On Tue, 2011-12-20 at 02:41 -0500, Paulo Pinto wrote:
[...]
I think that it is more important that developers learn proper data
structures and algorithms together with computer architecture than
just Assembly, specially if you are dealing with heterogeneous
computing as it is becoming standard
On Tue, 2011-12-20 at 23:13 -0800, Isaac Gouy wrote:
From: Russel Winder rus...@russel.org.uk
[...]
Actually I am surprised that Java does so well in this comparison due
to its start-up time issues.
Perhaps the start-up time issues are less than you suppose.
Very possibly the case, I
From: Russel Winder rus...@russel.org.uk
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 1:43 AM
Subject: Re: Java Scala
Your Groovy rewrite effort didn't contribute a single
program in 6 months !
In the interim Groovy had been ejected so there was no point.
That is not true - Groovy had
On Tue, 2011-12-20 at 10:31 -0800, Isaac Gouy wrote:
[...]
Your words are clear - ... designed to show
Your false accusation is about purpose and intention - you should take back
that accusation.
As you have interpreted it, that is true. I take back the accusation
you have observed,
On Wed, 2011-12-21 at 08:05 -0800, Isaac Gouy wrote:
[...]
That is not true - Groovy had not been ejected.
Your 6 month failure to contribute a single program was a strong reason
measurements were not made for Groovy programs on the new hardware following
September 2009.
The lack of
On Tue, 2011-12-20 at 06:45 -0600, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
[...]
I was also in the academia, doing PL research no less. The academic
interest was not of commercial nature for the most part - Java _is_ a
clean language great for doing research of both kinds: (a) research that
studies
On Sun, 2011-12-18 at 03:57 -0600, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
[...]
It's quite amazing how many discussions a la Java is successful
because... completely neglect an essential point: one BILLION dollars
was poured into Java, a significant fraction of which was put in
branding, marketing, and
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 2:09 AM, Russel Winder rus...@russel.org.uk wrote:
Musicians are coming up with new ways of funding things that is working
very well. Pre-sales. Put out the road-map and business plan for an
album or concert. Take bookings and money before committing to
anything,
On 12/19/2011 11:41 PM, Paulo Pinto wrote:
I think that it is more important that developers learn proper data
structures and algorithms together with computer architecture than just
Assembly, specially if you are dealing with heterogeneous computing as it is
becoming standard nowadays.
On 12/19/2011 11:42 PM, Russel Winder wrote:
I think this might be more true of native code languages than virtual
machine languages. Java programmers generally don't know the bytecodes,
Python programmers generally don't know the bytecodes, Ruby programmers
generally don't know the bytecodes
On 12/20/11 2:09 AM, Russel Winder wrote:
On Sun, 2011-12-18 at 03:57 -0600, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
[...]
It's quite amazing how many discussions a la Java is successful
because... completely neglect an essential point: one BILLION dollars
was poured into Java, a significant fraction of
On 12/20/11 2:09 AM, Russel Winder wrote:
Publishers as well as academics were culpable in the mass mania. A
revamp in the university curriculum meant new books and new sales, so
they pushed it as hard as possible. Dietel, once a prominent operating
systems author, created a not so great
On 12/20/11 2:26 AM, Caligo wrote:
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 2:09 AM, Russel Winder rus...@russel.org.uk
mailto:rus...@russel.org.uk wrote:
Musicians are coming up with new ways of funding things that is working
very well. Pre-sales. Put out the road-map and business plan for an
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 12:48 PM, Walter Bright
newshou...@digitalmars.comwrote:
On 12/19/2011 11:52 AM, ddverne wrote:
On Sunday, 18 December 2011 at 07:09:21 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
A programmer who doesn't know assembler is never going to write better
than
second rate programs.
