Re: About Andrei's interview, part 3 (on bearophile)

2010-10-07 Thread Bruno Medeiros
On 06/10/2010 22:47, Juanjo Alvarez wrote: On Wed, 06 Oct 2010 16:55:40 +0100, Bruno Medeiros brunodomedeiros+s...@com.gmail wrote: Reading newsgroups on phone would suck. I already get a bit uncomfortable reading them on my laptop (without a peripheral monitor or mouse). Not worse than

Re: About Andrei's interview, part 3 (on bearophile)

2010-10-07 Thread Juanjo Alvarez
Bruno Medeiros Wrote: On 06/10/2010 22:47, Juanjo Alvarez wrote: On Wed, 06 Oct 2010 16:55:40 +0100, Bruno Medeiros brunodomedeiros+s...@com.gmail wrote: Reading newsgroups on phone would suck. I already get a bit uncomfortable reading them on my laptop (without a peripheral monitor or

Re: About Andrei's interview, part 3 (on bearophile)

2010-10-06 Thread Bruno Medeiros
On 05/10/2010 16:58, Denis Koroskin wrote: On Tue, 05 Oct 2010 19:30:59 +0400, Bruno Medeiros brunodomedeiros+s...@com.gmail wrote: On 27/08/2010 03:01, Gareth Charnock wrote: On 26/08/10 07:57, Don wrote: Walter Bright wrote: bearophile wrote: This is why I don't like a lot the current

Re: About Andrei's interview, part 3 (on bearophile)

2010-10-06 Thread Bruno Medeiros
On 05/10/2010 20:53, Juanjo Alvarez wrote: On Tue, 05 Oct 2010 16:30:59 +0100, Bruno Medeiros brunodomedeiros+s...@com.gmail wrote: I don't know about the rest of people here in the NG, but actually I would hope bearophile would post much less often, especially when its I like to read his

Re: About Andrei's interview, part 3 (on bearophile)

2010-10-06 Thread Juanjo Alvarez
On Wed, 06 Oct 2010 16:55:40 +0100, Bruno Medeiros brunodomedeiros+s...@com.gmail wrote: Reading newsgroups on phone would suck. I already get a bit uncomfortable reading them on my laptop (without a peripheral monitor or mouse). Not worse than reading email on a phone,trough the experience

Re: About Andrei's interview, part 3

2010-10-05 Thread Bruno Medeiros
On 26/08/2010 02:25, bearophile wrote: Jonathan M Davis If D2's user base really increases like we'd like it to (and TDPL should help a lot with that), it's going to cost users a lot more when backwards compatability is broken. This is why I don't like a lot the current work done for the 64

Re: About Andrei's interview, part 3 (on bearophile)

2010-10-05 Thread Bruno Medeiros
On 27/08/2010 03:01, Gareth Charnock wrote: On 26/08/10 07:57, Don wrote: Walter Bright wrote: bearophile wrote: This is why I don't like a lot the current work done for the 64 bit implementation. A lot of groups cannot consider D unless it supports 64 bit compilation. D2 has some design

Re: About Andrei's interview, part 3 (on bearophile)

2010-10-05 Thread Denis Koroskin
On Tue, 05 Oct 2010 19:30:59 +0400, Bruno Medeiros brunodomedeiros+s...@com.gmail wrote: On 27/08/2010 03:01, Gareth Charnock wrote: On 26/08/10 07:57, Don wrote: Walter Bright wrote: bearophile wrote: This is why I don't like a lot the current work done for the 64 bit implementation. A

Re: About Andrei's interview, part 3 (on bearophile)

2010-10-05 Thread Simen kjaeraas
Bruno Medeiros brunodomedeiros+s...@com.gmail wrote: I don't know about the rest of people here in the NG, but actually I would hope bearophile would post much less often, especially when its him creating a new thread. And that's simply because he posts way too often, with lots of detail,

Re: About Andrei's interview, part 3 (on bearophile)

2010-10-05 Thread Juanjo Alvarez
On Tue, 05 Oct 2010 16:30:59 +0100, Bruno Medeiros brunodomedeiros+s...@com.gmail wrote: I don't know about the rest of people here in the NG, but actually I would hope bearophile would post much less often, especially when its I like to read his posts. If you used a NNTP reader on a

Re: Bug reports [Was: Re: About Andrei's interview, part 3]

2010-08-31 Thread Andrej Mitrovic
Wouldn't it be better if we had some kind of compile-time block statement instead of making separate compile-time keywords for every run-time keyword? For example, we could reuse static, and instead of code like this from std.range: private template MostDerivedInputRangeImpl(R) { private

