread Nick Sabalausky
Jonathan M Davis jmdavisp...@gmx.com wrote in message news:mailman.661.1327176314.16222.digitalmar...@puremagic.com... On Saturday, January 21, 2012 19:14:41 Paulo Pinto wrote: Am 21.01.2012 04:48, schrieb Adam D. Ruppe: On Saturday, 21 January 2012 at 03:43:50 UTC, Caligo wrote:

Re: [OT] destroy all software (was Programming language WATs)

2012-01-21 Thread Chad J
On 01/20/2012 10:48 PM, Adam D. Ruppe wrote: On Saturday, 21 January 2012 at 03:43:50 UTC, Caligo wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpZtX32sKVE Oh my, don't get me started on college! I'm so happy I dropped out of that waste. Yeah, I like the qualifications that Paulo and Jonathan add

Re: [OT] destroy all software (was Programming language WATs)

2012-01-21 Thread Andrei Alexandrescu
On 1/21/12 3:56 PM, Chad J wrote: I don't think American colleges teach Computer Science/Engineering very well at all. Wonder why. USA does have the best programmers in the world though. Andrei

Re: [OT] destroy all software (was Programming language WATs)

2012-01-21 Thread Nick Sabalausky
Chad J chadjoan@__spam.is.bad__gmail.com wrote in message news:jffcaj$2bug$1...@digitalmars.com... I don't think American colleges teach Computer Science/Engineering very well at all. My physics degree was an Engineering Physics degree and thus had an engineering emphasis which I filled

Re: [OT] destroy all software (was Programming language WATs)

2012-01-21 Thread Nick Sabalausky
Andrei Alexandrescu seewebsiteforem...@erdani.org wrote in message news:jffd0g$2d0u$1...@digitalmars.com... On 1/21/12 3:56 PM, Chad J wrote: I don't think American colleges teach Computer Science/Engineering very well at all. Wonder why. USA does have the best programmers in the world

Re: [OT] destroy all software (was Programming language WATs)

2012-01-21 Thread Chad J
On 01/21/2012 05:08 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: On 1/21/12 3:56 PM, Chad J wrote: I don't think American colleges teach Computer Science/Engineering very well at all. Wonder why. USA does have the best programmers in the world though. Andrei Sorry I have no numbers to back this up, but

Re: [OT] destroy all software (was Programming language WATs)

2012-01-21 Thread Chad J
On 01/21/2012 05:13 PM, Nick Sabalausky wrote: Chad Jchadjoan@__spam.is.bad__gmail.com wrote in message news:jffcaj$2bug$1...@digitalmars.com... So college wasn't all that bad to me. They still need to change the funding model here in the states though. That shit is broken as fuck. What

Re: [OT] destroy all software (was Programming language WATs)

2012-01-21 Thread Peter Alexander
On 21/01/12 10:08 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: On 1/21/12 3:56 PM, Chad J wrote: I don't think American colleges teach Computer Science/Engineering very well at all. Wonder why. USA does have the best programmers in the world though. Depends on what you mean by the best. Most successful,

Re: [OT] destroy all software (was Programming language WATs)

2012-01-21 Thread Adam D. Ruppe
On Saturday, 21 January 2012 at 21:56:35 UTC, Chad J wrote: I also took a Physics degree instead of a CS degree. That's what I did for my first go. I actually went to college twice: one year right after high school, doing physics (at SUNY Oswego), then wanted to go home, but a couple years

Re: [OT] destroy all software (was Programming language WATs)

2012-01-21 Thread Era Scarecrow
So college wasn't all that bad to me. They still need to change the funding model here in the states though.  That shit is broken as fuck. For some people, namely those that are talented and have good self-motivation, it may very well be worth their while to skip that mess.  Probably

Re: [OT] destroy all software (was Programming language WATs)

