Free Software needs Free Documentation

2011-03-24 Thread spir
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-doc.html I think this applies directly to D2. Note: this post is no offence to Andrei's great work. Just a report we /also/ need a free/copyleft D2 manual; or that TDPL's content becomes free in a short while. Even more since TDPL was kind of a

Free?

2011-10-22 Thread Steve Teale
I'd never seen it before - maybe I lead a sheltered life. GPL: "Free as in Herpes" Doesn't that just hit the nail on the head. Steve

Free?

2011-10-27 Thread Danni Coy
> > What about Qt, have any of those companies used it? Qt is dual licensed. You can go with a commercial license, support etc or you can go LGPL. You can still develop closed source software using LGPL provided your work doesn't modify the library and that you don't prevent end users from revers

Re: Free Software needs Free Documentation

2011-03-24 Thread Andrej Mitrovic
So write some documentation then. We don't need any more philosophical topics on what should/should not be done.

Re: Free Software needs Free Documentation

2011-03-24 Thread Don
spir wrote: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-doc.html I think this applies directly to D2. Note: this post is no offence to Andrei's great work. Just a report we /also/ need a free/copyleft D2 manual; or that TDPL's content becomes free in a short while. Even more since TDPL was

Re: Free Software needs Free Documentation

2011-03-24 Thread Daniel Gibson
Am 24.03.2011 16:22, schrieb Don: spir wrote: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-doc.html I think this applies directly to D2. Note: this post is no offence to Andrei's great work. Just a report we /also/ need a free/copyleft D2 manual; or that TDPL's content becomes free in a s

Re: Free Software needs Free Documentation

2011-03-24 Thread Vladimir Panteleev
On Thu, 24 Mar 2011 17:22:10 +0200, Don wrote: I would say that what we really need is tutorials, rather than a refernce work. Most urgently we need to make sure that the existing tutorials that contain errors or refer to obsolete/removed features, get pulled down. Something of interest:

Re: Free Software needs Free Documentation

2011-03-24 Thread spir
On 03/24/2011 04:58 PM, Daniel Gibson wrote: Am 24.03.2011 16:22, schrieb Don: spir wrote: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-doc.html I think this applies directly to D2. Note: this post is no offence to Andrei's great work. Just a report we /also/ need a free/copyleft D2 manual; or

Re: Free?

2011-10-22 Thread Russel Winder
On Sat, 2011-10-22 at 17:56 +, Steve Teale wrote: > I'd never seen it before - maybe I lead a sheltered life. > > GPL: "Free as in Herpes" > > Doesn't that just hit the nail on the head. Not in my view. I like the GPL a

Re: Free?

2011-10-22 Thread Steve Teale
>> >> GPL: "Free as in Herpes" >> >> Doesn't that just hit the nail on the head. > > > Not in my view. I like the GPL and especially the LGPL. But your leaning toward LGPL says something ;=)

Re: Free?

2011-10-22 Thread Mirko Pilger
GPL: "Free as in Herpes" personally i prefer bsd style licenses but the gpl has its right to exist. and while bsd ensures freedom for developers, the gpl is more targeted at users. it's a kind of politic statement and i understand the gnu project as an "user rights move

Re: Free?

2011-10-22 Thread Sean Kelly
rote: >> I'd never seen it before - maybe I lead a sheltered life. >> >> GPL: "Free as in Herpes" >> >> Doesn't that just hit the nail on the head. > > > Not in my view. I like the GPL and especially the LGPL. > > -- > R

Re: Free?

2011-10-22 Thread Andrej Mitrovic
On 10/22/11, Sean Kelly wrote: > I don't like either one, because having the letters "GPL" in a license name > is an automatic hands-off from legal in every company I've ever worked. What about Qt, have any of those companies used it?

Re: Free?

2011-10-22 Thread Nick Sabalausky
"Steve Teale" wrote in message news:j7v048$1ut1$1...@digitalmars.com... > I'd never seen it before - maybe I lead a sheltered life. > > GPL: "Free as in Herpes" > > Doesn't that just hit the nail on the head. > Hah! Classic :) Even ignoring the

Re: Free?