From: Russel Winder rus...@russel.org.uk
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 11:29 PM
If you want to look at even more biased benchmarking look at
http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/ it is fundamentally designed to
show that C is the one true language for writing performance
On 12/20/2011 8:29 AM, J Arrizza wrote:
My point is being comfortable with assembler is likely an effect not a cause. If
you have the motivation and skills to pick up assembler in a semester then you
are probably going to be a better programmer in the end simply because of your
motivation and
On Tuesday, 20 December 2011 at 19:18:30 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
I don't agree, as I had been programming for two years before I
learned assembler. My high level code made dramatic
improvements after that.
I'm really curious, could you give us some examples of those
improvements?
On 12/20/11 1:29 AM, Russel Winder wrote:
The system as set out is biased though, systematically so. This is not
a problem per se since all the micro-benchmarks are about
computationally intensive activity. Native code versions are therefore
always going to appear better. But then this is
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 11:18 AM, Walter Bright
I don't agree, as I had been programming for two years before I learned
assembler. My high level code made dramatic improvements after that.
It's not my style to pass out compliments, but, well, hey, you can't really
use yourself as a typical
On 12/20/2011 11:29 AM, ddverne wrote:
On Tuesday, 20 December 2011 at 19:18:30 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
I don't agree, as I had been programming for two years before I learned
assembler. My high level code made dramatic improvements after that.
I'm really curious, could you give us some
From: Russel Winder rus...@russel.org.uk
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 11:29 PM
As for your other comments:
The opening page does indeed set out that you have to be very careful with
the data to avoid comparing apples and oranges.
No, the opening page says - A comparison between
From: Walter Bright newshou...@digitalmars.com
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 10:46 PM
On 12/18/2011 11:08 AM, Isaac Gouy wrote:
I rather object to the baseless accusation that the benchmarks game is
designed to show that C is the one true language for writing
performance
On Sunday, 18 December 2011 at 07:09:21 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
A programmer who doesn't know assembler is never going to write
better than second rate programs.
Please I don't want to flame this thread or anything like that,
but this isn't a lack of modesty or a little odd?
The phrase:
On Monday, 19 December 2011 at 19:52:41 UTC, ddverne wrote:
On Sunday, 18 December 2011 at 07:09:21 UTC, Walter Bright
wrote:
A programmer who doesn't know assembler is never going to
write better than second rate programs.
Please I don't want to flame this thread or anything like that,
but
On 12/19/2011 11:52 AM, ddverne wrote:
On Sunday, 18 December 2011 at 07:09:21 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
A programmer who doesn't know assembler is never going to write better than
second rate programs.
Please I don't want to flame this thread or anything like that, but this isn't a
lack of
On 12/19/2011 12:38 PM, dsimcha wrote:
Programming on punchcards is equivalent to typing: It is/was sometimes a
necessary practical skill, but there's nothing conceptually deep about it that
makes it worth learning even if it's not immediately practical.
The only worthwhile skill with
Walter:
The only worthwhile skill with punchcards is trying to delicately punch out
every hole without breaking any of the bridges between holes.
Given the amount of time it takes to punch the cards, waiting for your turn to
run the program, and reading the printouts, I think punchcards also
On 12/19/2011 1:35 PM, bearophile wrote:
Given the amount of time it takes to punch the cards, waiting for your turn
to run the program, and reading the printouts, I think punchcards also teach
you to use your brain first and to think before doing/trying things, instead
of going by trial and
Walter:
I've never seen any evidence that punchcards made one a better programmer.
For
sure, one wrote far fewer programs, and infinitely shorter ones, with
punchcards, and so simply lack of experience would make one worse.
This is is right. Nowdays chess gamers across the world are
On Monday, 19 December 2011 at 20:48:28 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
Sure, you can interpret that as arrogance on my part, with
justification.
On the other hand, I have a lot of experience working with
people who do know assembler, and who do not. I see the effects
of not knowing it in their
On Tuesday, 20 December 2011 at 00:55:35 UTC, ddverne wrote:
instead, I'm saying that you should avoid this type of
commentary on community where you are one of the leaders
because some people may felt offended and you can have your
image tarnished.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cycXuYzmzNg
On Mon, 2011-12-19 at 13:26 -0800, Walter Bright wrote:
[...]
