A coworker asked me where he could find a brief document of D's design
principles. This was after I'd mentioned the "no function hijacking" stance.
I think it would be a great idea if the up-and-coming
www.d-programming-language.org contained such a document.
Ideas for what it could contain?
On 17/09/2010 23:39, retard wrote:
Fri, 17 Sep 2010 14:33:30 -0700, Walter Bright wrote:
retard wrote:
FWIW, if you're picking up one of the most used languages out there,
their list won't differ that much:
Exactly. Much of that can be summed up as D being intended for
professional productio
On 21/10/2010 11:13 PM, Bruno Medeiros wrote:
On 17/09/2010 23:39, retard wrote:
Fri, 17 Sep 2010 14:33:30 -0700, Walter Bright wrote:
retard wrote:
FWIW, if you're picking up one of the most used languages out there,
their list won't differ that much:
Exactly. Much of that can be summed up
Thu, 21 Oct 2010 13:13:54 +0100, Bruno Medeiros wrote:
> On 17/09/2010 23:39, retard wrote:
>> Fri, 17 Sep 2010 14:33:30 -0700, Walter Bright wrote:
>>
>>> retard wrote:
FWIW, if you're picking up one of the most used languages out there,
their list won't differ that much:
>>>
>>> Exactl
On 22/10/2010 12:26 AM, retard wrote:
Thu, 21 Oct 2010 13:13:54 +0100, Bruno Medeiros wrote:
On 17/09/2010 23:39, retard wrote:
Fri, 17 Sep 2010 14:33:30 -0700, Walter Bright wrote:
retard wrote:
FWIW, if you're picking up one of the most used languages out there,
their list won't differ th
On 15/09/2010 18:58, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
A coworker asked me where he could find a brief document of D's design
principles. This was after I'd mentioned the "no function hijacking"
stance.
I think it would be a great idea if the up-and-coming
www.d-programming-language.org contained such
On 21/10/2010 14:28, Justin Johansson wrote:
On 21/10/2010 11:13 PM, Bruno Medeiros wrote:
On 17/09/2010 23:39, retard wrote:
Fri, 17 Sep 2010 14:33:30 -0700, Walter Bright wrote:
retard wrote:
FWIW, if you're picking up one of the most used languages out there,
their list won't differ that
Bruno Medeiros:
> Rather, the big benefit of the statement above would be to reduce
> certain wasteful discussions or comments that pop-up occasionally in
> which someone proposes some "Pythonesque" change that might benefit
> small programs but would be crap for medium/large ones.
I suggest t
On Thu, 21 Oct 2010 15:26:14 +0100, Bruno Medeiros
wrote:
* And as for what D programmers think of other languages, well, it
seems
I guess D view of C++ could be rendered as an alcoholic father while
D view of C++ would be a fashion victim son.
On 21/10/2010 18:07, bearophile wrote:
Bruno Medeiros:
Rather, the big benefit of the statement above would be to reduce
certain wasteful discussions or comments that pop-up occasionally in
which someone proposes some "Pythonesque" change that might benefit
small programs but would be crap for
Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
A coworker asked me where he could find a brief document of D's design
principles. This was after I'd mentioned the "no function hijacking"
stance.
I think it would be a great idea if the up-and-coming
www.d-programming-language.org contained such a document.
Simen kjaeraas:
> Easy things easy, difficult things possible.
>
> Safe before fast, but fast too.
>
> If it works in C, it works the same or not at all in D.
>
> Sugar is good for you, as is salt. In moderation.
>
> Too much power is not enough. (Where are my macros?!)
>
> Programmers are laz
bearophile wrote:
One of yours fixed:
- If it works in C, it works (almost) the same or not at all in D.
Mind giving examples to this one? I thought this was a big no-no.
--
Simen
== Quote from Andrei Alexandrescu (seewebsiteforem...@erdani.org)'s article
> A coworker asked me where he could find a brief document of D's design
> principles. This was after I'd mentioned the "no function hijacking" stance.