Re: Bug reports [Was: Re: About Andrei's interview, part 3]

2010-08-29 Thread bearophile
Jonathan M Davis: Though seriously, given the large scope of bugs that he reports, I doubt that he knows enough to fix very many of them. Particularly if they're compiler bugs, it can take a lot of knowledge about exactly how dmd, druntime, and phobos work to be able to come up with

Re: Bug reports [Was: Re: About Andrei's interview, part 3]

2010-08-29 Thread Justin Johansson
On 29/08/10 11:57, Jonathan M Davis wrote: On Saturday 28 August 2010 19:06:42 Yao G. wrote: On Sat, 28 Aug 2010 20:59:02 -0500, bearophilebearophileh...@lycos.com wrote: Among the Bugzilla entries added by me, I suggest Don to focus his efforts on (and try to create patches for): 3971 3849

Re: Bug reports [Was: Re: About Andrei's interview, part 3]

2010-08-28 Thread bearophile
Among the Bugzilla entries added by me, I suggest Don to focus his efforts on (and try to create patches for): 3971 3849 3948 3856 3825 3878 3981 3990 3999 4053 4085 4216 4349 4375 4407 4475 4625 4511 4530 4580 4664 4668 4678 4703 4733 Entries in that list often don't contain normal bugs or

Re: Bug reports [Was: Re: About Andrei's interview, part 3]

2010-08-28 Thread Yao G.
On Sat, 28 Aug 2010 20:59:02 -0500, bearophile bearophileh...@lycos.com wrote: Among the Bugzilla entries added by me, I suggest Don to focus his efforts on (and try to create patches for): 3971 3849 3948 3856 3825 3878 3981 3990 3999 4053 4085 4216 4349 4375 4407 4475 4625 4511 4530 4580

Re: Bug reports [Was: Re: About Andrei's interview, part 3]

2010-08-28 Thread Jonathan M Davis
On Saturday 28 August 2010 19:06:42 Yao G. wrote: On Sat, 28 Aug 2010 20:59:02 -0500, bearophile bearophileh...@lycos.com wrote: Among the Bugzilla entries added by me, I suggest Don to focus his efforts on (and try to create patches for): 3971 3849 3948 3856 3825 3878 3981 3990 3999

Re: Bug reports [Was: Re: About Andrei's interview, part 3]

2010-08-28 Thread Yao G.
On Sat, 28 Aug 2010 21:27:27 -0500, Jonathan M Davis jmdavisp...@gmail.com wrote: He's too busy finding other bugs. ;) Though seriously, given the large scope of bugs that he reports, I doubt that he knows enough to fix very many of them. Particularly if they're compiler bugs, it can

Re: Bug reports [Was: Re: About Andrei's interview, part 3]

2010-08-28 Thread Jonathan M Davis
On Saturday 28 August 2010 19:44:36 Yao G. wrote: On Sat, 28 Aug 2010 21:27:27 -0500, Jonathan M Davis jmdavisp...@gmail.com wrote: He's too busy finding other bugs. ;) Though seriously, given the large scope of bugs that he reports, I doubt that he knows enough to fix very many of

Re: Bug reports [Was: Re: About Andrei's interview, part 3]

2010-08-27 Thread Jonathan M Davis
On Thursday, August 26, 2010 17:42:18 bearophile wrote: Walter Bright: I just hope you can be realistic about how much can be done about them in the short term. Most of of my bugzilla entries are normal bugs, suggestions for improved error messages and diagnostic, Phobos bugs, enhancement

Re: About Andrei's interview, part 3

2010-08-27 Thread Gareth Charnock
On 26/08/10 07:57, Don wrote: Walter Bright wrote: bearophile wrote: This is why I don't like a lot the current work done for the 64 bit implementation. A lot of groups cannot consider D unless it supports 64 bit compilation. D2 has some design problems (I don't call them 'enhancement

Re: About Andrei's interview, part 3

2010-08-26 Thread Don
Walter Bright wrote: bearophile wrote: This is why I don't like a lot the current work done for the 64 bit implementation. A lot of groups cannot consider D unless it supports 64 bit compilation. D2 has some design problems (I don't call them 'enhancement requests') that if you want to fix

Re: About Andrei's interview, part 3

2010-08-26 Thread Don
Walter Bright wrote: Justin Johansson wrote: A lot of people will be pleased to see 64-bit D. 64 bit has been pushed aside for around 7 years now in favor of more urgent matters. It's time to get it done. Also, I think it's critical to be certain there's nothing in the language which is