I should have kept some of my old punchcard decks.
I have about 7,000 Fortran cards left, they are all pristine. They are
great for shopping lists and writing reminders during meetings. I
haven't tried actually punching holes in
On Mon, 2011-12-19 at 14:39 -0800, Walter Bright wrote:
On 12/19/2011 1:35 PM, bearophile wrote:
Given the amount of time it takes to punch the cards, waiting for your turn
to run the program, and reading the printouts, I think punchcards also teach
you to use your brain first and to think
On Tuesday, December 20, 2011 06:40:40 Russel Winder wrote:
On Mon, 2011-12-19 at 13:26 -0800, Walter Bright wrote:
[...]
I should have kept some of my old punchcard decks.
I have about 7,000 Fortran cards left, they are all pristine. They are
great for shopping lists and writing
On Sun, 2011-12-18 at 17:08 -0600, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
On 12/18/11 1:08 PM, Isaac Gouy wrote:
From: Russel Winder
Subject: Re: Java Scala
Newsgroups: gmane.comp.lang.d.general
Sat, 17 Dec 2011 22:18:26 -0800
I really rather object to being labelled an educated idiot
On Sun, 2011-12-18 at 01:51 -0800, Walter Bright wrote:
On 12/17/2011 11:23 PM, Russel Winder wrote:
It's the indirection thing again: rather than provide a C toolchain for
each platform, you load Java (or Python, Ruby, ...) which is already
precompiled for the platform which then allows a
Better than learning Assembly, people should also spend some time learning data
structures and advanced algorithms. Have a read at Knuth's books or similar.
Being 35, I grew up with Assembly, but nowadays what makes my heart cry is the
quality of code I see written everyday by our junior
On Sun, 2011-12-18 at 03:03 -0600, Caligo wrote:
[...]
You reacted to my original comment about Java the same way Bob reacted when
I told him that Ford pick-up trucks suck. If someone takes something
personally, that tells me that it's part of their identity. That's pretty
good for an
On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 12:17 AM, Russel Winder rus...@russel.org.ukwrote:
On Sat, 2011-12-17 at 22:45 -0600, Caligo wrote:
[...]
I thought this thread had finished, but...
That's like saying people should take Coke and Pepsi more seriously
because
they have bigger market shares when
On 12/17/2011 11:23 PM, Russel Winder wrote:
It's the indirection thing again: rather than provide a C toolchain for
each platform, you load Java (or Python, Ruby, ...) which is already
precompiled for the platform which then allows a single toolchain across
all platforms.
If you can compile
On 12/17/11 10:45 PM, Caligo wrote:
D is already a success, a BIG success. Walter and Andrei (and the
amazing community, of course) have created a programming language that
is light years ahead of C++, Java and Go.
Well if by success you mean we didn't find totally embarrassing flaws
in its
On 12/18/2011 2:14 AM, Russel Winder wrote:
Python is also used in industry and commerce, so it is not just a
teaching language. Almost all post-production software uses C++ and
Python. Most HPC is now Fortran, C++ and Python.
This latter would be a great area for D to try and break into,
On Sun, 2011-12-18 at 10:30 -0500, dsimcha wrote:
[...]
Please elaborate. I think D for HPC is a terrific idea. It's the only
language I know of with all of the following four attributes:
For years HPC was Fortran only (*). Many of the codes used today were
written in the 1970s and Fortran
On 12/18/11, Walter Bright newshou...@digitalmars.com wrote:
A programmer who doesn't know assembler is never going to write better than
second rate programs.
I dare you to say that Optlink is a first-rate program.
On 12/18/2011 2:09 AM, Walter Bright wrote:
A programmer who doesn't know assembler is never going to write better
than second rate programs.
I don't even know assembler that well and I agree 100%. I can read bits
of assembler and recognize compiler optimizations and could probably
On 12/18/2011 9:01 AM, Andrej Mitrovic wrote:
On 12/18/11, Walter Brightnewshou...@digitalmars.com wrote:
A programmer who doesn't know assembler is never going to write better than
second rate programs.