> I think it would be a great idea if the up-and-coming
> www.d-program
Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
A coworker asked me where he could find a brief document of D's design
principles. This was after I'd mentioned the "no function hijacking"
stance.
I think it would be a great idea if the up-and-coming
www.d-programming-language.org contained such a document.
Idea
One more:
If it runs, it may probably run at compile-time too.
Bye,
bearophile
Simen kjaeraas:
> Mind giving examples to this one? I thought this was a big no-no.
There are few silent differences, among them there are:
- usage of global floating point variables/arrays that in some C programs are
used without initialization, assuming they are set to zero.
- fixed-sized arra
Simen kjaeraas wrote:
bearophile wrote:
One of yours fixed:
- If it works in C, it works (almost) the same or not at all in D.
Mind giving examples to this one? I thought this was a big no-no.
I'm curious what bearophile is referring to, too. We've worked hard to ensure
that C code either
"Andrei Alexandrescu" wrote in message
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>A coworker asked me where he could find a brief document of D's design
>principles. This was after I'd mentioned the "no function hijacking"
>stance.
>
> I think it would be a great idea if the up-and-coming
> www.d-
bearophile wrote:
Simen kjaeraas:
Mind giving examples to this one? I thought this was a big no-no.
There are few silent differences, among them there are:
- usage of global floating point variables/arrays that in some C
programs are used without initialization, assuming they are set to z
On Wed, 15 Sep 2010 23:36:48 +0400, Walter Bright
wrote:
Simen kjaeraas wrote:
bearophile wrote:
One of yours fixed:
- If it works in C, it works (almost) the same or not at all in D.
Mind giving examples to this one? I thought this was a big no-no.
I'm curious what bearophile is refe
Nick Sabalausky Wrote:
> - Make the "right" thing easy and the "wrong" thing hard.
I believe that is "The easy way is the safe and correct way."
On Wed, 15 Sep 2010 22:19:26 +0200, Simen kjaeraas wrote:
> bearophile wrote:
>
>> Simen kjaeraas:
>>
>>> Mind giving examples to this one? I thought this was a big no-no.
>>
>> There are few silent differences, among them there are: - usage of
>> global floating point variables/arrays that in s
Simen kjaeraas:
> The former could be seen as bad style,
I think this is the relevant passage from the C Standard:
Objects with static storage duration (3.7.1) shall be zero-initialized
(8.5) before any other initialization takes place. Zero-initialization and
initialization with a constan
Lars T. Kyllingstad:
> This can be amended by requiring that fixed-size array parameters to
> extern(C) functions be marked as 'ref'.
>
> See also:
> http://d.puremagic.com/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3604
Sometimes I translate some C code to D, in this case I have to watch for all
the arrays, and u
On 09/15/2010 01:58 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
I know we discussed this once in the past, but couldn't find the
discussion.
Yeah, like 3 months ago:
http://www.digitalmars.com/d/archives/digitalmars/D/The_design_principles_of_D_aka_The_D_Manifesto_111570.html
On Wednesday, September 15, 2010 10:58:49 Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
> A coworker asked me where he could find a brief document of D's design
> principles. This was after I'd mentioned the "no function hijacking"
> stance.
>
> I think it would be a great idea if the up-and-coming
> www.d-programmi
Denis Koroskin wrote:
On Wed, 15 Sep 2010 23:36:48 +0400, Walter Bright
wrote:
Simen kjaeraas wrote:
bearophile wrote:
One of yours fixed:
- If it works in C, it works (almost) the same or not at all in D.
Mind giving examples to this one? I thought this was a big no-no.
I'm curious w
On 16/09/2010 7:17 AM, Jeff Nowakowski wrote:
On 09/15/2010 01:58 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
I know we discussed this once in the past, but couldn't find the
discussion.
Yeah, like 3 months ago:
http://www.digitalmars.com/d/archives/digitalmars/D/The_design_principles_of_D_aka_The_D_Mani
Here's a draft of something I'd like to see. I like having the ten
commandments, with #0 not really counting. C&C welcome.