2011-10-22 Thread Adam D. Ruppe
It's the dual licensing thing I like about the GPL - you can be about the freedom, while still keeping a money making opportunity. I also like how it makes a stand on the freedom issue, a strong one. The BSD license is the one I loathe and despise. It puts an annoying restriction on you, without

Re: Free?

2011-10-22 Thread Sean Kelly
Dunno. I've never needed anything like it. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 22, 2011, at 12:44 PM, Andrej Mitrovic wrote: > On 10/22/11, Sean Kelly wrote: >> I don't like either one, because having the letters "GPL" in a license name >> is an automatic hands-off from legal in every company I've ev

Re: Free?

2011-10-22 Thread Nick Sabalausky
"Adam D. Ruppe" wrote in message news:j7vb86$2ljc$1...@digitalmars.com... > It's the dual licensing thing I like about the GPL - you can > be about the freedom, while still keeping a money making opportunity. > > I also like how it makes a stand on the freedom issue, a strong one. > > > The BSD l

Re: Free?

2011-10-22 Thread Jonathan M Davis
On Saturday, October 22, 2011 21:44:54 Andrej Mitrovic wrote: > On 10/22/11, Sean Kelly wrote: > > I don't like either one, because having the letters "GPL" in a license > > name is an automatic hands-off from legal in every company I've ever > > worked. > What about Qt, have any of those companie

Re: Free?

2011-10-22 Thread Adam D. Ruppe
Even the two clause BSD annoys me because of this: "Redistributions in binary form must reproduce the above copyright notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer in the documentation and/or other materials provided with the distribution." It strikes me as empty vanity.

Re: Free?

2011-10-22 Thread Sean Kelly
It's annoying as it means a pass through the documentation team for distributed software, but whatever. At least it's usable. Personally, my favorite is the Boost license, and I'm just about to the point where I don't even care about source code attribution for my own work. Sent from my iPhon

Re: Free?

2011-10-22 Thread Nick Sabalausky
"Adam D. Ruppe" wrote in message news:j7vdt1$2r48$1...@digitalmars.com... > Even the two clause BSD annoys me because of this: > > "Redistributions in binary form must reproduce the above copyright > notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer in the > documentation and/or other

Re: Free?

2011-10-22 Thread Chante
"Steve Teale" wrote in message news:j7v048$1ut1$1...@digitalmars.com... > I'd never seen it before - maybe I lead a sheltered life. > > GPL: "Free as in Herpes" > > Doesn't that just hit the nail on the head. Indeed, I have always thought of GPL&#x

Re: Free?

2011-10-23 Thread Russel Winder
On Sat, 2011-10-22 at 19:02 +, Steve Teale wrote: > >> > >> GPL: "Free as in Herpes" > >> > >> Doesn't that just hit the nail on the head. > > > > > > Not in my view. I like the GPL and especially the LGPL. >

Re: Free?

2011-10-23 Thread Russel Winder
On Sat, 2011-10-22 at 21:06 +0200, Mirko Pilger wrote: > > GPL: "Free as in Herpes" > > personally i prefer bsd style licenses but the gpl has its right to > exist. and while bsd ensures freedom for developers, the gpl is more > targeted at users. it's

Re: Free?

2011-10-23 Thread Russel Winder
On Sat, 2011-10-22 at 12:29 -0700, Sean Kelly wrote: > I don't like either one, because having the letters "GPL" in a license name > is an automatic hands-off from legal in every company I've ever worked. I think this may be right pragmatically, but is it simply that lawyers for these companies

Re: Free?

2011-10-23 Thread Jacob Carlborg
On 2011-10-22 21:44, Andrej Mitrovic wrote: On 10/22/11, Sean Kelly wrote: I don't like either one, because having the letters "GPL" in a license name is an automatic hands-off from legal in every company I've ever worked. What about Qt, have any of those companies used it? Qt is available

Re: Free?

2011-10-23 Thread Russel Winder
out any responsibility to "give back" in some way that the FOSS community finds constructive and supportive. > - Dual-licensing software under both GPL and paid-proprietary is feasable. > I've never been able to think of a way to do the same with something more > free like zl

Re: Free?