I dare you to say that Optlink is a first-rate program.
It is. In its heyday it beat
On 12/18/2011 8:20 AM, Russel Winder wrote:
(*) FORTRAN and Fortran are different languages. The case was changed
formally with the Fortran 1995 standard.
*Finally*!
Walter Bright Wrote:
On 12/17/2011 10:36 PM, Russel Winder wrote:
In all of this, the issue of portability of code has seemingly been
missed. One of the main reasons for Java in 1995 (other than the
trendiness of Web browser programming) was portability across all
platforms. This made
On 12/18/2011 11:00 AM, Paulo Pinto wrote:
Walter Bright Wrote:
I find this an odd statement because the Java VM is written in C, so therefore
it is on the same or fewer platforms than C.
Which specific Java VM are you talking about?
They come in all flavors, written in Assembly, C, C++ and
Walter Bright Wrote:
On 12/18/2011 11:00 AM, Paulo Pinto wrote:
Walter Bright Wrote:
I find this an odd statement because the Java VM is written in C, so
therefore
it is on the same or fewer platforms than C.
Which specific Java VM are you talking about?
They come in all
I saw it live in CERN when I stayed there during 2003-04 timeframe.
Depending on the research group, the code was either mostly Fortran
or C++.
Python is used everywhere from running builds, automate data acquisition
or show nice data GUIs. On my group, TDAQ-Atlas, Java was actually used for
the
On 12/18/11 1:00 PM, Paulo Pinto wrote:
Walter Bright Wrote:
On 12/17/2011 10:36 PM, Russel Winder wrote:
In all of this, the issue of portability of code has seemingly been
missed. One of the main reasons for Java in 1995 (other than the
trendiness of Web browser programming) was
On Sun, 18 Dec 2011 22:08:54 +0200, Paulo Pinto pj...@progtools.org
wrote:
The SunSpot VM is written in Java with a very small subset of C code.
http://www.sunspotworld.com
http://labs.oracle.com/projects/squawk/squawk-rjvm.html
The Jikes RVM is written mostly in Java.
From: Russel Winder
Subject: Re: Java Scala
Newsgroups: gmane.comp.lang.d.general
Sat, 17 Dec 2011 22:18:26 -0800
I really rather object to being labelled an educated idiot.
...
If you want to look at even more biased benchmarking look at
http://shootout.alioth.debian.org
so Wrote:
On Sun, 18 Dec 2011 22:08:54 +0200, Paulo Pinto pj...@progtools.org
wrote:
The SunSpot VM is written in Java with a very small subset of C code.
http://www.sunspotworld.com
http://labs.oracle.com/projects/squawk/squawk-rjvm.html
The Jikes RVM is written mostly in Java.
On 18-12-2011 21:08, Paulo Pinto wrote:
Walter Bright Wrote:
On 12/18/2011 11:00 AM, Paulo Pinto wrote:
Walter Bright Wrote:
I find this an odd statement because the Java VM is written in C, so therefore
it is on the same or fewer platforms than C.
Which specific Java VM are you talking
On 12/18/11, Walter Bright newshou...@digitalmars.com wrote:
It is. In its heyday..
s/is/was. My PC doesn't have a turbo button anymore. ;)
On 12/18/11 1:08 PM, Isaac Gouy wrote:
From: Russel Winder
Subject: Re: Java Scala
Newsgroups: gmane.comp.lang.d.general
Sat, 17 Dec 2011 22:18:26 -0800
I really rather object to being labelled an educated idiot.
If you want to look at even more biased benchmarking look at
http
On 12/18/11 5:15 PM, Somedude wrote:
Here is the kind of performance you can expect from the JVM: a factor of
2.5x to native C++.