2012-01-21 Thread Chad J
On 01/21/2012 06:35 PM, Era Scarecrow wrote: So college wasn't all that bad to me. They still need to change the funding model here in the states though. That shit is broken as fuck. For some people, namely those that are talented and have good self-motivation, it may very well be worth their

Re: [OT] destroy all software (was Programming language WATs)

2012-01-21 Thread Nick Sabalausky
Adam D. Ruppe destructiona...@gmail.com wrote in message news:mvloclloufauudewj...@dfeed.kimsufi.thecybershadow.net... First off, they required all the first year students to live on campus. WTF. And, of course, they required these exorbitant fees for all that too. At BGSU, they required

Re: [OT] destroy all software (was Programming language WATs)

2012-01-21 Thread Nick Sabalausky
Era Scarecrow rtcv...@yahoo.com wrote in message news:mailman.667.1327188939.16222.digitalmar...@puremagic.com... I have refused to go to college if I can't pay for it upfront and easily, which was impossible. Right now I have an option to go leaving me without a debt. There's courses I want to

Re: [OT] destroy all software (was Programming language WATs)

2012-01-21 Thread Adam D. Ruppe
On Sunday, 22 January 2012 at 01:17:21 UTC, Nick Sabalausky wrote: Adam D. Ruppe destructiona...@gmail.com wrote in message news:mvloclloufauudewj...@dfeed.kimsufi.thecybershadow.net... First off, they required all the first year students to live on campus. WTF. And, of course, they required

Re: [OT] destroy all software (was Programming language WATs)

2012-01-21 Thread Adam D. Ruppe
Oh crap, I did it again. Sorry for the useless post, I clicked in the wrong place and it ended up being the send button :( On Sunday, 22 January 2012 at 01:17:21 UTC, Nick Sabalausky wrote: And even in the dorms, you still get the middle-of-the-night fire alarms anyway (speaking of drunks).

Re: [OT] destroy all software (was Programming language WATs)

2012-01-21 Thread Jonathan M Davis
On Saturday, January 21, 2012 16:27:05 Nick Sabalausky wrote: That reminds me: There's a *LOT* of people who told me If two equally good people apply for the same job, and one has a degree and other other doesn't, the one with the degree will get the job. They always seem to think that's

Re: [OT] destroy all software (was Programming language WATs)

2012-01-21 Thread Adam D. Ruppe
On Sunday, 22 January 2012 at 02:12:25 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote: The main problem is getting past HR. All the jobs I've had (so observation bias here) have been because I knew somebody or knew somebody who knew somebody. I find it's good business to stay on good terms with everyone I know,

Re: [OT] destroy all software (was Programming language WATs)

2012-01-21 Thread bearophile
Adam D. Ruppe: All the jobs I've had (so observation bias here) have been because I knew somebody or knew somebody who knew somebody. This is very often true outside academia (and often inside it too). But no one tells this (and several other basic things, that probably require about 1 hour

Re: [OT] destroy all software (was Programming language WATs)

2012-01-21 Thread Nick Sabalausky
Jonathan M Davis jmdavisp...@gmx.com wrote in message news:mailman.672.1327198345.16222.digitalmar...@puremagic.com... The main problem is getting past HR. Sure, if you could get into a real interview with real programmers, you could show that you know what you're talking about, but without a

Re: [OT] destroy all software (was Programming language WATs)

2012-01-21 Thread Jonathan M Davis
On Saturday, January 21, 2012 22:12:46 Nick Sabalausky wrote: Sorry...I couldn't help replying. :/ Don't mean to try to drag you into it. I don't mind you replying. I'm just trying to get across that I'm not really interested in going back and forth on it. I clearly disagree with you on the

Re: [OT] destroy all software (was Programming language WATs)

2012-01-21 Thread Nick Sabalausky
Adam D. Ruppe destructiona...@gmail.com wrote in message news:klssvtelbzdqkrfbu...@dfeed.kimsufi.thecybershadow.net... Oh crap, I did it again. Sorry for the useless post, I clicked in the wrong place and it ended up being the send button :( Don't you like having the Send Message Before I'm