2011-10-23 Thread Don
On 23.10.2011 00:28, Sean Kelly wrote: It's annoying as it means a pass through the documentation team for distributed software, but whatever. At least it's usable. Personally, my favorite is the Boost license, and I'm just about to the point where I don't even care about source code attribut

Re: Free?

2011-10-23 Thread Steve Teale
>Personally, > my favorite is the Boost license, and I'm just about to >the point where > I don't even care about source code attribution for >my own work. > Sean, Agree with you 100%. Just put your name on the original. If they need it spelled out then maybe they'll be inclined to contribute

Re: Free?

2011-10-23 Thread Walter Bright
ows such use, and in no way are we Phobos contributors being conned. We're well aware of it and in fact that's one big reason why we chose Boost over GPL. People are free to take the Phobos source and do whatever they please with it, with our blessing. Hey, if Vanilla Ice "sam

Re: Free?

2011-10-23 Thread Walter Bright
On 10/23/2011 1:52 AM, Russel Winder wrote: Certainly: That the world of dynamic linking is slightly different from that of static linking. I think that line is arbitrary and doesn't really exist. For example, what does that mean when template code gets stuffed in the .h files?

Re: Free?

2011-10-23 Thread Russel Winder
On Sun, 2011-10-23 at 10:36 -0700, Walter Bright wrote: > On 10/23/2011 1:52 AM, Russel Winder wrote: > > Certainly: That the world of dynamic linking is slightly different from > > that of static linking. > > I think that line is arbitrary and doesn't really exist. For example, what > does > t

Re: Free?

2011-10-23 Thread Jose Armando Garcia
On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 4:11 AM, Russel Winder wrote: > It funny how when it comes to licences, viral is used as a derogatory > term, but when used in marketing, viral is a positive goal that everyone > wants to achieve. That is because you live in a capitalist economy. I don't find it funny at a

Re: Free?

2011-10-23 Thread Jonathan M Davis
On Sunday, October 23, 2011 11:06:26 Jose Armando Garcia wrote: > On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 4:11 AM, Russel Winder wrote: > > It funny how when it comes to licences, viral is used as a derogatory > > term, but when used in marketing, viral is a positive goal that everyone > > wants to achieve. > >

Re: Free?

2011-10-23 Thread Jonathan M Davis
On Sunday, October 23, 2011 14:26:34 Don wrote: > On 23.10.2011 00:28, Sean Kelly wrote: > > It's annoying as it means a pass through the documentation team for > > distributed software, but whatever. At least it's usable. Personally, > > my favorite is the Boost license, and I'm just about to the

Re: Free?

2011-10-23 Thread Jeff Nowakowski
On 10/22/2011 01:56 PM, Steve Teale wrote: I'd never seen it before - maybe I lead a sheltered life. GPL: "Free as in Herpes" Doesn't that just hit the nail on the head. No, it doesn't. It's pure flamebait. Nobody wants to get herpes and it serves n

Re: Free?

2011-10-23 Thread Walter Bright
On 10/23/2011 10:48 AM, Russel Winder wrote: Hasn't the issue of source code distribution (of templates) in C++ (and D?) been hashed out, it's what resulted in the Boost licence in the first place? Boost doesn't solve GPL issues if the code is GPL licensed :-) But we like Boost and use it for

Re: Free?

2011-10-23 Thread Chante
"Jonathan M Davis" wrote in message news:mailman.350.1319394157.24802.digitalmar...@puremagic.com... > On Sunday, October 23, 2011 11:06:26 Jose Armando Garcia wrote: >> On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 4:11 AM, Russel Winder >> wrote: >> > It funny how when it comes to licences, viral is used as a >>

Re: Free?

2011-10-23 Thread Nick Sabalausky
"Jeff Nowakowski" wrote in message news:j81rap$1f50$1...@digitalmars.com... > On 10/22/2011 01:56 PM, Steve Teale wrote: >> I'd never seen it before - maybe I lead a sheltered life. >> >> GPL: "Free as in Herpes" >> >> Doesn't th

Re: Free?