That's from the Box2D physics game engine.
http://blog.j15r.com/2011/12/for-those-unfamiliar-with-it-box2d-is.html
This is very much in line with what the The
Le 19/12/2011 00:08, Andrei Alexandrescu a écrit :
On 12/18/11 1:08 PM, Isaac Gouy wrote:
From: Russel Winder
Subject: Re: Java Scala
Newsgroups: gmane.comp.lang.d.general
Sat, 17 Dec 2011 22:18:26 -0800
I really rather object to being labelled an educated idiot.
If you want to look
Le 19/12/2011 00:26, Andrei Alexandrescu a écrit :
On 12/18/11 5:15 PM, Somedude wrote:
Here is the kind of performance you can expect from the JVM: a factor of
2.5x to native C++.
That's from the Box2D physics game engine.
From: Somedude lovelyd...@mailmetrash.com
To: digitalmars-d@puremagic.com
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 4:02 PM
-snip-
It's very dependant on how you program of course, but I'd say the
ballpark is usually at least an order of magnitude more. Java wastes a
LOT of memory.
Note the
On 12/18/11 5:40 PM, Somedude wrote:
And I still pray to see D back in the shootout.
Praying might help. Working on it may actually be more effective :o).
Andrei
On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 3:14 PM, Paulo Pinto pj...@progtools.org wrote:
so Wrote:
On Sun, 18 Dec 2011 22:08:54 +0200, Paulo Pinto pj...@progtools.org
wrote:
The SunSpot VM is written in Java with a very small subset of C code.
http://www.sunspotworld.com
On 12/18/2011 1:14 PM, Paulo Pinto wrote:
quote: ... I find this an odd statement because the Java VM is written in C,
so therefore it is on the same or fewer platforms than C. ...
Means a VM written in 100% C code, which is not the case for the VMs I have
listed. Some of them the only C code
On 12/18/2011 11:08 AM, Isaac Gouy wrote:
I rather object to the baseless accusation that the benchmarks game is
designed to show that C is the one true language for writing performance
computation.
Your accusation is false.
Your accusation is ignorant (literally).
This is why I quit posting
On 2011-12-18 21:29, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
On 12/18/11 1:00 PM, Paulo Pinto wrote:
Walter Bright Wrote:
On 12/17/2011 10:36 PM, Russel Winder wrote:
In all of this, the issue of portability of code has seemingly been
missed. One of the main reasons for Java in 1995 (other than the
On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 2:19 AM, Russel Winder rus...@russel.org.uk wrote:
Java is the main language of development just now. D is a tiny little
backwater in the nether regions of obscurity. If any language is a joke
here, it is D since it is currently unable to claim any serious market
On Saturday, December 17, 2011 22:45:51 Caligo wrote:
On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 2:19 AM, Russel Winder rus...@russel.org.uk wrote:
Java is the main language of development just now. D is a tiny little
backwater in the nether regions of obscurity. If any language is a joke
here, it is D since
On Sat, 2011-12-17 at 22:45 -0600, Caligo wrote:
[...]
I thought this thread had finished, but...
That's like saying people should take Coke and Pepsi more seriously because
they have bigger market shares when in reality all you need is water.
Money isn't real, you know?
Taking that
On Sat, 2011-12-17 at 21:01 -0800, Jonathan M Davis wrote:
[...]
In my experience, it's the professors who get to choose what they're teaching
and the main reason that Java is used is a combination of its simplicitly and
the fact that it's heavily used in the industry. C and C++ have a lot
On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 11:01 PM, Jonathan M Davis jmdavisp...@gmx.comwrote:
In my experience, it's the professors who get to choose what they're
teaching
and the main reason that Java is used is a combination of its simplicitly
and
the fact that it's heavily used in the industry. C and C++
On 12/17/2011 10:36 PM, Russel Winder wrote:
In all of this, the issue of portability of code has seemingly been
missed. One of the main reasons for Java in 1995 (other than the
trendiness of Web browser programming) was portability across all
platforms. This made the sys admin of provision of
On Sun, 2011-12-18 at 00:38 -0600, Caligo wrote:
[...]
