== Quote from Jarrett Billingsley (jarrett.billings...@gmail.com)'s article
> On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 8:39 PM, Walter Bright
> wrote:
> >
> > It's open source. You could fix it .
> >
> It's also PHP.. good luck finding someone who _wants_ to fix it ;)
I wonder if some of the fixes would really ta
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 8:39 PM, Walter Bright
wrote:
>
> It's open source. You could fix it .
>
It's also PHP.. good luck finding someone who _wants_ to fix it ;)
Jarrett Billingsley wrote:
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 6:41 PM, Robert Fraser
We have one:
http://www.digitalmars.com/webnews/newsgroups.php?search_txt=&group=digitalmars.D
We have one that doesn't work right. The idea is to create a _new_
one which does ;)
It's open source. You could fix it .
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 6:41 PM, Robert Fraser
wrote:
> dude! sweet! wrote:
>>
>> wouldn't a web-based news-reader solve this problem? I've just did a
>> little search and found: a) http://opensource.polytechnique.org/banana/
>> from the above site: "Banana is a fast (really fast) web-based NNTP
>
dude! sweet! wrote:
wouldn't a web-based news-reader solve this problem?
I've just did a little search and found:
a) http://opensource.polytechnique.org/banana/
from the above site: "Banana is a fast (really fast) web-based NNTP library with
server side caching "
b) http://rubyforge.org/projec
wouldn't a web-based news-reader solve this problem?
I've just did a little search and found:
a) http://opensource.polytechnique.org/banana/
from the above site: "Banana is a fast (really fast) web-based NNTP library
with server side caching "
b) http://rubyforge.org/projects/ruby-net-nntp - a R
== Quote from Walter Bright (newshou...@digitalmars.com)'s article
> Lars Ivar Igesund wrote:
> > In case you are curious; my account ;)
> >
> > http://twitter.com/larsivi
> Oddly, I cannot add your name. Twitter insists that in order to add
> people, I must have an email address on hotmail.
That'
Walter Bright wrote:
Oddly, I cannot add your name. Twitter insists that in order to add
people, I must have an email address on hotmail.
Never mind, I figured it out.
Lars Ivar Igesund wrote:
In case you are curious; my account ;)
http://twitter.com/larsivi
Oddly, I cannot add your name. Twitter insists that in order to add
people, I must have an email address on hotmail.
Anyhow, my twitter account name is WalterBright.
Lars Ivar Igesund wrote:
Actually, it is not about immediate notification - you can no longer
receive SMS I think for those you follow. It is more that a "busy"
developer/person can easily write a short note about the progress
without it seeing out of place - if you use a blog you are
"obligated"
Walter Bright wrote:
> Lars Ivar Igesund wrote:
>> It is up to you to use twitter for something useful - saying there is
>> nothing useful on twitter is like saying there is nothing useful on
>> blogs. Not everyone write blogs about their last cup of tea, and
>> neither do everyone tweet about it.
Jarrett Billingsley wrote:
Thanks for the update, but I was making a terrible joke on your
mistyping of "coffee" as "copy." ;)
I looked at that 3 times and didn't realize I had misspelled it that
way. My brain is weird.
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 3:31 PM, Walter Bright
wrote:
>
> I'm drinking coffee now.
>
Thanks for the update, but I was making a terrible joke on your
mistyping of "coffee" as "copy." ;)
Walter Bright wrote:
Jarrett Billingsley wrote:
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 12:58 AM, Walter Bright
wrote:
The site itself said that one use was to tell people when you're
drinking a
cup of copy. bleh.
/me imagines Walter holding a cup filled to the brim with steaming hot
newspaper.
I have to
== Quote from Walter Bright (newshou...@digitalmars.com)'s article
>
> That said, twitter might be useful if you're at a conference and want to
> know where your buds are headed for dinner or who is right now giving a
> talk that is interesting.
There are some really interesting apps for the iPhon
Lars Ivar Igesund wrote:
It is up to you to use twitter for something useful - saying there is
nothing useful on twitter is like saying there is nothing useful on
blogs. Not everyone write blogs about their last cup of tea, and
neither do everyone tweet about it. In particular I know that many
op
Jarrett Billingsley wrote:
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 12:58 AM, Walter Bright
wrote:
The site itself said that one use was to tell people when you're drinking a
cup of copy. bleh.
