On 09/04/2018 06:35 PM, Walter Bright wrote:
Another example I read on HackerNews today:
"I recall that during their most recent s3 outage Amazon's status page
was green across the board, because somehow all the assets that were
supposed to be displayed when things went wrong were themselves
Another example I read on HackerNews today:
"I recall that during their most recent s3 outage Amazon's status page was green
across the board, because somehow all the assets that were supposed to be
displayed when things went wrong were themselves hosted on the thing that was down."
On Monday, 3 September 2018 at 02:58:01 UTC, Nick Sabalausky
(Abscissa) wrote:
In the 50's/60's in particular, I imagine a much larger
percentage of programmers probably had either some formal
engineering background or something equally strong.
I guess some had, but my impression it that it
On Tuesday, 4 September 2018 at 11:21:24 UTC, Kagamin wrote:
On Sunday, 2 September 2018 at 21:07:20 UTC, Nick Sabalausky
(Abscissa) wrote:
B. Physical interface:
--
By this I mean both actual input devices (keyboards,
controllers, pointing devices) and also the mappings
On Sunday, 2 September 2018 at 21:07:20 UTC, Nick Sabalausky
(Abscissa) wrote:
B. Physical interface:
--
By this I mean both actual input devices (keyboards,
controllers, pointing devices) and also the mappings from their
affordances (ie, what you can do with them: push
On Sunday, 2 September 2018 at 21:07:20 UTC, Nick Sabalausky
(Abscissa) wrote:
GUI programming has been attempted a lot. (See Scratch for one
of the latest, possibly most successful attempts). But there
are real, practical reasons it's never made significant
in-roads (yet).
There are really
On Saturday, 1 September 2018 at 11:36:52 UTC, Walter Bright
wrote:
I'm rather sad that I've never seen these ideas outside of the
aerospace industry. Added to that is all the pushback on them I
get here, on reddit, and on hackernews.
Just chiming in to say you're certainly not ignored,
On 9/3/2018 8:33 AM, tide wrote:
Yes why wouldn't a company want to fix a "feature" where by, if you have a
scratch on a DVD you have to go buy another one in order to play it.
Not playing it with an appropriate message is fine. Hanging the machine is not.
It's obviously not that big of a
On 9/3/2018 1:55 PM, Gambler wrote:
> There is this VR game called Fantastic Contraption. Its interface is
> light-years ahead of anything else I've seen in VR. The point of the
> game is to design animated 3D structures that solve the problem of
> traversing various obstacles while moving from
I have to delete some quoted text to make this manageable.
On 9/2/2018 5:07 PM, Nick Sabalausky (Abscissa) wrote:
> [...]
> GUI programming has been attempted a lot. (See Scratch for one of the
> latest, possibly most successful attempts). But there are real,
> practical reasons it's never made
On Saturday, 1 September 2018 at 20:48:27 UTC, Walter Bright
wrote:
On 9/1/2018 5:25 AM, tide wrote:
and that all bugs can be solved with asserts
I never said that, not even close.
Are you in large implying it.
But I will maintain that DVD players still hanging on a
scratched DVD after 20
On Saturday, 1 September 2018 at 11:32:32 UTC, Jonathan M Davis
wrote:
I think that his point was more that it's sometimes argued that
software engineering really isn't engineering in the classical
sense. If you're talking about someone like a civil engineer
for instance, the engineer applies
On Sunday, September 2, 2018 11:54:57 PM MDT Nick Sabalausky (Abscissa) via
Digitalmars-d wrote:
> On 09/03/2018 12:46 AM, H. S. Teoh wrote:
> > Anything less is unsafe, because being
> > in an invalid state means you cannot predict what the program will do
> > when you try to recover it. Your
On 09/03/2018 12:46 AM, H. S. Teoh wrote:
On Sun, Sep 02, 2018 at 09:33:36PM -0700, H. S. Teoh wrote:
[...]
The reason I picked memory corruption is because it's a good
illustration of how badly things can go wrong when code that is known to
have programming bugs continue running unchecked.
On Sun, Sep 02, 2018 at 09:33:36PM -0700, H. S. Teoh wrote:
[...]