== The D Manifesto ==
0. Pragmatism is king.
1. Safe before all, fast before the rest.
2. High level where possible, low level where necessary.
3
On 16/09/2010 8:34 PM, Simen Kjaeraas wrote:
Here's a draft of something I'd like to see. I like having the ten
commandments, with #0 not really counting. C&C welcome.
== The D Manifesto ==
I'm really pleased that the word "Manifesto" is gradually making
its way int
On 09/16/2010 09:51 AM, Justin Johansson wrote:
I'm really pleased that the word "Manifesto" is gradually making
its way into this ng.
Not to be confused with The Third Manifesto, which describes the D
database language.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Third_Manifesto
http://en.wikipedia.o
On 16/09/2010 11:24 PM, Jeff Nowakowski wrote:
On 09/16/2010 09:51 AM, Justin Johansson wrote:
I'm really pleased that the word "Manifesto" is gradually making
its way into this ng.
Not to be confused with The Third Manifesto, which describes the D
database language.
http://en.wikipedia.org/
"Simen Kjaeraas" wrote in message
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>
> 15. We're consenting adults, not suicidal maniacs.
>
Heh, I love this one :)
On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 21:17, Nick Sabalausky wrote:
> "Simen Kjaeraas" wrote in message
> news:i6stke$o0...@digitalmars.com...
> >
> > 15. We're consenting adults, not suicidal maniacs.
> >
>
> Heh, I love this one :)
>
>
>
That's the 10 commandments in hexadecimal, from 0 to F :-)
That could
On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 15:54:26 +0200, Jeff Nowakowski
wrote:
On 09/16/2010 09:51 AM, Justin Johansson wrote:
I'm really pleased that the word "Manifesto" is gradually making
its way into this ng.
Not to be confused with The Third Manifesto, which describes the D
database language.
http:
Simen kjaeraas:
> So ours should be The Fourth Manifesto, then?
Mars Zen :-)
Bye,
bearophile
On 09/16/2010 07:04 AM, Simen Kjaeraas wrote:
Here's a draft of something I'd like to see. I like having the ten
commandments, with #0 not really counting. C&C welcome.
== The D Manifesto ==
0. Pragmatism is king.
1. Safe before all, fast before the rest.
2. High le
Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
A coworker asked me where he could find a brief document of D's design
principles. This was after I'd mentioned the "no function hijacking"
stance.
I think it would be a great idea if the up-and-coming
www.d-programming-language.org contained such a document.
I ag
On Friday 17 September 2010 00:02:36 Walter Bright wrote:
> Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
> > A coworker asked me where he could find a brief document of D's design
> > principles. This was after I'd mentioned the "no function hijacking"
> > stance.
> >
> > I think it would be a great idea if the up-
I would like such a manifesto to emphasize the following aspects that
together, make D unique IMO:
* Programs may be as high or as low level as the programmer chooses.
* No single style is imposed on the programmer.
* The memory can be managed automatically or manually.
On 16/09/2010 5:58 a.m., Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
A coworker asked me where he could find a brief document of D's design
principles. This was after I'd mentioned the "no function hijacking"
stance.
there is no one, true, only to be used, library. D supports diversity.
On 17/09/2010 6:48 PM, Nick B wrote:
On 16/09/2010 5:58 a.m., Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
A coworker asked me where he could find a brief document of D's design
principles. This was after I'd mentioned the "no function hijacking"
stance.
there is no one, true, only to be used, library. D suppo
Thu, 16 Sep 2010 21:38:24 -0400, sybrandy wrote:
> On 09/16/2010 07:04 AM, Simen Kjaeraas wrote:
>> Here's a draft of something I'd like to see. I like having the ten
>> commandments, with #0 not really counting. C&C welcome.
FWIW, if you're picking up one of the most used languages out there,
t
Fri, 17 Sep 2010 21:18:04 +1200, Nick B wrote:
> On 16/09/2010 5:58 a.m., Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
>> A coworker asked me where he could find a brief document of D's design
>> principles. This was after I'd mentioned the "no function hijacking"
>> stance.