/me imagines Walter holding a cup filled to the brim with steaming hot
newspaper.
I have to say, I'm not drinking
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 12:58 AM, Walter Bright
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The site itself said that one use was to tell people when you're drinking a
> cup of copy. bleh.
/me imagines Walter holding a cup filled to the brim with steaming hot
newspaper.
Lars Ivar Igesund wrote:
Walter Bright wrote:
Sean Kelly wrote:
If there is, I haven't seen it :-) I try to stay somewhat up on trends
just to be current, but I've yet to see a point in telling people what
I'm doing from minute to minute.
The site itself said that one use was to tell people
Brad Roberts wrote:
However, since it really is a pub/sub system, it'd be interesting to look
for interesting one -> many programatic use cases that could take
advantage of it.
I'm looking into creating a service bus with twitter as its transport
mechanism. Unfortunately, I think it won't be
On Thu, 11 Dec 2008, Lars Ivar Igesund wrote:
> Walter Bright wrote:
>
> > Sean Kelly wrote:
> >> If there is, I haven't seen it :-) I try to stay somewhat up on trends
> >> just to be current, but I've yet to see a point in telling people what
> >> I'm doing from minute to minute.
> >
> > The
Walter Bright wrote:
> Sean Kelly wrote:
>> If there is, I haven't seen it :-) I try to stay somewhat up on trends
>> just to be current, but I've yet to see a point in telling people what
>> I'm doing from minute to minute.
>
> The site itself said that one use was to tell people when you're
>
Bill Baxter wrote:
I think it makes a lot more sense if you are young and have basically
nothing useful to do with your time.
I go jogging regularly, and in order to avoid being hit by cars I look
at the driver to see if he sees me. These days, odds are better than
even they're yapping on the
Sean Kelly wrote:
If there is, I haven't seen it :-) I try to stay somewhat up on trends
just to be current, but I've yet to see a point in telling people what
I'm doing from minute to minute.
The site itself said that one use was to tell people when you're
drinking a cup of copy. bleh.
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 12:53 PM, Sean Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Walter Bright wrote:
>>
>> Sean Kelly wrote:
>>>
>>> I think there must be a generation gap here. The first thing I look for
>>> is a
>>> newsgroup dedicated to a subject. After that, a mailing list. I have
>>> basically
>
Walter Bright wrote:
Sean Kelly wrote:
I think there must be a generation gap here. The first thing I look
for is a
newsgroup dedicated to a subject. After that, a mailing list. I have
basically
no interest in web forums.
Ah, those whipper-snappers with Twitter accounts!!
(Is there anyth
Steven Schveighoffer wrote:
"Walter Bright" wrote
Somehow, though, I doubt anyone is going to pay me for my leet skillz at
16 bit DOS programs ever again :-(
I work mainly with writing tests/initialization scripts for x86-based
systems for issues before my company ships them. For some ungodl
"Walter Bright" wrote
> Somehow, though, I doubt anyone is going to pay me for my leet skillz at
> 16 bit DOS programs ever again :-(
I work mainly with writing tests/initialization scripts for x86-based
systems for issues before my company ships them. For some ungodly reason,
most hardware ve
Bill Baxter wrote:
Google Groups does this already, but Walter does not want to have the
digitalmars news server indexed by it for fear of spam.
More than that, there's the little problem that Google is apparently
not interested in indexing newsgroups that aren't on standard Usenet
servers.
E
BCS wrote:
Reply to Jarrett,
Google Groups does this already, but Walter does not want to have the
digitalmars news server indexed by it for fear of spam.
I'll trust him on that one seeing as more spam gets through my spam
filters in a month than I've seen on the NG,... ever
It's interesting
On Wed, 10 Dec 2008, Kyle Furlong wrote:
> Gregor Richards wrote:
> > Daniel White wrote:
> > > However, for many people who don't have these readers (and don't want
> > > to try one yet)
> >
> > Waitin' 'til '91 or so to see if this whole "Internet" thing pans out?
> >
> > - Gregor Richards
>
Denis Koroskin wrote:
But those users who visit digitalmars.D just to know if there are any
interesting topics discussed or to ask a question once in a while prefer
traditional web-based interface. In fact, these newsgroup have great
amount of useful information, but you have to fetch all the m
Reply to Walter,
(Is there anything more useless than twitter?)