> The reason I picked memory corruption is because it's a good
> illustration of how badly things can go wrong when code that is known to
> have programming bugs continue running unchecked.
[...]
P.S. And memory corruption is also
On Mon, Sep 03, 2018 at 03:21:00AM +, tide via Digitalmars-d wrote:
[...]
> Any graphic problems are going to stem probably more from shaders and
> interaction with the GPU than any sort of logic code.
[...]
> What he was talking about was basically that, he was saying how it
> could be used
On Saturday, 1 September 2018 at 13:21:27 UTC, Jonathan M Davis
wrote:
On Saturday, September 1, 2018 6:37:13 AM MDT tide via
Digitalmars-d wrote:
On Saturday, 1 September 2018 at 08:18:03 UTC, Walter Bright
wrote:
> On 8/31/2018 7:28 PM, tide wrote:
>> I'm just wondering but how would you
On 09/02/2018 09:20 PM, Walter Bright wrote:
On 9/1/2018 8:18 PM, Nick Sabalausky (Abscissa) wrote:
[...]
My take on all this is people spend 5 minutes thinking about it and are
confident they know it all.
Wouldn't it be nice if we COULD do that? :)
A few years back some hacker claimed
On 09/02/2018 07:17 PM, Gambler wrote:
But in general, I believe the statement about comparative reliability of
tech from 1970s is true. I'm perpetually impressed with is all the
mainframe software that often runs mission-critical operations in places
you would least expect.
I suspect it may
On 9/1/2018 8:18 PM, Nick Sabalausky (Abscissa) wrote:
[...]
My take on all this is people spend 5 minutes thinking about it and are
confident they know it all.
A few years back some hacker claimed they'd gotten into the Boeing flight
control computers via the passenger entertainment
On 9/1/2018 11:42 PM, Nick Sabalausky (Abscissa) wrote:
> On 09/01/2018 05:06 PM, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote:
>>
>> If you have a specific context (like banking) then you can develop a
>> software method that specifies how to build banking software, and
>> repeat it, assuming that the banks you
On Sunday, 2 September 2018 at 04:59:49 UTC, Nick Sabalausky
(Abscissa) wrote:
A. People not caring enough about their own craft to actually
TRY to learn how to do it right.
Well, that is an issue. That many students enroll into
programming courses, not because they take pride in writing good
On 09/01/2018 03:47 PM, Everlast wrote:
It's because programming is done completely wrong. All we do is program
like it's 1952 all wrapped up in a nice box and bow tie. WE should have
tools and a compiler design that all work interconnected with complete
graphical interfaces that aren't
On Sunday, 2 September 2018 at 06:25:47 UTC, Nick Sabalausky
(Abscissa) wrote:
On 08/31/2018 07:47 PM, Jonathan M Davis wrote:
However, many
teachers really aren't great programmers. They aren't
necessarily bad
programmers, but unless they spent a bunch of time in industry
before
teaching,
On 9/1/18 6:29 AM, Shachar Shemesh wrote:
On 31/08/18 23:22, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:
On 8/31/18 3:50 PM, Walter Bright wrote:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17880722
Typical comments:
"`assertAndContinue` crashes in dev and logs an error and keeps going
in prod. Each time we want
On Sunday, 2 September 2018 at 04:21:44 UTC, Jonathan M Davis
wrote:
On Saturday, September 1, 2018 9:18:17 PM MDT Nick Sabalausky
(Abscissa) via Digitalmars-d wrote:
So honestly, I don't find it at all surprising when an
application can't handle not being able to write to disk.
Ideally, it
On 09/02/2018 02:06 AM, Joakim wrote:
On Sunday, 2 September 2018 at 05:16:43 UTC, Nick Sabalausky (Abscissa)
wrote:
Smug as I may have been at the at the time, it wasn't until later I
realized the REAL smart ones were the ones out partying, not the grads
or the nerds like me.
Why? Please
On 09/02/2018 12:21 AM, Jonathan M Davis wrote:
The C APIs on the other hand require that you
check the return value, and some of the C++ APIs require the same.
