Re: OT: Flash and Javascript (Was: Taunting)

2009-05-29 Thread Nick Sabalausky
"BCS" wrote in message news:78ccfa2d417fc8cbae8318d2e...@news.digitalmars.com... > Reply to Nick, > > [sniped rant about why the web sucks] > > I'll grant you most of that and I don't care about the rest. > "Cool" and "Fair enough" ;) > It's ironic that this should come up in the D community be

Re: OT: Flash and Javascript (Was: Taunting)

2009-05-29 Thread BCS
Reply to Nick, [sniped rant about why the web sucks] I'll grant you most of that and I don't care about the rest. It's ironic that this should come up in the D community because it sounds a lot like C++ template are to the web like D template are to what the web should be. That is; the Web ha

Re: OT: Flash and Javascript (Was: Taunting)

2009-05-29 Thread Nick Sabalausky
"Alexander Pánek" wrote in message news:gvoa8d$o5...@digitalmars.com... > Nick Sabalausky wrote: >> "Alexander P?nek" wrote in message >> news:gvlrua$16p...@digitalmars.com... >>> grauzone wrote: > browsers. What's the big deal everyone have with Javascript? >>> Look mah, JS and Flash combi

Re: OT: Flash and Javascript (Was: Taunting)

2009-05-29 Thread Nick Sabalausky
"Alexander Pánek" wrote in message news:gvob5q$pg...@digitalmars.com... > Nick Sabalausky wrote: >> "Alexander P?nek" wrote in message >> news:gvm3qh$1ld...@digitalmars.com... >>> grauzone wrote: Alexander P?nek wrote: > grauzone wrote: >> Alexander P?nek wrote: >>> Look mah, J

Re: OT: Flash and Javascript (Was: Taunting)

2009-05-29 Thread BCS
Reply to Alexander, Nick Sabalausky wrote: "Alexander P?nek" wrote in message news:gvlrua$16p...@digitalmars.com... grauzone wrote: browsers. What's the big deal everyone have with Javascript? Look mah, JS and Flash combined in shiny modal windows: http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2009/

Re: OT: Flash and Javascript (Was: Taunting)

2009-05-29 Thread Alexander Pánek
Nick Sabalausky wrote: "Alexander P�nek" wrote in message news:gvm3qh$1ld...@digitalmars.com... grauzone wrote: Alexander P�nek wrote: grauzone wrote: Alexander P�nek wrote: Look mah, JS and Flash combined in shiny modal windows: http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2009/05/27/modal-windows-in-

Re: OT: Flash and Javascript (Was: Taunting)

2009-05-29 Thread Alexander Pánek
Nick Sabalausky wrote: "Alexander P�nek" wrote in message news:gvlrua$16p...@digitalmars.com... grauzone wrote: browsers. What's the big deal everyone have with Javascript? Look mah, JS and Flash combined in shiny modal windows: http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2009/05/27/modal-windows-in-mod

Re: OT: Flash and Javascript (Was: Taunting)

2009-05-28 Thread Nick Sabalausky
"Alexander Pánek" wrote in message news:gvm3qh$1ld...@digitalmars.com... > grauzone wrote: >> Alexander Pánek wrote: >>> grauzone wrote: Alexander Pánek wrote: > > Look mah, JS and Flash combined in shiny modal windows: > > http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2009/05/27/modal-win

Re: OT: Flash and Javascript (Was: Taunting)

2009-05-28 Thread Nick Sabalausky
"Alexander Pánek" wrote in message news:gvlrua$16p...@digitalmars.com... > grauzone wrote: >>> browsers. What's the big deal everyone have with Javascript? >> > > Look mah, JS and Flash combined in shiny modal windows: > > http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2009/05/27/modal-windows-in-modern-web-des

Re: OT: Flash and Javascript (Was: Taunting)

2009-05-28 Thread Alexander Pánek
grauzone wrote: Alexander Pánek wrote: grauzone wrote: Alexander Pánek wrote: grauzone wrote: browsers. What's the big deal everyone have with Javascript? It's unnecessary, annoying, slower, and adds security holes. When using Firefox, I usually use NoScript to block all scripts by defaul

Re: OT: Flash and Javascript (Was: Taunting)

2009-05-28 Thread grauzone
Alexander Pánek wrote: grauzone wrote: Alexander Pánek wrote: grauzone wrote: browsers. What's the big deal everyone have with Javascript? It's unnecessary, annoying, slower, and adds security holes. When using Firefox, I usually use NoScript to block all scripts by default. Sometimes, som

Re: OT: Flash and Javascript (Was: Taunting)

2009-05-28 Thread Alexander Pánek
grauzone wrote: Alexander Pánek wrote: grauzone wrote: browsers. What's the big deal everyone have with Javascript? It's unnecessary, annoying, slower, and adds security holes. When using Firefox, I usually use NoScript to block all scripts by default. Sometimes, some minor things don't wor