Re: [OT] destroy all software (was Programming language WATs)

2012-01-21 Thread Chad J
On 01/21/2012 07:01 PM, Chad J wrote: On 01/21/2012 06:35 PM, Era Scarecrow wrote: So college wasn't all that bad to me. They still need to change the funding model here in the states though. That shit is broken as fuck. For some people, namely those that are talented and have good

Re: [OT] destroy all software (was Programming language WATs)

2012-01-20 Thread Adam D. Ruppe
On Friday, 20 January 2012 at 15:40:44 UTC, Robert Clipsham wrote: https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/talks/wat Curious: anyone here checked out the author's screencasts? I found this video amusing so I looked at the others, but he wants money for it. Worth the ten bucks?

Re: [OT] destroy all software (was Programming language WATs)

2012-01-20 Thread Caligo
On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 9:28 PM, Adam D. Ruppe destructiona...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday, 20 January 2012 at 15:40:44 UTC, Robert Clipsham wrote: https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/talks/wat Curious: anyone here checked out the author's screencasts? I found this video amusing so I looked

Re: [OT] destroy all software (was Programming language WATs)

2012-01-20 Thread Adam D. Ruppe
On Saturday, 21 January 2012 at 03:43:50 UTC, Caligo wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpZtX32sKVE Oh my, don't get me started on college! I'm so happy I dropped out of that waste.

Re: [OT] destroy all software (was Programming language WATs)

2012-01-20 Thread Nick Sabalausky
Caligo iteronve...@gmail.com wrote in message news:mailman.643.1327117430.16222.digitalmar...@puremagic.com... You could watch this for free, but it's not amusing. I know, I just graduated. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpZtX32sKVE Just watched the first 3 minutes. Out of everything in

Re: [OT] destroy all software (was Programming language WATs)

2012-01-20 Thread Nick Sabalausky
Adam D. Ruppe destructiona...@gmail.com wrote in message news:rjmwboyrrzxbbsjka...@dfeed.kimsufi.thecybershadow.net... On Saturday, 21 January 2012 at 03:43:50 UTC, Caligo wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpZtX32sKVE Oh my, don't get me started on college! I'm so happy I dropped out of

Re: [OT] destroy all software (was Programming language WATs)

2012-01-20 Thread Adam D. Ruppe
On Saturday, 21 January 2012 at 04:20:16 UTC, Nick Sabalausky wrote: The college == good brainwashing MUST STOP, period Aye. What's incredible is I've hard these arguments on other websites, and a *lot* of people fight it. Alas, I'm watching this video still, and it gets way too political as

Re: [OT] destroy all software (was Programming language WATs)

2012-01-20 Thread F i L
On Saturday, 21 January 2012 at 04:20:16 UTC, Nick Sabalausky wrote: Adam D. Ruppe destructiona...@gmail.com wrote in message news:rjmwboyrrzxbbsjka...@dfeed.kimsufi.thecybershadow.net... On Saturday, 21 January 2012 at 03:43:50 UTC, Caligo wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpZtX32sKVE

Re: [OT] destroy all software (was Programming language WATs)

2012-01-20 Thread Nick Sabalausky
Adam D. Ruppe destructiona...@gmail.com wrote in message news:ykmzlppuwncgmvgzs...@dfeed.kimsufi.thecybershadow.net... On Saturday, 21 January 2012 at 04:20:16 UTC, Nick Sabalausky wrote: The college == good brainwashing MUST STOP, period Aye. What's incredible is I've hard these arguments on

Re: [OT] destroy all software (was Programming language WATs)

2012-01-20 Thread Nick Sabalausky
F i L witte2...@gmail.com wrote in message news:szaqbqghgbzolydww...@dfeed.kimsufi.thecybershadow.net... I never went to college and I feel no worse for wear for it. At 24, around an age I would be graduating, I'm glad I'm not looking at spending a quarter of my income on school loans. If