Heh, yea, as horrifically awful as return value errors really are, I
have to admit, with them, at least it's actually *possible* to
On 08/31/2018 07:47 PM, Jonathan M Davis wrote:
However, many
teachers really aren't great programmers. They aren't necessarily bad
programmers, but unless they spent a bunch of time in industry before
teaching, odds are that they don't have all of the software engineering
skills that the
On Sunday, 2 September 2018 at 05:16:43 UTC, Nick Sabalausky
(Abscissa) wrote:
On 09/02/2018 12:53 AM, Jonathan M Davis wrote:
Ouch. Seriously, seriously ouch.
Heh, yea, well...that particular one was state party school,
so, what y'gonna do? *shrug*
Smug as I may have been at the at the
On 09/01/2018 09:15 AM, Jonathan M Davis wrote:
I don't know if any DVD players have ever used Java, but all Blu-ray players
do require it, because unfortunately, the Blu-ray spec allows for the menus
to be done via Java (presumably so that they can be fancier than what was
possible on DVDs).
On 09/02/2018 12:53 AM, Jonathan M Davis wrote:
Ouch. Seriously, seriously ouch.
Heh, yea, well...that particular one was state party school, so, what
y'gonna do? *shrug*
Smug as I may have been at the at the time, it wasn't until later I
realized the REAL smart ones were the ones out
On 09/01/2018 02:15 AM, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote:
The root cause of bad software is that many programmers don't even have
an education in CS or software engineering, or didn't do a good job
while getting it!
Meh, no. The root cause trifecta is:
A. People not caring enough about their
On Saturday, September 1, 2018 10:44:57 PM MDT Nick Sabalausky (Abscissa)
via Digitalmars-d wrote:
> On 09/01/2018 01:51 AM, rikki cattermole wrote:
> > But in saying that, we had third year students starting out not
> > understanding how cli arguments work so...
>
> How I wish that sort of thing
On 09/01/2018 01:51 AM, rikki cattermole wrote:
But in saying that, we had third year students starting out not
understanding how cli arguments work so...
How I wish that sort of thing surprised me ;)
As part of the generation that grew up with BASIC on 80's home
computers, part of my
On 08/31/2018 07:20 PM, H. S. Teoh wrote:
The problem is that there is a disconnect between academia and the
industry.
The goal in academia is to produce new research, to find ground-breaking
new theories that bring a lot of recognition and fame to the institution
when published. It's the
On Saturday, September 1, 2018 9:18:17 PM MDT Nick Sabalausky (Abscissa) via
Digitalmars-d wrote:
> On 08/31/2018 03:50 PM, Walter Bright wrote:
> [From your comment in that thread]
>
> > fill up your system disk to near capacity, then try to run various
>
> apps and system utilities.
>
> I've
On 09/01/2018 05:06 PM, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote:
If you have a specific context (like banking) then you can develop a
software method that specifies how to build banking software, and repeat
it, assuming that the banks you develop the method for are similar
Of course, banking has changed
On 08/31/2018 05:09 PM, H. S. Teoh wrote:
It's precisely for this reason that the title "software engineer" makes
me cringe on the one hand, and snicker on the other hand. I honestly
cannot keep a straight face when using the word "engineering" to
describe what a typical programmer does in the
On 08/31/2018 03:50 PM, Walter Bright wrote:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17880722
Typical comments:
"`assertAndContinue` crashes in dev and logs an error and keeps going in
prod. Each time we want to verify a runtime assumption, we decide which
type of assert to use. We prefer
On Saturday, 1 September 2018 at 20:48:27 UTC, Walter Bright
wrote:
On 9/1/2018 5:25 AM, tide wrote:
and that all bugs can be solved with asserts
I never said that, not even close.
But I will maintain that DVD players still hanging on a
scratched DVD after 20 years of development means
On 9/1/2018 7:36 AM, Walter Bright wrote:
> On 9/1/2018 2:15 AM, Paulo Pinto wrote:
>> On Saturday, 1 September 2018 at 08:19:49 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
>>> On 8/31/2018 11:59 PM, Paulo Pinto wrote:
> For example, in any CS program, are there any courses at all about
> this?
Yes, we
On 9/1/2018 2:33 PM, Gambler wrote:
Alan Kay, Joe Armstrong, Jim Coplien - just to name a few famous people
who talked about this issue. It's amazing that so many engineers still
don't get it. I'm inclined to put some blame on the recent TDD movement.