>>
>>
> there is no one, true, only to b
On 17/09/2010 10:14 PM, retard wrote:
12. The tool does not pick you - you pick the tool.
D developer's IQ> 90 ?
15. We're consenting adults, not suicidal maniacs.
Some future directions for the newsgroup discussion?
I don't think you should have even dignified the OP's
post with a resp
On 2010-09-17 03:38, sybrandy wrote:
On 09/16/2010 07:04 AM, Simen Kjaeraas wrote:
Here's a draft of something I'd like to see. I like having the ten
commandments, with #0 not really counting. C&C welcome.
== The D Manifesto ==
0. Pragmatism is king.
1. Safe before all, fast before the rest.
> I would like such a manifesto to emphasize the following aspects that
> together, make D unique IMO:
>
> * Programs may be as high or as low level as the programmer chooses.
> * No single style is imposed on the programmer.
> * The memory can be managed automatically or manually.
Pragmatism not
retard Wrote:
> Thu, 16 Sep 2010 21:38:24 -0400, sybrandy wrote:
>
> > On 09/16/2010 07:04 AM, Simen Kjaeraas wrote:
> >> Here's a draft of something I'd like to see. I like having the ten
> >> commandments, with #0 not really counting. C&C welcome.
>
> FWIW, if you're picking up one of the most
On Fri, 2010-09-17 at 09:36 -0400, Gary Whatmore wrote:
[ . . . ]
I assume you are just trolling, but for the record . . .
> Haskell is just stupid. Their waisting they're time! It's brainwash
Haskell is far from stupid. You may not like it, but saying it is
stupid is in itself just stupid.
[
On 15/09/2010 19:58, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
A coworker asked me where he could find a brief document of D's design
principles.
to reduce it to the max.
The AnDrei design principles ;] no, just kidding.
Seriously
I wish we could use D2 for our dot net development tasks. Guess we could
sa
retard wrote:
FWIW, if you're picking up one of the most used languages out there,
their list won't differ that much:
Exactly. Much of that can be summed up as D being intended for professional
production use, rather than:
1. a teaching tool (Pascal)
2. a research project (Haskell)
3. being
Fri, 17 Sep 2010 14:33:30 -0700, Walter Bright wrote:
> retard wrote:
>> FWIW, if you're picking up one of the most used languages out there,
>> their list won't differ that much:
>
> Exactly. Much of that can be summed up as D being intended for
> professional production use, rather than:
>
> 1
On 18/09/2010 8:09 AM, retard wrote:
Fri, 17 Sep 2010 14:33:30 -0700, Walter Bright wrote:
retard wrote:
FWIW, if you're picking up one of the most used languages out there,
their list won't differ that much:
Exactly. Much of that can be summed up as D being intended for
professional product
On 18/09/2010 12:46 a.m., retard wrote:
Fri, 17 Sep 2010 21:18:04 +1200, Nick B wrote:
On 16/09/2010 5:58 a.m., Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
A coworker asked me where he could find a brief document of D's design
principles. This was after I'd mentioned the "no function hijacking"
stance.
ther
Concurrency is currently far from easy.
Perhaps, but with D providing a message-passing API, we're certainly on
our way to making it much easier. I tried Perl threading a few years
ago and settled on using fork for what I needed as it was much easier.
I later learned Erlang and went "Wow,
On 09/17/2010 05:33 PM, Walter Bright wrote:
retard wrote:
FWIW, if you're picking up one of the most used languages out there,
their list won't differ that much:
Exactly. Much of that can be summed up as D being intended for
professional production use, rather than:
1. a teaching tool (Pasca
On 18/09/2010 12:28 a.m., Justin Johansson wrote:
On 17/09/2010 6:48 PM, Nick B wrote:
On 16/09/2010 5:58 a.m., Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
A coworker asked me where he could find a brief document of D's design
principles. This was after I'd mentioned the "no function hijacking"
stance.