2011-10-23 Thread Chante
"Jeff Nowakowski" wrote in message news:j81rap$1f50$1...@digitalmars.com... > On 10/22/2011 01:56 PM, Steve Teale wrote: >> I'd never seen it before - maybe I lead a sheltered life. >> >> GPL: "Free as in Herpes" >> >> Doesn't th

Re: Free?

2011-10-23 Thread Nick Sabalausky
"Chante" wrote in message news:j81ur0$1oij$1...@digitalmars.com... > > "Jonathan M Davis" wrote in message > news:mailman.350.1319394157.24802.digitalmar...@puremagic.com... >> >> LOL. I don't think that it has anything to do with a capitalist anything. >> It's >> going purely by the definitio

Re: Free?

2011-10-23 Thread Daniel Gibson
Am 23.10.2011 22:59, schrieb Chante: > "Jeff Nowakowski" wrote in message > news:j81rap$1f50$1...@digitalmars.com... >> On 10/22/2011 01:56 PM, Steve Teale wrote: >>> I'd never seen it before - maybe I lead a sheltered life. >>> >>> GPL: &quo

Re: Free?

2011-10-23 Thread Chante
"Nick Sabalausky" wrote in message news:j81vad$1pl0$1...@digitalmars.com... > "Chante" wrote in message > news:j81ur0$1oij$1...@digitalmars.com... >> >> "Jonathan M Davis" wrote in message >> news:mailman.350.1319394157.24802.digitalmar...@puremagic.com... >>> >>> LOL. I don't think that it

Re: Free?

2011-10-23 Thread Chante
t;>>> I'd never seen it before - maybe I lead a sheltered life. >>>> >>>> GPL: "Free as in Herpes" >>>> >>>> Doesn't that just hit the nail on the head. >>> >>> No, it doesn't. It's pure flamebait. Nob

Re: Free?

2011-10-23 Thread Daniel Gibson
;>> On 10/22/2011 01:56 PM, Steve Teale wrote: >>>>> I'd never seen it before - maybe I lead a sheltered life. >>>>> >>>>> GPL: "Free as in Herpes" >>>>> >>>>> Doesn't that just hit the nail on t

Re: Free?

2011-10-23 Thread Walter Bright
On 10/23/2011 2:56 PM, Daniel Gibson wrote: But I'd be interested in the opinions of other people in this newsgroup who earn money with software development (or have done so in the past): Have you ever experienced exposure to GPL'ed or proprietary software as a hindrance for a job? In once sell

Re: Free?

2011-10-23 Thread Chante
quot;Jeff Nowakowski" wrote in message >>>> news:j81rap$1f50$1...@digitalmars.com... >>>>> On 10/22/2011 01:56 PM, Steve Teale wrote: >>>>>> I'd never seen it before - maybe I lead a sheltered life. >>>>>> >>>>>

Re: Free?

2011-10-23 Thread Don
On 23.10.2011 20:27, Jonathan M Davis wrote: On Sunday, October 23, 2011 14:26:34 Don wrote: On 23.10.2011 00:28, Sean Kelly wrote: It's annoying as it means a pass through the documentation team for distributed software, but whatever. At least it's usable. Personally, my favorite is the Boost

Re: Free?

2011-10-24 Thread renoX
>I'd�never�seen�it�before�-�maybe�I�lead�a�sheltered�life. > >GPL:�"Free�as�in�Herpes" > >Doesn't�that�just�hit�the�nail�on�the�head. No, not at all. First, it isn't new: it's just the "GPL is viral" classic FUD, then it's still incorrec

Re: Free?

2011-10-24 Thread Nick Sabalausky
"renoX" wrote in message news:j8383e$1ul8$1...@digitalmars.com... > >I'dneverseenitbefore-maybeIleadashelteredlife. >> >>GPL:"FreeasinHerpes" >> >>Doesn'tthatjusthitthenailonthehead. What happened to the spaces? > > No, not at all. > First, it isn't new: it's just the "GPL is viral" classic FUD

Re: Free?