They often to seem stress low-level code
On 8/31/2018 3:50 PM, Walter Bright wrote:
> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17880722
>
> Typical comments:
>
> "`assertAndContinue` crashes in dev and logs an error and keeps going in
> prod. Each time we want to verify a runtime assumption, we decide which
> type of assert to use. We
On Saturday, 1 September 2018 at 11:32:32 UTC, Jonathan M Davis
wrote:
I'm not sure that I really agree that software engineering
isn't engineering, but the folks who argue against it do have a
point in that software engineering is definitely not like most
other engineering disciplines, and
On 9/1/2018 5:33 AM, tide wrote:
It is vastly different, do you know what fly by wire is?
Yes, I do. Do you know I worked for three years on critical flight controls
systems at Boeing? I said so in the article(s). These ideas are not mine, I did
not come up with them in 5 minutes at the
On 9/1/2018 5:25 AM, tide wrote:
and that all bugs can be solved with asserts
I never said that, not even close.
But I will maintain that DVD players still hanging on a scratched DVD after 20
years of development means there's some cowboy engineering going on, and an
obvious lack of concern
On 9/1/2018 1:18 AM, Walter Bright wrote:
On 8/31/2018 7:28 PM, tide wrote:
I'm just wondering but how would you code an assert to ensure the variable for
a title bar is the correct color? Just how many asserts are you going to have
in your real-time game that can be expected to run at 144+
On Friday, 31 August 2018 at 19:50:20 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17880722
Typical comments:
"`assertAndContinue` crashes in dev and logs an error and keeps
going in prod. Each time we want to verify a runtime
assumption, we decide which type of assert to
On 02/09/2018 1:15 AM, Jonathan M Davis wrote:
On Saturday, September 1, 2018 6:46:38 AM MDT rikki cattermole via
Digitalmars-d wrote:
On 02/09/2018 12:21 AM, tide wrote:
On Saturday, 1 September 2018 at 05:53:12 UTC, rikki cattermole wrote:
On 01/09/2018 12:40 PM, tide wrote:
On Friday, 31
On Saturday, September 1, 2018 6:37:13 AM MDT tide via Digitalmars-d wrote:
> On Saturday, 1 September 2018 at 08:18:03 UTC, Walter Bright
>
> wrote:
> > On 8/31/2018 7:28 PM, tide wrote:
> >> I'm just wondering but how would you code an assert to ensure
> >> the variable for a title bar is the
On Saturday, September 1, 2018 6:46:38 AM MDT rikki cattermole via
Digitalmars-d wrote:
> On 02/09/2018 12:21 AM, tide wrote:
> > On Saturday, 1 September 2018 at 05:53:12 UTC, rikki cattermole wrote:
> >> On 01/09/2018 12:40 PM, tide wrote:
> >>> On Friday, 31 August 2018 at 22:42:39 UTC, Walter
On Saturday, 1 September 2018 at 13:03:50 UTC, rikki cattermole
wrote:
On 02/09/2018 12:57 AM, tide wrote:
On Saturday, 1 September 2018 at 12:49:12 UTC, rikki
cattermole wrote:
On 02/09/2018 12:37 AM, tide wrote:
On Saturday, 1 September 2018 at 08:18:03 UTC, Walter Bright
wrote:
On
On 02/09/2018 12:57 AM, tide wrote:
On Saturday, 1 September 2018 at 12:49:12 UTC, rikki cattermole wrote:
On 02/09/2018 12:37 AM, tide wrote:
On Saturday, 1 September 2018 at 08:18:03 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
On 8/31/2018 7:28 PM, tide wrote:
I'm just wondering but how would you code an
On Saturday, 1 September 2018 at 12:49:12 UTC, rikki cattermole
wrote:
On 02/09/2018 12:37 AM, tide wrote:
On Saturday, 1 September 2018 at 08:18:03 UTC, Walter Bright
wrote:
On 8/31/2018 7:28 PM, tide wrote:
I'm just wondering but how would you code an assert to
ensure the variable for a
On 02/09/2018 12:21 AM, tide wrote:
On Saturday, 1 September 2018 at 05:53:12 UTC, rikki cattermole wrote:
On 01/09/2018 12:40 PM, tide wrote:
On Friday, 31 August 2018 at 22:42:39 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
On 8/31/2018 2:40 PM, tide wrote:
I don't think I've ever had a **game** hung up in a
On 02/09/2018 12:37 AM, tide wrote:
On Saturday, 1 September 2018 at 08:18:03 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
On 8/31/2018 7:28 PM, tide wrote:
I'm just wondering but how would you code an assert to ensure the
variable for a title bar is the correct color? Just how many asserts
are you going to
On Saturday, 1 September 2018 at 08:18:03 UTC, Walter Bright
wrote:
On 8/31/2018 7:28 PM, tide wrote:
I'm just wondering but how would you code an assert to ensure
the variable for a title bar is the correct color? Just how
many asserts are you going to have in your real-time game that
can be
On Saturday, 1 September 2018 at 08:05:58 UTC, Walter Bright
wrote:
On 8/31/2018 5:47 PM, tide wrote:
I've already read them before. Why don't you explain what is
wrong with it rather than posting articles.