there
On Friday 17 September 2010 19:20:20 Nick B wrote:
> On 18/09/2010 12:28 a.m., Justin Johansson wrote:
> > On 17/09/2010 6:48 PM, Nick B wrote:
> >> On 16/09/2010 5:58 a.m., Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
> >>> A coworker asked me where he could find a brief document of D's design
> >>> principles. Thi
Fri, 17 Sep 2010 19:31:35 -0700, Jonathan M Davis wrote:
> On Friday 17 September 2010 19:20:20 Nick B wrote:
>> On 18/09/2010 12:28 a.m., Justin Johansson wrote:
>> > On 17/09/2010 6:48 PM, Nick B wrote:
>> >> On 16/09/2010 5:58 a.m., Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
>> >>> A coworker asked me where he
On Fri, 2010-09-17 at 14:33 -0700, Walter Bright wrote:
> retard wrote:
> > FWIW, if you're picking up one of the most used languages out there,
> > their list won't differ that much:
>
> Exactly. Much of that can be summed up as D being intended for professional
> production use, rather than:
>
Russel Winder wrote:
On Fri, 2010-09-17 at 14:33 -0700, Walter Bright wrote:
retard wrote:
FWIW, if you're picking up one of the most used languages out there,
their list won't differ that much:
Exactly. Much of that can be summed up as D being intended for professional
production use, rather
Sat, 18 Sep 2010 03:44:30 -0700, Walter Bright wrote:
> Russel Winder wrote:
>> On Fri, 2010-09-17 at 14:33 -0700, Walter Bright wrote:
>>> retard wrote:
FWIW, if you're picking up one of the most used languages out there,
their list won't differ that much:
>>> Exactly. Much of that can
Sat, 18 Sep 2010 03:44:30 -0700, Walter Bright wrote:
> I know nothing about Alice.
You SHOULD probably study the ML family of languages a bit more closely.
It feels like we're having a conversation with a dinosaur.
After all, in the functional programming world, ML languages are the
closest c
== Quote from retard (r...@tard.com.invalid)'s article
> >>> 2. a research project (Haskell)
> >>
> >> Haskell stopped being a research project many years ago, Haskell
> >> development now happens in companies (including Microsoft) as much as
> >> in universities and is about creating good examples
Sat, 18 Sep 2010 15:59:24 +, dsimcha wrote:
> == Quote from retard (r...@tard.com.invalid)'s article
>> >>> 2. a research project (Haskell)
>> >>
>> >> Haskell stopped being a research project many years ago, Haskell
>> >> development now happens in companies (including Microsoft) as much
>> >
retard wrote:
> Sat, 18 Sep 2010 03:44:30 -0700, Walter Bright wrote:
>
>> I know nothing about Alice.
>
> You SHOULD probably study the ML family of languages a bit more closely.
> It feels like we're having a conversation with a dinosaur.
>
> After all, in the functional programming world, ML
Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
> A coworker asked me where he could find a brief document of D's design
> principles. This was after I'd mentioned the "no function hijacking" stance.
>
> I think it would be a great idea if the up-and-coming
> www.d-programming-language.org contained such a document.
Sat, 18 Sep 2010 18:43:45 +0200, Lutger wrote:
> retard wrote:
>
>> Sat, 18 Sep 2010 03:44:30 -0700, Walter Bright wrote:
>>
>>> I know nothing about Alice.
>>
>> You SHOULD probably study the ML family of languages a bit more
>> closely. It feels like we're having a conversation with a dinosau
On 09/18/2010 12:31 PM, retard wrote:
Sat, 18 Sep 2010 18:43:45 +0200, Lutger wrote:
retard wrote:
Sat, 18 Sep 2010 03:44:30 -0700, Walter Bright wrote:
I know nothing about Alice.
You SHOULD probably study the ML family of languages a bit more
closely. It feels like we're having a conver
Walter Bright wrote:
C wasn't designed around a single paradigm, either, it
was intended as a general purpose language, and was specifically not
designed for any particular area of application (so says K&R).
One example of C not being a particular paradigm is that it included modern (for
the
retard wrote:
Yes, Pascal WAS a teaching language. However, probably there are no
colleges using it these days. Teachers have adopted more recent languages
during the last 20 years and it makes no sense to compare anything to
Pascal anymore.