Re: About Andrei's interview, part 3

2010-08-26 Thread Daniel Gibson
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 8:59 AM, Don nos...@nospam.com wrote: Walter Bright wrote: Justin Johansson wrote: A lot of people will be pleased to see 64-bit D. 64 bit has been pushed aside for around 7 years now in favor of more urgent matters. It's time to get it done. Also, I think it's

Re: About Andrei's interview, part 3

2010-08-26 Thread bearophile
Daniel Gibson: I'd suggest to always write the length as a (u)long - or uint, char-arrays/strings that are bigger than 4GB are just insane, anyway. (Java uses short in a similar method, IIRC). A long suffices there, no need to use a cent. Bye, bearophile

Bug reports [Was: Re: About Andrei's interview, part 3]

2010-08-26 Thread bearophile
Walter Bright: I just hope you can be realistic about how much can be done about them in the short term. Most of of my bugzilla entries are normal bugs, suggestions for improved error messages and diagnostic, Phobos bugs, enhancement requests, _additive_ changes, etc, that don't require any D

About Andrei's interview, part 3

2010-08-25 Thread Ben White
... At the moment, Walter Bright's first priority is to finalize the 64-bit native compiler, after which he plans to focus on dynamic loading. At first I was like :D ... There's no incompatible D3 in the foreseeable future ... but then I bummed. ... Get this�I've seen beautiful PHP code...

Re: About Andrei's interview, part 3

2010-08-25 Thread Jonathan M Davis
On Wednesday, August 25, 2010 17:27:41 Ben White wrote: ... There's no incompatible D3 in the foreseeable future ... but then I bummed. We need D2 to completely and totally stable before we even consider anything like D3. If you don't properly stabilize what you have and let it mature, it's

Re: About Andrei's interview, part 3

2010-08-25 Thread bearophile
Jonathan M Davis If D2's user base really increases like we'd like it to (and TDPL should help a lot with that), it's going to cost users a lot more when backwards compatability is broken. This is why I don't like a lot the current work done for the 64 bit implementation. D2 has some

Re: About Andrei's interview, part 3

2010-08-25 Thread bearophile
Implementation matters come after design matters if you impose the constraint of keeping backwards compatibility. But I agree that 64 bits is a quite important implementation matter, while those things I did list were very little design matters :-) Bye, bearophile

Re: About Andrei's interview, part 3

2010-08-25 Thread Justin Johansson
On 26/08/10 10:55, bearophile wrote: Jonathan M Davis If D2's user base really increases like we'd like it to (and TDPL should help a lot with that), it's going to cost users a lot more when backwards compatability is broken. This is why I don't like a lot the current work done for the 64

Re: About Andrei's interview, part 3

2010-08-25 Thread bearophile
Justin Johansson: ++vote But this time I was a pretty idealistic person. So in the end I respect Walter decision, because he may have taken in account more practical considerations. Bye, bearophile

Re: About Andrei's interview, part 3

2010-08-25 Thread Daniel Gibson
Ben White schrieb: ... At the moment, Walter Bright's first priority is to finalize the 64-bit native compiler, after which he plans to focus on dynamic loading. At first I was like :D Yeah, that's great news - I started a new project about 6 weeks ago still in D1, because D2 lacks AMD64

Re: About Andrei's interview, part 3

2010-08-25 Thread Justin Johansson
On 26/08/10 11:26, bearophile wrote: Justin Johansson: ++vote But this time I was a pretty idealistic person. So in the end I respect Walter decision, because he may have taken in account more practical considerations. Bye, bearophile Yes, understand and obviously it's Walter's call. In

Re: About Andrei's interview, part 3

2010-08-25 Thread Andrei Alexandrescu
On 8/25/10 20:09 PDT, Daniel Gibson wrote: Ben White schrieb: ... At the moment, Walter Bright's first priority is to finalize the 64-bit native compiler, after which he plans to focus on dynamic loading. At first I was like :D Yeah, that's great news - I started a new project about 6

Re: About Andrei's interview, part 3

2010-08-25 Thread Walter Bright
bearophile wrote: This is why I don't like a lot the current work done for the 64 bit implementation. A lot of groups cannot consider D unless it supports 64 bit compilation. D2 has some design problems (I don't call them 'enhancement requests') that if you want to fix may require to break

Re: About Andrei's interview, part 3

2010-08-25 Thread Walter Bright
Justin Johansson wrote: A lot of people will be pleased to see 64-bit D. 64 bit has been pushed aside for around 7 years now in favor of more urgent matters. It's time to get it done.