2011-10-24 Thread Kagamin
Sean Kelly Wrote: > I don't like either one, because having the letters "GPL" in a license name > is an automatic hands-off from legal in every company I've ever worked. That's perfect. Corporations MUST pay.

Re: Free?

2011-10-24 Thread Kagamin
Nick Sabalausky Wrote: > Even ignoring the viral nature, the "hundred page wall of legalese" alone is > enough to make me very, very nervous about going anywhere near it (same goes > for creative commons). Not to mention the thousand different versions of > [L]GPL. GPL is very simple: stay ope

Re: Free?

2011-10-24 Thread Kagamin
Chante Wrote: > While I haven't thought it through (and maybe don't have the knowledge to > do so), elimination of software patents was something I had in mind as a > potential cure for the current state of affairs (not a cure for viral > source code though). Of course, noting that first-to-fil

Re: Free?

2011-10-24 Thread Steven Schveighoffer
ople we want to help :) The Boost license for Phobos allows such use, and in no way are we Phobos contributors being conned. We're well aware of it and in fact that's one big reason why we chose Boost over GPL. People are free to take the Phobos source and do whatever they please

Re: Free?

2011-10-24 Thread Kagamin
> You're afraid of others, but GPL can also protect *your* code. Most notably GPL protects the rights of your users. Are you thinking about your users?

Re: Free?

2011-10-24 Thread Steven Schveighoffer
a piece of software. There is a very good reason things like music, art, and written works are not patentable. Free speech is at odds with software patents. 4. Unlike a physical entity, it is very likely a simple individual, working on his own time with his own ideas, can create software t

Re: Free?

2011-10-24 Thread Sean Kelly
It's a noble goal, and I suspect the software industry is trending in this direction, but in the interim it's impeding progress. Though I'm sure some would say this is a worthwhile sacrifice for the potential benefit. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 24, 2011, at 5:41 AM, Kagamin wrote: > Nick Sa

Re: Free?

2011-10-24 Thread Sean Kelly
e of a patent (currently 17 years). > 3. It is a very slippery slope to go down. Software is a purely *abstract* > thing, it's not a machine. It can be produced en mass with near-zero cost. > It can be expressed via source code, which is *not* a piece of software. > There

Re: Free?

2011-10-24 Thread Jeff Nowakowski
On 10/24/2011 05:30 AM, Nick Sabalausky wrote: Meh, use of the term "FUD" itself has become a FUD tactic. And it's just an analogy (plus joke). Analogies are rarely perfect and they aren't meant to hold up to being picked apart by all the little details. It's close enough as an analogy. It's d

Re: Free?

2011-10-24 Thread Daniel Gibson
Am 24.10.2011 01:59, schrieb Walter Bright: > On 10/23/2011 2:56 PM, Daniel Gibson wrote: >> But I'd be interested in the opinions of other people in this newsgroup >> who earn money with software development (or have done so in the past): >> Have you ever experienced exposure to GPL'ed or propriet

Re: Free?

2011-10-24 Thread Daniel Gibson
Am 24.10.2011 02:35, schrieb Chante: > "Daniel Gibson" wrote in message > news:j822kv$7jf$2...@digitalmars.com... >> >> I've never read a job description that said "we want a programmer that >> has no job experience and has not touched GPL code either". > > While such a "concept" may be new to y

Re: Free?

2011-10-24 Thread Nick Sabalausky
"Kagamin" wrote in message news:j83tie$abu$1...@digitalmars.com... >> You're afraid of others, but GPL can also protect *your* code. > > Most notably GPL protects the rights of your users. Are you thinking about > your users? That's just backwards, GPL *limits* user rights. For instance, the ri

Re: Free?

2011-10-24 Thread Nick Sabalausky
"Jeff Nowakowski" wrote in message news:j84fli$1it5$1...@digitalmars.com... > On 10/24/2011 05:30 AM, Nick Sabalausky wrote: >> >> Meh, use of the term "FUD" itself has become a FUD tactic. And it's just >> an >> analogy (plus joke). Analogies are rarely perfect and they aren't meant >> to >> h

Re: Free?