I meant it as an example of a language that was des
retard wrote:
It feels like we're having a conversation with a dinosaur.
I apologize for all my numerous shortcomings!
Sat, 18 Sep 2010 11:45:51 -0700, Walter Bright wrote:
> retard wrote:
>> It feels like we're having a conversation with a dinosaur.
>
> I apologize for all my numerous shortcomings!
I'm sorry :-) But I still recommend writing couple of hundreds of lines
of code in some ML. It's a great experien
"retard" wrote in message
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> Sat, 18 Sep 2010 11:45:51 -0700, Walter Bright wrote:
>
>> retard wrote:
>>> It feels like we're having a conversation with a dinosaur.
>>
>> I apologize for all my numerous shortcomings!
>
> I'm sorry :-) But I still recommend wr
> If I'd write
> something significant commercial code in any functional language, I might
> choose F# or Haskell instead.
Have you ever written something significant ?
retard++ Wrote:
> > If I'd write
> > something significant commercial code in any functional language, I might
> > choose F# or Haskell instead.
>
> Have you ever written something significant ?
>
The douchebag has never done anything. Trolling here day and night. Doesn't
know anything about
On Saturday 18 September 2010 11:43:36 Walter Bright wrote:
> >> Basic is famous in that its charter specifically was for
> >> non-programmers. Cobol was designed for managers to be able to
> >> understand the code, not to write it (a slightly different aim).
> >
> > Both Basic and Cobol are dead
On Saturday 18 September 2010 08:59:24 dsimcha wrote:
> == Quote from retard (r...@tard.com.invalid)'s article
>
> > >>> 2. a research project (Haskell)
> > >>
> > >> Haskell stopped being a research project many years ago, Haskell
> > >> development now happens in companies (including Microsoft)
Walter Bright wrote:
True, but irrelevant to my point. I see that nobody understood my point
at all.
I'm sure I'm not the only with my palm glued to my face from the replies
you got.
--
Simen
Jonathan M Davis wrote:
On Saturday 18 September 2010 11:43:36 Walter Bright wrote:
Basic is famous in that its charter specifically was for
non-programmers. Cobol was designed for managers to be able to
understand the code, not to write it (a slightly different aim).
Both Basic and Cobol are d
Simen Kjaeraas wrote in news:i6stke$o0v$1
@digitalmars.com:
> Here's a draft of something I'd like to see. I like having the ten
> commandments, with #0 not really counting. C&C welcome.
>
> == The D Manifesto ==
>
Please don't call it a manifesto. A statement of des
JMRyan wrote:
Simen Kjaeraas wrote in news:i6stke$o0v$1
@digitalmars.com:
Here's a draft of something I'd like to see. I like having the ten
commandments, with #0 not really counting. C&C welcome.
== The D Manifesto ==
Please don't call it a manifesto. A statem
On Saturday 18 September 2010 23:47:09 Simen kjaeraas wrote:
> JMRyan wrote:
> > Simen Kjaeraas wrote in news:i6stke$o0v$1
> >
> > @digitalmars.com:
> >> Here's a draft of something I'd like to see. I like having the ten
> >> commandments, with #0 not really counting. C&C welcome.
> >>
> >>
On 19/09/2010 7:20 AM, retard++ wrote:
If I'd write
something significant commercial code in any functional language, I might
choose F# or Haskell instead.
Have you ever written something significant ?
Here's a significant challenge.
Try implementing the XPath 2.0 XDM data model in D and se
On 19/09/2010 2:59 AM, Lutger wrote:
To me some of the most distinguishing aspects of D are:
- scale to complex as well as small programs: unlike C# and Java but perhaps
like python
- focus on early binding: this quote from David Griers is fitting: "Never put
off until run time what you can do
On 19/09/2010 7:41 AM, retarded.clear() wrote:
retard++ Wrote:
If I'd write
something significant commercial code in any functional language, I might
choose F# or Haskell instead.
Have you ever written something significant ?