Re: OT: Flash and Javascript (Was: Taunting)

2009-05-28 Thread grauzone
Alexander Pánek wrote: grauzone wrote: browsers. What's the big deal everyone have with Javascript? It's unnecessary, annoying, slower, and adds security holes. When using Firefox, I usually use NoScript to block all scripts by default. Sometimes, some minor things don't work, and I have to

Re: OT: Flash and Javascript (Was: Taunting)

2009-05-28 Thread Alexander Pánek
grauzone wrote: browsers. What's the big deal everyone have with Javascript? It's unnecessary, annoying, slower, and adds security holes. When using Firefox, I usually use NoScript to block all scripts by default. Sometimes, some minor things don't work, and I have to enable JS. Now it's rea

Re: OT: Flash and Javascript (Was: Taunting)

2009-05-24 Thread BCS
Hello Nick, I wish you were a higher-up at Epic ;) They seem to have pretty much the opposite attitude, and I get so worked-up every time I see a quote from "CliffyB" or any of the others... I'm sorry to disappoint, but gaming is the only case where building to the latest hardware has any ra

Re: OT: Flash and Javascript (Was: Taunting)

2009-05-24 Thread Nick Sabalausky
"BCS" wrote in message news:a6268ff64568cbaad2fa3b9...@news.digitalmars.com... > Hello Nick, > >> Just trying to anticipate that argument. It's amazing how many times >> I've seen people try to argue that something isn't worth developing >> for just because the stores don't sell them. What matter

Re: OT: Flash and Javascript (Was: Taunting)

2009-05-24 Thread Nick Sabalausky
"Ary Borenszweig" wrote in message news:gvcehp$2rd...@digitalmars.com... > grauzone escribió: >>> browsers. What's the big deal everyone have with Javascript? >> >> It's unnecessary, annoying, slower, and adds security holes. > > Anything which connects to the internet poses a security hole, like

Re: OT: Flash and Javascript (Was: Taunting)

2009-05-24 Thread BCS
Hello Nick, Just trying to anticipate that argument. It's amazing how many times I've seen people try to argue that something isn't worth developing for just because the stores don't sell them. What matters is what is people are *using*, not what the stores are selling. Should they stop offerin

Re: OT: Flash and Javascript (Was: Taunting)

2009-05-24 Thread Nick Sabalausky
"Saaa" wrote in message news:gvcdpg$2q8...@digitalmars.com... > >> Some sort of multi-core 64-bit? I >> don't care if that's all that the stores are currently trying to sell, > lol Just trying to anticipate that argument. It's amazing how many times I've seen people try to argue that something

Re: OT: Flash and Javascript (Was: Taunting)

2009-05-24 Thread Nick Sabalausky
"Jarrett Billingsley" wrote in message news:mailman.166.1243199156.13405.digitalmars-d-annou...@puremagic.com... On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 4:39 PM, Nick Sabalausky wrote: > > I use Firefox too. My computer isn't even a fire-breathing monster by > today's standards: Athlon X2 64 4600+, but it's ru

Re: OT: Flash and Javascript (Was: Taunting)

2009-05-24 Thread Saaa
> Now now, needing additional software just for disabling features is > really... stupid, but at least I'm not using virus scanners or "personal > firewalls". Selectively disabling, not so stupid I would think. I like them firewalls, making me select who can send info about me and who can not.

Re: OT: Flash and Javascript (Was: Taunting)

2009-05-24 Thread Robert Clipsham
grauzone wrote: Needing brand new PC hardware for using "heavy" websites is not really an exaggeration, though. As soon as you have several instances of that website loaded (in different browser windows, tabs, etc.), things are _definitely_ starting to get no fun, even with an overclocked, 64 b

Re: OT: Flash and Javascript (Was: Taunting)

2009-05-24 Thread grauzone
Ary Borenszweig wrote: grauzone escribió: browsers. What's the big deal everyone have with Javascript? It's unnecessary, annoying, slower, and adds security holes. Anything which connects to the internet poses a security hole, like your web browser. So that's not a reason. Also, Javascrip

Re: OT: Flash and Javascript (Was: Taunting)

2009-05-24 Thread grauzone
Jarrett Billingsley wrote: On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 5:12 PM, grauzone wrote: to get a new machine? They're like $12 now. Where can I buy 12$ computers? lern2hyperbole. Needing brand new PC hardware for using "heavy" websites is not really an exaggeration, though. As soon as you have seve

Re: OT: Flash and Javascript (Was: Taunting)

2009-05-24 Thread grauzone
Saaa wrote: My only concern with NoScript is, enabling a site reloads all tabs containing a script from that site. Oh, and by default, it shows some sort of GUI animation when loading a site with blocked scripts. But you can disable it. As you can disable the reloading ;) Thanks. And going