Because the articles explain the issues at length. Explaining
why your proposal is
On Saturday, 1 September 2018 at 07:59:27 UTC, Walter Bright
wrote:
On 8/31/2018 5:40 PM, tide wrote:
On Friday, 31 August 2018 at 22:42:39 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
On 8/31/2018 2:40 PM, tide wrote:
I don't think I've ever had a **game** hung up in a black
screen and not be able to close it.
On Saturday, 1 September 2018 at 05:53:12 UTC, rikki cattermole
wrote:
On 01/09/2018 12:40 PM, tide wrote:
On Friday, 31 August 2018 at 22:42:39 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
On 8/31/2018 2:40 PM, tide wrote:
I don't think I've ever had a **game** hung up in a black
screen and not be able to
On 9/1/2018 3:49 AM, Dennis wrote:
On Friday, 31 August 2018 at 22:23:09 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
For example, in any CS program, are there any courses at all about this?
In Year 1 Q4 of my Bachelor CS, there was a course "Software Testing and Quality
Engineering" which covered things like
On 9/1/2018 2:15 AM, Paulo Pinto wrote:
On Saturday, 1 September 2018 at 08:19:49 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
On 8/31/2018 11:59 PM, Paulo Pinto wrote:
For example, in any CS program, are there any courses at all about this?
Yes, we had them on my degree,
I'm curious how the courses you took
On Saturday, 1 September 2018 at 08:18:03 UTC, Walter Bright
wrote:
On 8/31/2018 7:28 PM, tide wrote:
I'm just wondering but how would you code an assert to ensure
the variable for a title bar is the correct color? Just how
many asserts are you going to have in your real-time game that
can be
On Saturday, September 1, 2018 2:19:07 AM MDT Kagamin via Digitalmars-d
wrote:
> On Friday, 31 August 2018 at 21:09:21 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote:
> >> Some countries do have engineering certifications and
> >> professional permits for software engineering, but its still a
> >> minority.
> >
> > [...]
On Saturday, September 1, 2018 1:59:27 AM MDT Walter Bright via Digitalmars-
d wrote:
> On 8/31/2018 5:40 PM, tide wrote:
> > On Friday, 31 August 2018 at 22:42:39 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
> >> On 8/31/2018 2:40 PM, tide wrote:
> >>> I don't think I've ever had a **game** hung up in a black
On Friday, 31 August 2018 at 22:23:09 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
For example, in any CS program, are there any courses at all
about this?
In Year 1 Q4 of my Bachelor CS, there was a course "Software
Testing and Quality Engineering" which covered things like test
types (unit, end-to-end, smoke
On 31/08/18 23:22, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:
On 8/31/18 3:50 PM, Walter Bright wrote:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17880722
Typical comments:
"`assertAndContinue` crashes in dev and logs an error and keeps going
in prod. Each time we want to verify a runtime assumption, we decide
On Saturday, 1 September 2018 at 08:19:49 UTC, Walter Bright
wrote:
On 8/31/2018 11:59 PM, Paulo Pinto wrote:
For example, in any CS program, are there any courses at all
about this?