In my experience professors only get to choose what to wear to class, lol.
:-)
It's interesting how many professors choose the same exact text book for
the same courses they teach. And it's also interesting how those textbooks
cost 10
On Sat, 2011-12-17 at 23:09 -0800, Walter Bright wrote:
[...]
I find this an odd statement because the Java VM is written in C, so
therefore
it is on the same or fewer platforms than C.
It's the indirection thing again: rather than provide a C toolchain for
each platform, you load Java (or
On Sunday, December 18, 2011 06:17:22 Russel Winder wrote:
The problem here is that educators forgot the importance of learning
multiple languages and especially multiple paradigms. Java was used for
all teaching and students suffered. If they had used Java and Haskell
and Prolog things would
On 12/3/11, David Nadlinger s...@klickverbot.at wrote:
Anyway, fixed in trunk along with a few other issues:
Thanks again. I've had some trouble building SWIG but that was because
libpcre3 was missing, I got it to build and the samples seem to work
now for 2.056.
On 2011-12-12 07:54, Andrej Mitrovic wrote:
On 12/7/11, Andrej Mitrovicandrej.mitrov...@gmail.com wrote:
That's what the theming API is for on Windows. OSX might have
something similar. Harmonia uses the theming API, for OSX/Linux you
can take a look at Qt and how they skin their widgets.
On 12/7/11, Andrej Mitrovic andrej.mitrov...@gmail.com wrote:
That's what the theming API is for on Windows. OSX might have
something similar. Harmonia uses the theming API, for OSX/Linux you
can take a look at Qt and how they skin their widgets.
By theming API I mean Visual Styles on
Am 07.12.2011 15:16, schrieb Adam Ruppe:
Adrian Wrote:
[OT] As a side point from a not yet D developer, but someone who looks
at the language with great interest, but also someone with a commercial
responsibility: I am missing big projects developed in D and the most
logic project would be
Nick Sabalausky wrote:
So anyway, with my own Haxe implementation, I can just add an optional
-sane switch to enable either a runtime or compile-time check...And nobody
can stop me!! Mwuuahahahaha!! AH HA HA HA!!! BWAH HA HA HA!@!!!
HAHhahahaAHHAAHA - As a long time haXe user I appreciate
Danny Wilson da...@decube.net wrote in message
news:jbrjp6$n54$1...@digitalmars.com...
Nick Sabalausky wrote:
So anyway, with my own Haxe implementation, I can just add an optional
-sane switch to enable either a runtime or compile-time check...And
nobody
can stop me!! Mwuuahahahaha!! AH
On 2011-12-06 20:14, Adam Wilson wrote:
My goal for the project is what you would term non-native in that it
does not make use of the OS widgets; however the plan is to provide
native looking skins for the widgets. I'd like to design something that
interfaces with the machine at a lower level
Adrian Wrote:
[OT] As a side point from a not yet D developer, but someone who looks
at the language with great interest, but also someone with a commercial
responsibility: I am missing big projects developed in D and the most
logic project would be the compiler itself! I know this has been
Adrian adrian.remove-nos...@veith-system.de wrote in message
news:jbnmoo$2seg$1...@digitalmars.com...
The downside would be, that there is the risk of incompatibilities of
the compilers, leading to 2 different dialects, which would force the
users of both, only to use the subset of the
On 12/6/11, Jacob Carlborg d...@me.com wrote:
Doesn't sound very effective.
I don't know what that bubbling is all about. You can easily intercept
a signal to a child window via std.signals, in Qt this would be
installing an event filter of some sort. So sink/bubble seems
unnecessary.
The
Am 05.12.2011 18:56, schrieb Nick Sabalausky:
In that project, Haxe's ability to compile the same code, in the same
language, down to both server-side (PHP) and client-side (Flash8) has been
an *enormous* benefit. Just that one ability alone, even without the fact
that Haxe beats the snot
On 12/6/11, Adam Wilson flybo...@gmail.com wrote:
No worries, had to ask. Thanks for the link though, it looks promising. :-)
Listen, if you ever need help I'm in #d, nickname drey_. I think we
talked before. It's never a bad idea to exchange ideas, so I'll be
there.