2011-10-24 Thread Walter Bright
On 10/24/2011 1:02 PM, Daniel Gibson wrote: Ok, this kinda makes sense, but I guess that having been exposed to the GPL'ed version wouldn't have made the deal impossible, just harder? Right - not impossible, just harder. (Couldn't they just compare the code or something?) At the rates lawy

Re: Free?

2011-10-24 Thread Chante
"Kagamin" wrote in message news:j83tbq$a12$1...@digitalmars.com... > Chante Wrote: > >> While I haven't thought it through (and maybe don't have the knowledge >> to >> do so), elimination of software patents was something I had in mind as >> a >> potential cure for the current state of affairs

Re: Free?

2011-10-24 Thread Chante
"Nick Sabalausky" wrote in message news:j84kee$1vk5$1...@digitalmars.com... > "Kagamin" wrote in message > news:j83tie$abu$1...@digitalmars.com... >>> You're afraid of others, but GPL can also protect *your* code. >> >> Most notably GPL protects the rights of your users. Are you thinking >> a

Re: Free?

2011-10-24 Thread Chante
"Steven Schveighoffer" wrote in message news:op.v3u2chz6eav7ka@localhost.localdomain... > On Mon, 24 Oct 2011 10:39:54 -0400, Kagamin wrote: > >> Chante Wrote: >> >>> While I haven't thought it through (and maybe don't have the >>> knowledge to >>> do so), elimination of software patents was

Re: Free?

2011-10-24 Thread Chante
"Daniel Gibson" wrote in message news:j84ibc$1l0g$3...@digitalmars.com... > Am 24.10.2011 02:35, schrieb Chante: >> "Daniel Gibson" wrote in message >> news:j822kv$7jf$2...@digitalmars.com... >>> >>> I've never read a job description that said "we want a programmer >>> that >>> has no job expe

Re: Free?

2011-10-24 Thread Chante
"renoX" wrote in message news:j8383e$1ul8$1...@digitalmars.com... > >I'd never seen it before - maybe I lead a sheltered life. >> >>GPL: "Free as in Herpes" >> >>Doesn't that just hit the nail on the head. > > No, not at all. >

Re: Free?

2011-10-25 Thread Russel Winder
On Mon, 2011-10-24 at 22:51 -0500, Chante wrote: [ . . . ] > Simply keep it a secret ("trade secret"). First-to-file allows Big > Softare Corp to claim rights to things which they have no proprietary > right to. But I'm not read-up on this stuff, I'm just spouting feelings. > My feelings are tha

Re: Free?

2011-10-25 Thread renoX
> >>GPL:"Free as in Herpes" > >> > >>Doesn't that just hit the nail on the head. > > Incorrect analogies are really, really nasty stuff, please don't > > propagate this FUD. > > renoX > > > Meh, use of the term "FUD&

Re: Free?

2011-10-25 Thread renoX
> > First, it isn't new: it's just the "GPL is viral" classic FUD, > Not that I care about anything GPL (rejected it long ago), Your choice. > but how is calling GPL'd code "viral" not appropriate when just placing uninfected code next to it, infects it? Because *someone* joined the GPL code an

Re: Free?

2011-10-25 Thread Jeff Nowakowski
On 10/24/2011 05:24 PM, Nick Sabalausky wrote: So expressing disapproval about something, and the reason for the disapproval, is suddenly "deceitful propaganda and mudslinging"? Cut the bullshit, Nick. I explained already why "GPL: "Free as in Herpes" was flamebai

Re: Free?

2011-10-25 Thread Chante
"renoX" wrote in message news:j86eo6$6i8$1...@digitalmars.com... >> > First, it isn't new: it's just the "GPL is viral" classic FUD, >> Not that I care about anything GPL (rejected it long ago), > > Your choice. > >> but how is calling GPL'd code "viral" not appropriate when just > placing uninf

Re: Free?