Re: OT: Flash and Javascript (Was: Taunting)

2009-05-24 Thread Ary Borenszweig
grauzone escribió: browsers. What's the big deal everyone have with Javascript? It's unnecessary, annoying, slower, and adds security holes. Anything which connects to the internet poses a security hole, like your web browser. So that's not a reason. Also, Javascript makes some stuff faste

Re: OT: Flash and Javascript (Was: Taunting)

2009-05-24 Thread Saaa
> Some sort of multi-core 64-bit? I > don't care if that's all that the stores are currently trying to sell, lol

Re: OT: Flash and Javascript (Was: Taunting)

2009-05-24 Thread Jarrett Billingsley
On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 5:12 PM, grauzone wrote: >> to get a new machine?  They're like $12 now. > > Where can I buy 12$ computers? > lern2hyperbole.

Re: OT: Flash and Javascript (Was: Taunting)

2009-05-24 Thread Saaa
> My only concern with NoScript is, enabling a site reloads all tabs > containing a script from that site. Oh, and by default, it shows some sort > of GUI animation when loading a site with blocked scripts. But you can > disable it. As you can disable the reloading ;)

Re: OT: Flash and Javascript (Was: Taunting)

2009-05-24 Thread Saaa
>>> And then there's FlashBlock, which I *would* absolutely love...except it >>> *only* works with JS enabled!!! ^&$&^%^^&!!! And frankly, I just don't >>> have the time to dig into FF extension-writing and do things the way I >>> really want them. >> >> Just use noscript for blocking flash > >

Re: OT: Flash and Javascript (Was: Taunting)

2009-05-24 Thread grauzone
to get a new machine? They're like $12 now. Where can I buy 12$ computers?

Re: OT: Flash and Javascript (Was: Taunting)

2009-05-24 Thread Jarrett Billingsley
On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 4:39 PM, Nick Sabalausky wrote: > "Jarrett Billingsley" wrote in message > news:mailman.165.1243195228.13405.digitalmars-d-annou...@puremagic.com... >> >> I'm starting to get the impression that you just have a _really slow >> Javascript interpreter_ in your browser.  I ha

Re: OT: Flash and Javascript (Was: Taunting)

2009-05-24 Thread grauzone
What browser are you *using*? Firefox. But I often use Konqueror for "serious work" (!= entertainment, wasting time). With Konqueror, some sites become dead slow with Java Script enabled. Oh, and although Konqueror is a very nice browser, scripting often causes malfunctions. That all just sho

Re: OT: Flash and Javascript (Was: Taunting)

2009-05-24 Thread grauzone
Adblock is essential. Most ads have gotten so completely out-of-hand, I seriously wouldn't even be using the web anymore if it weren't for Adblock. Definitely. It's also useful for blocking other obnoxious stuff like emoticons or avatars in those phpBB forums. IIRC, I think NoScript does let

Re: OT: Flash and Javascript (Was: Taunting)

2009-05-24 Thread Nick Sabalausky
"Saaa" wrote in message news:gvcb0n$2l9...@digitalmars.com... > >> >> And then there's FlashBlock, which I *would* absolutely love...except it >> *only* works with JS enabled!!! ^&$&^%^^&!!! And frankly, I just don't >> have the time to dig into FF extension-writing and do things the way I >>

Re: OT: Flash and Javascript (Was: Taunting)

2009-05-24 Thread Nick Sabalausky
"Jarrett Billingsley" wrote in message news:mailman.165.1243195228.13405.digitalmars-d-annou...@puremagic.com... > > I'm starting to get the impression that you just have a _really slow > Javascript interpreter_ in your browser. I have no idea what you're > talking about with text input lag. I

Re: OT: Flash and Javascript (Was: Taunting)

2009-05-24 Thread Saaa
"Nick Sabalausky" wrote in message news:gvcb23$2lg...@digitalmars.com... > "Saaa" wrote in message > news:gvcac0$2k6...@digitalmars.com... >> The tango website is the slowest website I know, so I think it is an >> exceptionally bad example for showing js being slow as I know a lot of >> webs

Re: OT: Flash and Javascript (Was: Taunting)

2009-05-24 Thread Nick Sabalausky
"Saaa" wrote in message news:gvcac0$2k6...@digitalmars.com... > The tango website is the slowest website I know, so I think it is an > exceptionally bad example for showing js being slow as I know a lot of > websites which use loads more of web 2.o stuff and show up in less than a > second. >

Re: OT: Flash and Javascript (Was: Taunting)

2009-05-24 Thread Nick Sabalausky
"BCS" wrote in message news:a6268ff641a8cbaa84e...@news.digitalmars.com... > Hello Nick, > >> Yes, yes, yes. This. All of it. > [...] > > Anything that can be used for good can be used for ill. Yes, lots of sites > out there are junk, but that would be true no matter what tools were > avail