Yes, we had them on my degree,
I'm curious how the courses you took compared with the articles
I wrote about
On Friday, 31 August 2018 at 21:09:21 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote:
Some countries do have engineering certifications and
professional permits for software engineering, but its still a
minority.
[...]
It's precisely for this reason that the title "software
engineer" makes me cringe on the one hand,
On 8/31/2018 7:28 PM, tide wrote:
I'm just wondering but how would you code an assert to ensure the variable for a
title bar is the correct color? Just how many asserts are you going to have in
your real-time game that can be expected to run at 144+ fps ?
Experience will guide you on where to
On 8/31/2018 11:59 PM, Paulo Pinto wrote:
For example, in any CS program, are there any courses at all about this?
Yes, we had them on my degree,
I'm curious how the courses you took compared with the articles I wrote about
it.
On 8/31/2018 5:47 PM, tide wrote:
I've already read them before. Why don't you explain what is wrong with it
rather than posting articles.
Because the articles explain the issues at length. Explaining why your proposal
is deeply flawed was the entire purpose I wrote them.
You are just
On 8/31/2018 5:40 PM, tide wrote:
On Friday, 31 August 2018 at 22:42:39 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
On 8/31/2018 2:40 PM, tide wrote:
I don't think I've ever had a **game** hung up in a black screen and not be
able to close it.
I've had that problem with every **DVD player** I've had in the
On Saturday, 1 September 2018 at 05:57:06 UTC, rikki cattermole
wrote:
It all comes down to, not enough time to cover the material.
Programming is the largest scientific field in existence. It
has merged material from Physics, Chemistry, Psychology (in a
BIG WAY), Biology, you name it and
On Friday, 31 August 2018 at 22:23:09 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
On 8/31/2018 1:42 PM, Paulo Pinto wrote:
Some countries do have engineering certifications and
professional permits for software engineering, but its still a
minority.
That won't fix anything, because there is NO conventional
On Friday, 31 August 2018 at 23:20:08 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote:
The problem is that there is a disconnect between academia and
the industry.
No, there isn't. Plenty of research is focused on software
engineering and software process improvement. Those are separate
research branches.
The
On Saturday, 1 September 2018 at 05:51:10 UTC, rikki cattermole
wrote:
Then there are polytechnics which I went to for my degree,
where the focus was squarely on Industry and not on academia at
all.
But the teaching is based on research in a good engineering
school...
But in saying that,
It all comes down to, not enough time to cover the material.
Programming is the largest scientific field in existence. It has merged
material from Physics, Chemistry, Psychology (in a BIG WAY), Biology,
you name it and that ignores Mathematics.
Three to four years is just scratching the
Then there are polytechnics which I went to for my degree, where the
focus was squarely on Industry and not on academia at all.
But in saying that, we had third year students starting out not
understanding how cli arguments work so...
Proper software engineering really takes 5+ years just to
On 01/09/2018 12:40 PM, tide wrote:
On Friday, 31 August 2018 at 22:42:39 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
On 8/31/2018 2:40 PM, tide wrote:
I don't think I've ever had a **game** hung up in a black screen and
not be able to close it.
I've had that problem with every **DVD player** I've had in the
On Friday, 31 August 2018 at 22:05:18 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote:
On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 09:40:50PM +, tide via
Digitalmars-d wrote:
On Friday, 31 August 2018 at 21:31:02 UTC, 0xEAB wrote:
[...]
> Furthermore, how often have we cursed about games that hung
> up with a blackscreen and didn't
On Friday, 31 August 2018 at 22:27:47 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
On 8/31/2018 2:21 PM, tide wrote:
On Friday, 31 August 2018 at 19:50:20 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
"Stopping all executing may not be the correct 'safe state'
for an airplane though!"
Depends on the aircraft and how it is
On Friday, 31 August 2018 at 22:42:39 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
On 8/31/2018 2:40 PM, tide wrote:
I don't think I've ever had a **game** hung up in a black
screen and not be able to close it.
I've had that problem with every **DVD player** I've had in the
last 20 years. Power cycling is the
On Friday, 31 August 2018 at 23:47:40 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote:
The are plenty of cases where the teachers actually do an
excellent job teaching the material that the courses cover.