2011-10-25 Thread Nick Sabalausky
ging"? > > Cut the bullshit, Nick. I explained already why "GPL: "Free as in > Herpes" was flamebait, deceitful, mudslinging propaganda. And I refute your explanation. That doesn't leave the discussion in a place where "flamebait, deceitful, mudslinging

Re: Free?

2011-10-25 Thread Kagamin
Steven Schveighoffer Wrote: > 1. Software is already well-covered by copyright. You can't write software out of thin air. Let's suppose ranges increase usability of a collections library. Can you write a collections library without knowing about ranges concept? That's what patents are for. > 3

Re: Free?

2011-10-25 Thread Chante
"Kagamin" wrote in message news:j87a5u$1sjv$1...@digitalmars.com... > there's no mercantile reason to restrict use of a patented technology > in a GPL3 software. Explain that statement please. Do you wish to retract it?

Re: Free?

2011-10-25 Thread Jeff Nowakowski
On 10/25/2011 04:48 PM, Nick Sabalausky wrote: It was indeed truthful. And as far as reasoning: The GPL propogates itself through what it touches. That's what's considered "viral", period. Yes, it has *some* viral aspects. That doesn't mean "Free as in Herpe

Re: Free?

2011-10-25 Thread Kagamin
> your users? > > That's just backwards, GPL *limits* user rights. For instance, the right to > license my software however I damn well choose. Licenses like boost exist to allow corporations to make money on free code while restricting users. Of course GPL prohibits this.

Re: Free?

2011-10-25 Thread Kagamin
Chante Wrote: > > there's no mercantile reason to restrict use of a patented technology > > in a GPL3 software. > > Explain that statement please. Do you wish to retract it? GPL software cannot be sold for profit, so even if the author would be charged a fee 1% per sold copy the patent holder

Re: Free?

2011-10-25 Thread Nick Sabalausky
>> > >> > Most notably GPL protects the rights of your users. Are you thinking >> > about >> > your users? >> >> That's just backwards, GPL *limits* user rights. For instance, the right >> to >> license my software however I damn we

Re: Free?

2011-10-25 Thread Brad Anderson
On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 10:22 PM, Kagamin wrote: > Chante Wrote: > > > > there's no mercantile reason to restrict use of a patented technology > > > in a GPL3 software. > > > > Explain that statement please. Do you wish to retract it? > > GPL software cannot be sold for profit, so even if the aut

Re: Free?

2011-10-25 Thread Nick Sabalausky
"viral", >> period. > > Yes, it has *some* viral aspects. That doesn't mean "Free as in Herpes" > isn't deceitful mudslinging. > >> All these rediculous nitpicks about "useful purpose" and "voluntary >> acts" are absolutely

Re: Free?

2011-10-25 Thread Kagamin
Nick Sabalausky Wrote: > > Licenses like boost exist to allow corporations to make money on free code > > while restricting users. Of course GPL prohibits this. > > It's free code. The whole point is to let people go ahead and use it. Anyone can use GPL, it has no problem with it.

Re: Free?

2011-10-25 Thread Kagamin
Brad Anderson Wrote: > > GPL software cannot be sold for profit, so even if the author would be > > charged a fee 1% per sold copy the patent holder will get 0 anyway. > > > > Where'd you get that silly notion? It's libre, not gratis. > > [1] http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#DoesTheGPLA

Re: Free?

2011-10-25 Thread Nick Sabalausky
>> > > in a GPL3 software. >> > >> > Explain that statement please. Do you wish to retract it? >> >> GPL software cannot be sold for profit, so even if the author would be >> charged a fee 1% per sold copy the patent holder will get 0 anyway. >

Re: Free?

2011-10-25 Thread Nick Sabalausky
"Kagamin" wrote in message news:j884ui$cra$1...@digitalmars.com... > Nick Sabalausky Wrote: > >> > Licenses like boost exist to allow corporations to make money on free >> > code >> > while restricting users. Of course GPL prohibits this. >> &g

Re: Free?

2011-10-25 Thread Chante
I'm not getting the point on this, so I have to ask again what you mean and this time I will do it by analysis (breaking it into pieces) and you can then see what I'm not getting and hence tell me. (I read the follow-up posts but I still don't get it). It could very well be that my mind right n

Re: Free?