Anything that can end with a hotfix from M$ is not useless!
http://www.brentozar.com/archive/2008/10/sql-2008-upgrade-tuning-for-stackoverflowcom/
Sean Kelly wrote:
I think there must be a generation gap here. The first thing I look for is a
newsgroup dedicated to a subject. After that, a mailing list. I have basically
no interest in web forums.
Ah, those whipper-snappers with Twitter accounts!!
(Is there anything more useless than tw
Reply to Mike,
Brad Roberts wrote:
For me, it's not about speed, it's about push vs pull. A forum that
I have to actively go to to find out if there's new material is
wasteful. I
In my case, it seems wasteful to use a newsreader just to check the D
ngs. I do everything from my browser exce
Reply to Walter,
Somehow, though, I doubt anyone is going to pay me for my leet skillz
at 16 bit DOS programs ever again :-(
If anyone does, you can send it to the daily WTF.
Kyle Furlong wrote:
Actually Gregor, the opposite is true. You're implying that anyone
should have a newsreader by now, but in fact, my generation knows little
about newsgroups, since by the time we came on the scene the internet
had passed them by in favor of html based forums.
Do a census o
> I visit half a dozen programming forums
Can I ask which those are?
(Check to see what I am missing :)
Gregor Richards wrote:
Daniel White wrote:
However, for many people who don't have these readers (and don't want
to try one yet)
Waitin' 'til '91 or so to see if this whole "Internet" thing pans out?
- Gregor Richards
Actually Gregor, the opposite is true. You're implying that anyone
shou
Walter Bright Wrote:
> Yes, I've used them. Reddit, Digg, Stackoverflow, and Slashdot do *not*
> show you what you have and have not read.
that (yes, crappy) thing is called "blog".
Forum is something like http://www.phpbb.com/community/
http://forums.invisionpower.com/
http://www.vbulletin.com/
> I visit half a dozen programming forums
In fairness to NNTP, you'd only have to check your inbox in one place
rather than visit 6 different forums. That's where my "collate-bits-and
pieces-from-different-forums-and-merge-them-into-one-mega-
personalized-mega-forum" idea would come in useful if i
Walter Bright wrote:
Jarrett Billingsley wrote:
On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Walter Bright
This whole client-side state thingy bothers me quite a bit as well.
Yeah, but if it's all on the server (like reddit, slashdot) there's
another
problem. If you're engaged in an active topic, there's
On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 10:16 PM, Walter Bright
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Jarrett Billingsley wrote:
>>
>> The other problem with the web-news interface is that it's a piece of
>> shit. It breaks threading, it doesn't obey many RFCs, the interface
>> itself is terrible (as someone, maybe you, me
On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 10:13 PM, Walter Bright
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yes, I've used them. Reddit, Digg, Stackoverflow, and Slashdot do *not* show
> you what you have and have not read. I've used other fora too, and they
> don't show either. They'll show what *thread* I've clicked on before,
Jarrett Billingsley wrote:
The other problem with the web-news interface is that it's a piece of
shit. It breaks threading, it doesn't obey many RFCs, the interface
itself is terrible (as someone, maybe you, mentioned, it doesn't
thread entire conversations, only a given number of posts), and it
Jarrett Billingsley wrote:
On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Walter Bright
This whole client-side state thingy bothers me quite a bit as well.
Yeah, but if it's all on the server (like reddit, slashdot) there's another
problem. If you're engaged in an active topic, there's no way to quickly
scan
Brad Roberts wrote:
For me, it's not about speed, it's about push vs pull. A forum that I
have to actively go to to find out if there's new material is wasteful. I
In my case, it seems wasteful to use a newsreader just to check the D
ngs. I do everything from my browser except checking these
On Wed, 10 Dec 2008, Mike Parker wrote:
> Years ago, I followed many newsgroups because that was the only thing we had.
> The D newsgroups are the only ones I follow these days, because I have no
> choice. It also is the only reason I run Thunderbird (the web interface
> sucks), as I check all of
Mike Parker wrote:
Walter Bright wrote:
Chad J wrote:
Jarrett Billingsley wrote:
On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 8:56 AM, Daniel White
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Waitin' 'til '91 or so to see if this whole "Internet"
thing pans out?