Adrian adrian.remove-nos...@veith-system.de wrote in message
news:jbkkpf$cut$1...@digitalmars.com...
Am 05.12.2011 18:56, schrieb Nick Sabalausky:
In that project, Haxe's ability to compile the same code, in the same
language, down to both server-side (PHP) and client-side (Flash8) has
been
Nick Sabalausky a@a.a wrote in message
news:jblhn8$1vis$1...@digitalmars.com...
Adrian adrian.remove-nos...@veith-system.de wrote in message
news:jbkkpf$cut$1...@digitalmars.com...
Am 05.12.2011 18:56, schrieb Nick Sabalausky:
Why did I write the whole thing from scratch in D as a separate
On Tue, 06 Dec 2011 01:31:45 -0800, Andrej Mitrovic
andrej.mitrov...@gmail.com wrote:
On 12/6/11, Adam Wilson flybo...@gmail.com wrote:
No worries, had to ask. Thanks for the link though, it looks promising.
:-)
Listen, if you ever need help I'm in #d, nickname drey_. I think we
talked
On Tue, 06 Dec 2011 00:48:44 -0800, Andrej Mitrovic
andrej.mitrov...@gmail.com wrote:
On 12/6/11, Jacob Carlborg d...@me.com wrote:
Doesn't sound very effective.
I don't know what that bubbling is all about. You can easily intercept
a signal to a child window via std.signals, in Qt this
On 12/6/11, Adam Wilson flybo...@gmail.com wrote:
My goal for the project is what you would term non-native in that it does
not make use of the OS widgets; however the plan is to provide native
looking skins for the widgets.
That's what the theming API is for on Windows. OSX might have
On 2011-12-05 07:59, Nick Sabalausky wrote:
Jacob Carlborgd...@me.com wrote in message
news:jbglgs$2no2$1...@digitalmars.com...
I think CoffeeScript works really well, it's been around a while and it's
the default way to handle JavaScript in Rails 3.1 and later versions (SASS
is the default
Jacob Carlborg:
I think they're good languages, regardless of the indent-syntax or not.
CoffeeScript and Ruby share a couple of language features that I'm not
sure if Python does:
* Instance variables start with @ (shortcut for this. in CS)
* Functions can be called without parentheses
Andrej Mitrovic wrote:
On 12/3/11, Jonathan M Davis jmdavisp...@gmx.com wrote:
If you have a considerably better proposal for std.signals
Johannes Pfau made an updated one, not me. And I'd rather use it for a
while and hack in new features when necessary and debug it properly
than shove it into
On 2011-12-05 08:17, Adrian wrote:
Yes it is - but did you ever tried haXe ? IMO it is the best cross
platform language around - you target JavaScript, Flash, PHP, NEKO, C++
and soon Java and C# with one language. Typesafe with type inference,
compiled and code completion support from the
Le 03/12/2011 07:54, Gour a écrit :
Just, curious what would be your choise for multi-platform GU app: gtk,
qt or wx?
Sincerely,
Gour
1) By far wxWidgets because it's native and stable
2) FLTK because it's small, fast and supports OpenGL, allowing for
custom interfaces. It's also
On Monday, December 05, 2011 09:13:57 Johannes Pfau wrote:
Andrej Mitrovic wrote:
On 12/3/11, Jonathan M Davis jmdavisp...@gmx.com wrote:
If you have a considerably better proposal for std.signals
Johannes Pfau made an updated one, not me. And I'd rather use it for a
while and hack in new
Am 04.12.2011, 21:17 Uhr, schrieb Adam D. Ruppe
destructiona...@gmail.com:
Jacob Carlborg Wrote:
If you like the idea there, but want something a lot more conservative,
in my html.d (in here:
https://github.com/adamdruppe/misc-stuff-including-D-programming-language-web-stuff
)
there's now
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