The douchebag has never done anything. Trolling here day and nigh
Justin Johansson wrote:
> On 19/09/2010 2:59 AM, Lutger wrote:
>> To me some of the most distinguishing aspects of D are:
>>
>> - scale to complex as well as small programs: unlike C# and Java but perhaps
>> like python
>>
>> - focus on early binding: this quote from David Griers is fitting: "Neve
On 19/09/2010 11:49 PM, Lutger wrote:
Justin Johansson wrote:
On 19/09/2010 2:59 AM, Lutger wrote:
To me some of the most distinguishing aspects of D are:
- scale to complex as well as small programs: unlike C# and Java but perhaps
like python
- focus on early binding: this quote from David
Justin Johansson Wrote:
> On 19/09/2010 11:49 PM, Lutger wrote:
> > Justin Johansson wrote:
> >
> >> On 19/09/2010 2:59 AM, Lutger wrote:
> >>> To me some of the most distinguishing aspects of D are:
> >>>
> >>> - scale to complex as well as small programs: unlike C# and Java but
> >>> perhaps
>
On 9/19/10 9:04 CDT, Justin Johansson wrote:
To be well read on the subject of OOP models I can recommend this link
to a well-articulated paper by Bertrand Meyer:
http://se.ethz.ch/~meyer/publications/computer/taxonomy.pdf
I don't consider that piece a recommendable read for contemporary OOP
Justin Johansson wrote:
Some of these features you mention are very worthwhile but I mean that
that D does not offer any better OOP system amongst its contemporary
rivals.
To be well read on the subject of OOP models I can recommend this link
to a well-articulated paper by Bertrand Meyer:
http:
One thing that seems to have been missed in this discussion: minimize (or
at least reduce from C++ levels) undefined behavior. That's the reason for
auto-initialized variables. It's not to provide aconvenience for those
times when the default values are what you want. It's so that failure to
JMRyan wrote:
One thing that seems to have been missed in this discussion: minimize (or
at least reduce from C++ levels) undefined behavior. That's the reason for
auto-initialized variables. It's not to provide aconvenience for those
times when the default values are what you want. It's so
> True, but irrelevant to my point. I see that nobody understood my point at
> all.
I am appalled at the way some people here seem unable to understand
basic sentences both in this thread and others (and it's not just a
question of not being native English speakers, I'm not either). I'm
s
On Sat, 18 Sep 2010 19:15:44 +, retard wrote:
> Sat, 18 Sep 2010 11:45:51 -0700, Walter Bright wrote:
>
>> retard wrote:
>>> It feels like we're having a conversation with a dinosaur.
>>
>> I apologize for all my numerous shortcomings!
>
> I'm sorry :-) But I still recommend writing couple
On Fri, 17 Sep 2010 15:08:07 +0200, Jacob Carlborg wrote:
> On 2010-09-17 03:38, sybrandy wrote:
>> On 09/16/2010 07:04 AM, Simen Kjaeraas wrote:
>>> Here's a draft of something I'd like to see. I like having the ten
>>> commandments, with #0 not really counting. C&C welcome.
>>>
>>> == The D Mani
On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 06:33:28 +, JMRyan wrote:
> Simen Kjaeraas wrote in news:i6stke$o0v$1
> @digitalmars.com:
>
>> Here's a draft of something I'd like to see. I like having the ten
>> commandments, with #0 not really counting. C&C welcome.
>>
>> == The D Manifesto
Jay Byrd Wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Sep 2010 19:15:44 +, retard wrote:
>
> > Sat, 18 Sep 2010 11:45:51 -0700, Walter Bright wrote:
> >
> >> retard wrote:
> >>> It feels like we're having a conversation with a dinosaur.
> >>
> >> I apologize for all my numerous shortcomings!
> >
> > I'm sorry :-)
On Sat, 18 Sep 2010 14:20:20 +1200, Nick B wrote:
> On 18/09/2010 12:28 a.m., Justin Johansson wrote:
>> On 17/09/2010 6:48 PM, Nick B wrote:
>>> On 16/09/2010 5:58 a.m., Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
A coworker asked me where he could find a brief document of D's
design principles. This wa
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