Lol. In all fairness though, a centralized phpBB-like forum
would al
Walter Bright wrote:
Chad J wrote:
Jarrett Billingsley wrote:
On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 8:56 AM, Daniel White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
Waitin' 'til '91 or so to see if this whole "Internet"
thing pans out?
Lol. In all fairness though, a centralized phpBB-like forum
would allow editing of posts
Daniel White wrote:
Hi all,
Is it just me, or does anyone think it may be a good idea to use a
phpBB style forum instead/aswell? I understand the reasoning behind
the current system, as many of you have dedicated news readers which
parse the emailed posts into a more thread like manner afterwards
On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 8:13 AM, Jarrett Billingsley
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 6:00 PM, Daniel White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Hi Brad,
>> Good point I guess. While it's nice to have centralization for a forum's
>> posts, the kind of centralization you're talking about
On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 02:04:16 +0300, BCS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Reply to Denis,
but you have to fetch all the
messages for doing a search over them by a keyword (my messages cache
is about 800Mb!).
That's all? Real men have >2GB of posts! :b
Here is a screenshot with some statistics t
Reply to Jarrett,
Google Groups does this already, but Walter does not want to have the
digitalmars news server indexed by it for fear of spam.
I'll trust him on that one seeing as more spam gets through my spam filters
in a month than I've seen on the NG,... ever
On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 6:00 PM, Daniel White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Brad,
> Good point I guess. While it's nice to have centralization for a forum's
> posts, the kind of centralization you're talking about is extracting from
> potentially multiple sites, and going to your inbox.
>
> I supp
On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 5:34 PM, Daniel White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> and - the big one for me - remote state
>
> Is it just me, or can't this be achieved by going to the "Web-New"
> section at:
> http://www.digitalmars.com/webnews/newsgroups.php?search_txt=&group=digitalmars.D
>
> This is bet
;
> > Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 17:14:32 -0500
> > From: Daniel White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Reply-To: digitalmars.D
> > To: digitalmars-d@puremagic.com
> > Newsgroups: digitalmars.D
> > Subject: Re: More phpBB like forum?
> >
> > Hi Derek,
>
Reply to Denis,
On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 01:37:00 +0300, Brad Roberts
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
For me, it's not about speed, it's about push vs pull. A forum that I
Oh, Yes!! A system that doesn't provide a way to get a one stop shop for
everything I'm looking at looses big time in my book. S
Reply to Daniel,
and - the big one for me - remote state
Is it just me, or can't this be achieved by going to the "Web-New"
section at:
http://www.digitalmars.com/webnews/newsgroups.php?search_txt=&group=di
gitalmars.D
This is better than what I've seen before, as it's threaded properly.
Dan
On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 01:37:00 +0300, Brad Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
For me, it's not about speed, it's about push vs pull. A forum that I
have to actively go to to find out if there's new material is wasteful.
I
already go to my mail client to find pushed material.. and it's
increme
Daniel White Wrote:
> Hi all,
> Is it just me, or does anyone think it may be a good idea to use a
> phpBB style forum instead/aswell? I understand the reasoning behind
> the current system, as many of you have dedicated news readers which
> parse the emailed posts into a more thread like manner a
2008 17:14:32 -0500
> From: Daniel White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: digitalmars.D
> To: digitalmars-d@puremagic.com
> Newsgroups: digitalmars.D
> Subject: Re: More phpBB like forum?
>
> Hi Derek,
> I agree with the spirit of what you're saying, but if t
> and - the big one for me - remote state
Is it just me, or can't this be achieved by going to the "Web-New"
section at:
http://www.digitalmars.com/webnews/newsgroups.php?search_txt=&group=digitalmars.D
This is better than what I've seen before, as it's threaded properly.
Dan
Jarrett Billingsle
To be honest, this 'Web-News' system is almost quite good, since
it acts in many ways like a forum does. The only thing which bothers
me is not being able to view all posts in a single thread on one page.
I need to click each child to read further.
Also code formatting, and proper quoting would be
Hi Derek,
I agree with the spirit of what you're saying, but if there were
a forum which was very, very fast (much faster than phpBB,
actually let's say near instant) for posting/navigation, and also
was more economical in space (it's rarely said, but most standard
forums eat up 2 or 3 lines of rea
On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 15:25:24 -0500, Daniel White wrote:
> Sean Kelly Wrote:
>
>> I think there must be a generation gap here. The first thing
>> look for is a newsgroup dedicated to a subject. After that,
>> a mailing list. I have basically no interest in web forums.