2011-10-26 Thread Russel Winder
On Wed, 2011-10-26 at 01:32 -0400, Nick Sabalausky wrote: [ . . . ] > I think you misunderstood my point. What I was trying to say is: If > someone's going to worry about others profiting from their free code, why'd > they even make it free in the first place? I have no pro

Re: Free?

2011-10-26 Thread Kagamin
Nick Sabalausky Wrote: > There's already lots of > zlib/MIT/etc software authors out there, how many of them have gotten ripped > off from money that would have otherwise ended up in their pocket? Oracle sells zlib database compression for $11500 per processor.

Re: Free?

2011-10-26 Thread Kagamin
Nick Sabalausky Wrote: > I think you misunderstood my point. What I was trying to say is: If > someone's going to worry about others profiting from their free code, why'd > they even make it free in the first place? Maybe they're commies. Ask Stallman.

Re: Free?

2011-10-26 Thread Don
On 23.10.2011 22:59, Chante wrote: "Jeff Nowakowski" wrote in message news:j81rap$1f50$1...@digitalmars.com... On 10/22/2011 01:56 PM, Steve Teale wrote: I'd never seen it before - maybe I lead a sheltered life. GPL: "Free as in Herpes" Doesn't that just hit

Re: Free?

2011-10-26 Thread Timon Gehr
On 10/26/2011 07:32 AM, Nick Sabalausky wrote: "Kagamin" wrote in message news:j884ui$cra$1...@digitalmars.com... Nick Sabalausky Wrote: Licenses like boost exist to allow corporations to make money on free code while restricting users. Of course GPL prohibits this. It's

Re: Free?

2011-10-26 Thread Steven Schveighoffer
On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 03:09:48 -0400, Russel Winder wrote: On Wed, 2011-10-26 at 01:32 -0400, Nick Sabalausky wrote: [ . . . ] I think you misunderstood my point. What I was trying to say is: If someone's going to worry about others profiting from their free code, why'd they ev

Re: Free?

2011-10-26 Thread Steven Schveighoffer
On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 00:04:18 -0400, Chante wrote: "Steven Schveighoffer" wrote in message news:op.v3u2chz6eav7ka@localhost.localdomain... On Mon, 24 Oct 2011 10:39:54 -0400, Kagamin wrote: Chante Wrote: While I haven't thought it through (and maybe don't have the knowledge to do so),

Re: Free?

2011-10-26 Thread Kagamin
Steven Schveighoffer Wrote: > So you're saying the code you write as FOSS should cost something (i.e. > you want something in return)? Interesting... It's just two paradigms: if you choose freedom, GPL ensures and protects the freedom. You can also provide your efforts to corporations - why n

Re: Free?

2011-10-26 Thread Steven Schveighoffer
On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 17:37:02 -0400, Kagamin wrote: Steven Schveighoffer Wrote: 1. Software is already well-covered by copyright. You can't write software out of thin air. Let's suppose ranges increase usability of a collections library. Can you write a collections library without knowin

Re: Free?

2011-10-26 Thread Steven Schveighoffer
On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 09:38:31 -0400, Kagamin wrote: Steven Schveighoffer Wrote: So you're saying the code you write as FOSS should cost something (i.e. you want something in return)? Interesting... It's just two paradigms: if you choose freedom, GPL ensures and protects the freedom. You c

Re: Free?

2011-10-26 Thread Jeff Nowakowski
On 10/26/2011 12:51 AM, Nick Sabalausky wrote: "Jeff Nowakowski" wrote in message Nitpicking? Are you serious? GPL has provided immense benefits and has been voluntarily adopted around the world, So have the non-viral free licenses. And if I said they were "Free as in

Re: Free?

2011-10-26 Thread Kagamin
tent application, corporations sell quality tools - everyone benefit. MPEG LA (patent holder) said end users won't be charged for viewing H264 video and they allow patent application without fees by free GPL-licensed x264 encoder and free LGPL-licensed libavcodec decoder - opensource bene

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