It's just that the material is often about theoretical computer
science - and this is actually stuff that can
On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 05:47:40PM -0600, Jonathan M Davis via Digitalmars-d
wrote:
[...]
> The school I went to (Cal Poly, San Luis Obispo) at least tries to
> focus on the practical side of things (their motto is "learn by
> doing"), and when I went there, they even specifically had a Software
On Friday, August 31, 2018 5:20:08 PM MDT H. S. Teoh via Digitalmars-d
wrote:
> A consequence of this disconnect is that the incentives are set up all
> wrong. Professors are paid to publish research papers, not to teach
> students. Teaching is often viewed as an undesired additional burden
>
On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 04:45:57PM -0600, Jonathan M Davis via Digitalmars-d
wrote:
> On Friday, August 31, 2018 4:23:09 PM MDT Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d
> wrote:
[...]
> > That won't fix anything, because there is NO conventional wisdom in
> > software engineering for how to deal with
On Friday, August 31, 2018 4:23:09 PM MDT Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d
wrote:
> On 8/31/2018 1:42 PM, Paulo Pinto wrote:
> > Some countries do have engineering certifications and professional
> > permits for software engineering, but its still a minority.
>
> That won't fix anything, because
On 8/31/2018 2:40 PM, tide wrote:
I don't think I've ever had a game hung up in a black
screen and not be able to close it.
I've had that problem with every DVD player I've had in the last 20 years. Power
cycling is the only fix.
On 8/31/2018 2:21 PM, tide wrote:
On Friday, 31 August 2018 at 19:50:20 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
"Stopping all executing may not be the correct 'safe state' for an airplane
though!"
Depends on the aircraft and how it is implemented. If you have a plane that is
fly by wire, and you stop all
On 8/31/2018 1:42 PM, Paulo Pinto wrote:
Some countries do have engineering certifications and professional permits for
software engineering, but its still a minority.
That won't fix anything, because there is NO conventional wisdom in software
engineering for how to deal with program bugs. I
On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 09:40:50PM +, tide via Digitalmars-d wrote:
> On Friday, 31 August 2018 at 21:31:02 UTC, 0xEAB wrote:
[...]
> > Furthermore, how often have we cursed about games that hung up with
> > a blackscreen and didn't let us close them by any mean other than
> > logging off? If
On Friday, 31 August 2018 at 21:40:50 UTC, tide wrote:
The asserts being there still cause slow downs in things that
would otherwise not be slow. Like how D does assert checks for
indices.
After the bug is fixed and the app is debugged, there's no need
to keep those assertions.
The release
On Friday, 31 August 2018 at 21:31:02 UTC, 0xEAB wrote:
On Friday, 31 August 2018 at 21:21:16 UTC, tide wrote:
Depends on the software being developed, for a game? Stopping
at every assert would be madness. Let a lone having an over
ubundance of asserts. Can't even imagine how many asserts
On Friday, 31 August 2018 at 21:21:16 UTC, tide wrote:
Depends on the software being developed, for a game? Stopping
at every assert would be madness. Let a lone having an over
ubundance of asserts. Can't even imagine how many asserts there
would be in for something like a matrix
On Friday, 31 August 2018 at 19:50:20 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17880722
Typical comments:
"Stopping all executing may not be the correct 'safe state' for
an airplane though!"
Depends on the aircraft and how it is implemented. If you have a
plane that
On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 08:42:38PM +, Paulo Pinto via Digitalmars-d wrote:
> On Friday, 31 August 2018 at 19:50:20 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
> > https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17880722
[...]
> > And on and on. It's unbelievable. The conventional wisdom in
> > software for how to deal
On Friday, 31 August 2018 at 19:50:20 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17880722
Typical comments:
"`assertAndContinue` crashes in dev and logs an error and keeps
going in prod. Each time we want to verify a runtime
assumption, we decide which type of assert to
On 8/31/18 3:50 PM, Walter Bright wrote:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17880722
Typical comments:
"`assertAndContinue` crashes in dev and logs an error and keeps going in
prod. Each time we want to verify a runtime assumption, we decide which
type of assert to use. We prefer
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