> There must be forums o
Sean Kelly Wrote:
> I think there must be a generation gap here. The first thing
> look for is a newsgroup dedicated to a subject. After that,
> a mailing list. I have basically no interest in web forums.
I think you may be right. Apparently, there is (or was) a massive
division between the AS
On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Walter Bright
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Chad J wrote:
>>
>> Jarrett Billingsley wrote:
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 8:56 AM, Daniel White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> wrote:
>
> Waitin' 'til '91 or so to see if this whole "Internet"
> thing pans out?
Walter Bright Wrote:
> Yeah, but if it's all on the server (like reddit, slashdot) there's
> another problem. If you're engaged in an active topic, there's no way to
> quickly scan the page to see if anything new is posted. There's no way
> to tell what you've read and what you haven't.
You me
Chad J wrote:
Jarrett Billingsley wrote:
On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 8:56 AM, Daniel White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
Waitin' 'til '91 or so to see if this whole "Internet"
thing pans out?
Lol. In all fairness though, a centralized phpBB-like forum
would allow editing of posts, and probably other a
I think there must be a generation gap here. The first thing I look for is a
newsgroup dedicated to a subject. After that, a mailing list. I have basically
no interest in web forums.
== Quote from Morusaka ([EMAIL PROTECTED])'s article
> As a newcomer, I think more has to be done to make info a
As a newcomer, I think more has to be done to make info about D more accessible.
I'm thinking of what comes after one reads the first steps tutorial... and one
of that things could be a forum.
Luca.
Daniel White Wrote:
> Hi all,
> Is it just me, or does anyone think it may be a good idea to use
Jarrett Billingsley wrote:
On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 8:56 AM, Daniel White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Waitin' 'til '91 or so to see if this whole "Internet"
thing pans out?
Lol. In all fairness though, a centralized phpBB-like forum
would allow editing of posts, and probably other advantages
(bett
Daniel White wrote:
Waitin' 'til '91 or so to see if this whole "Internet"
thing pans out?
Lol. In all fairness though, a centralized phpBB-like forum
would allow editing of posts, and probably other advantages
(better quoting, and image support) - something not available
in this current system
On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 8:56 AM, Daniel White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Waitin' 'til '91 or so to see if this whole "Internet"
>> thing pans out?
>
> Lol. In all fairness though, a centralized phpBB-like forum
> would allow editing of posts, and probably other advantages
> (better quoting, and i
> Waitin' 'til '91 or so to see if this whole "Internet"
> thing pans out?
Lol. In all fairness though, a centralized phpBB-like forum
would allow editing of posts, and probably other advantages
(better quoting, and image support) - something not available
in this current system.
> What about d
Daniel White wrote:
To get the best of both worlds, one could get some backend server
software to automatically parse the posts into a thread/phpbb like
system, AND for the posts to be sent in the usual way to be read by
the specialized newsgroup software readers. Is there such a system? -
if not
> We do REALLY need to get something better for the on line news page.
I know that for most "Blog" pops to mind while reading that 2.0 sentence.
But who can be bothered with the signing in just to blog your mood.
That is why I vote for an imageboard.
btw. bump
Daniel White wrote:
Hi all,
Is it just me, or does anyone think it may be a good idea to use a
phpBB style forum instead/aswell? I understand the reasoning behind
the current system, as many of you have dedicated news readers which
parse the emailed posts into a more thread like manner afterwards
Reply to Gregor,
Daniel White wrote:
However, for many people who don't have these readers (and don't want
to try one yet)
Waitin' 'til '91 or so to see if this whole "Internet" thing pans out?
- Gregor Richards
Oh quit being sutch a grouch /j
We do REALLY need to get something better
Daniel White wrote:
However, for many people who don't have these readers (and don't want
to try one yet)
Waitin' 'til '91 or so to see if this whole "Internet" thing pans out?
- Gregor Richards
Hi all,
Is it just me, or does anyone think it may be a good idea to use a
phpBB style forum instead/aswell? I understand the reasoning behind
the current system, as many of you have dedicated news readers which
parse the emailed posts into a more thread like manner afterwards.
However, for many p
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