Re: OT; Will MS kill .NET ?

2013-08-21 Thread PauloPinto
On Thursday, 22 August 2013 at 01:40:05 UTC, Gambler wrote: On 8/20/2013 3:18 PM, Paulo Pinto wrote: On Tuesday, 20 August 2013 at 16:07:00 UTC, Kagamin wrote: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/system.type.makegenerictype.aspx How would you implement this in native code? Like we use to

Re: OT; Will MS kill .NET ?

2013-08-21 Thread Gambler
On 8/20/2013 3:18 PM, Paulo Pinto wrote: > On Tuesday, 20 August 2013 at 16:07:00 UTC, Kagamin wrote: >> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/system.type.makegenerictype.aspx >> How would you implement this in native code? > > Like we use to do in the old days when we were forced to rewrite > A

Re: OT; Will MS kill .NET ?

2013-08-20 Thread Paulo Pinto
On Tuesday, 20 August 2013 at 16:07:00 UTC, Kagamin wrote: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/system.type.makegenerictype.aspx How would you implement this in native code? Like we use to do in the old days when we were forced to rewrite Assembly on the fly. Allocate a memory buffer with

Re: OT; Will MS kill .NET ?

2013-08-20 Thread pjmp
On Tuesday, 20 August 2013 at 16:34:26 UTC, Luís Marques wrote: ... 1. Compiler generates x86 code, which is executed directly by the CPU, and nearly all the source program operations (setting a variable, calling a function, etc.) are encoded directly in the produced code. E.g. setting a va

Re: OT; Will MS kill .NET ?

2013-08-20 Thread Nick Sabalausky
On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 18:34:24 +0200 "Luís Marques" wrote: > On Tuesday, 20 August 2013 at 13:37:00 UTC, Paulo Pinto wrote: > > Native code has nothing to do with systems programming or the > > mapping of one-to-one from language to microprocessor > > instructions. > > At least in the context of

Re: OT; Will MS kill .NET ?

2013-08-20 Thread Luís.Marques
On Tuesday, 20 August 2013 at 13:37:00 UTC, Paulo Pinto wrote: Native code has nothing to do with systems programming or the mapping of one-to-one from language to microprocessor instructions. At least in the context of "fully native" and C#, which we were discussing, I disagree. See below.

Re: OT; Will MS kill .NET ?

2013-08-20 Thread Kagamin
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/system.type.makegenerictype.aspx How would you implement this in native code?

Re: OT; Will MS kill .NET ?

2013-08-20 Thread Paulo Pinto
On Tuesday, 20 August 2013 at 12:49:36 UTC, Luís Marques wrote: On Tuesday, 20 August 2013 at 07:45:28 UTC, Paulo Pinto wrote: ... I don't quite agree with this. Imagine if I said "they just have to change their Javascript compilers to produce native code". It's clear that the semantics of the

Re: OT; Will MS kill .NET ?

2013-08-20 Thread Luís.Marques
On Tuesday, 20 August 2013 at 07:45:28 UTC, Paulo Pinto wrote: With the failure that Longhorn and Vista were, the .NET political camp inside Microsoft lost power to the native guys. I bet this is what was behind the WinRT decision, because the original .NET design documents for .NET were actua

Re: OT; Will MS kill .NET ?

2013-08-20 Thread Paulo Pinto
On Tuesday, 20 August 2013 at 02:20:38 UTC, Luís Marques wrote: I thought that, if anything, Microsoft was regretting going too high-level. There is a video from Channel 9 with Herb Sutter (perhaps [1], not sure) where I recall him saying that the .Net mania had died out and Microsoft develop

Re: OT; Will MS kill .NET ?

2013-08-20 Thread Paulo Pinto
On Tuesday, 20 August 2013 at 01:28:38 UTC, Nick B wrote: Hi. I can across this off-topic. It is 2 years old, but it seems well written. http://i-programmer.info/professional-programmer/i-programmer/2591-dumping-net-microsofts-madness.html Here is a preview book from MS, to back up this po

Re: OT; Will MS kill .NET ?

2013-08-19 Thread Luís.Marques
BTW, I was disappointed to find out (and I had to dig through several contradictory articles to clarify that) that WinRT is not planned to (eventually) be the new core Windows API (the lowest level one, ignoring the NT "native" API) , upon which higher level APIs (like .Net) are built. Things

Re: OT; Will MS kill .NET ?

2013-08-19 Thread Luís.Marques
I thought that, if anything, Microsoft was regretting going too high-level. There is a video from Channel 9 with Herb Sutter (perhaps [1], not sure) where I recall him saying that the .Net mania had died out and Microsoft developers were again focusing on C++. [1] http://channel9.msdn.com/p

Re: OT; Will MS kill .NET ?

2013-08-19 Thread Adam Wilson
On Mon, 19 Aug 2013 18:28:37 -0700, Nick B wrote: Hi. I can across this off-topic. It is 2 years old, but it seems well written. http://i-programmer.info/professional-programmer/i-programmer/2591-dumping-net-microsofts-madness.html Here is a preview book from MS, to back up this point

OT; Will MS kill .NET ?

2013-08-19 Thread Nick B
Hi. I can across this off-topic. It is 2 years old, but it seems well written. http://i-programmer.info/professional-programmer/i-programmer/2591-dumping-net-microsofts-madness.html Here is a preview book from MS, to back up this point above: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/microsoft_press/archive