Re: OT: Flash and Javascript (Was: Taunting)

2009-05-24 Thread Saaa
> IIRC, I think NoScript does let you do site-by-site, right? I just hope it > plays nice with QuickJava though, (or contains QuickJava-style It does, both. > functionality), because trying to configure sites/pages manually would be > a major PITA and possibly not even be worth it. > > And then t

Re: OT: Flash and Javascript (Was: Taunting)

2009-05-24 Thread Nick Sabalausky
"Nick Sabalausky" wrote in message news:gvcaph$2kt...@digitalmars.com... > > Although I may often say things to the contrary, I don't actually advocate > the outright elimination of JS or Flash world-wide (hell, I've even used > them myself *where appropriate*). However, I *would* like to see

Re: OT: Flash and Javascript (Was: Taunting)

2009-05-24 Thread Saaa
>> Yes, yes, yes. This. All of it. > [...] > > Anything that can be used for good can be used for ill. Yes, lots of sites > out there are junk, but that would be true no matter what tools were > available. > > The (long term) solution isn't to reject the tools but to figure out how > to make th

Re: OT: Flash and Javascript (Was: Taunting)

2009-05-24 Thread Saaa
> I'm starting to get the impression that you just have a _really slow > Javascript interpreter_ in your browser. I have no idea what you're > talking about with text input lag. I have never experienced that. > And the Tango API opens in about 2 seconds with JS enabled for me. > > What browser ar

Re: OT: Flash and Javascript (Was: Taunting)

2009-05-24 Thread Nick Sabalausky
"grauzone" wrote in message news:gvc6r3$2dm...@digitalmars.com... > Nick Sabalausky wrote: >> "Nick Sabalausky" wrote in message >> news:gvc4kc$29b...@digitalmars.com... >>> And, (and here's the real clincher), since I obviously can't enforce >>> proper design on the web, the one thing I *can*

Re: OT: Flash and Javascript (Was: Taunting)

2009-05-24 Thread Jarrett Billingsley
On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 2:43 PM, Nick Sabalausky wrote: > > To add a little though, grauzone says "You know, Win 3.11 feels faster." My > 486 Win 3.11 machine *was* faster (not in terms of raw operations per second > of course, but in terms of responsiveness.) My machine has a clockspeed in > the

Re: OT: Flash and Javascript (Was: Taunting)

2009-05-24 Thread BCS
Hello Nick, Yes, yes, yes. This. All of it. [...] Anything that can be used for good can be used for ill. Yes, lots of sites out there are junk, but that would be true no matter what tools were available. The (long term) solution isn't to reject the tools but to figure out how to make them

Re: OT: Flash and Javascript (Was: Taunting)

2009-05-24 Thread grauzone
Nick Sabalausky wrote: "Nick Sabalausky" wrote in message news:gvc4kc$29b...@digitalmars.com... And, (and here's the real clincher), since I obviously can't enforce proper design on the web, the one thing I *can* do is just simply disable that shit. So I do. And as you can already tell, I'm fa

Re: OT: Flash and Javascript (Was: Taunting)

2009-05-24 Thread Jérôme M. Berger
Nick Sabalausky wrote: "Nick Sabalausky" wrote in message news:gvc4kc$29b...@digitalmars.com... And, (and here's the real clincher), since I obviously can't enforce proper design on the web, the one thing I *can* do is just simply disable that shit. So I do. And as you can already tell, I'm fa

Re: OT: Flash and Javascript (Was: Taunting)

2009-05-24 Thread Nick Sabalausky
"Nick Sabalausky" wrote in message news:gvc4kc$29b...@digitalmars.com... > And, (and here's the real clincher), since I obviously can't enforce > proper design on the web, the one thing I *can* do is just simply disable > that shit. So I do. And as you can already tell, I'm far from the only >

Re: OT: Flash and Javascript (Was: Taunting)

2009-05-24 Thread Nick Sabalausky
"grauzone" wrote in message news:gvbr5u$167...@digitalmars.com... >> browsers. What's the big deal everyone have with Javascript? > > It's unnecessary, annoying, slower, and adds security holes. > > When using Firefox, I usually use NoScript to block all scripts by > default. Sometimes, some min

Re: OT: Flash and Javascript (Was: Taunting)

2009-05-24 Thread grauzone
browsers. What's the big deal everyone have with Javascript? It's unnecessary, annoying, slower, and adds security holes. When using Firefox, I usually use NoScript to block all scripts by default. Sometimes, some minor things don't work, and I have to enable JS. Now it's really rare to see f

Re: OT: Flash and Javascript (Was: Taunting)

2009-05-23 Thread Ary Borenszweig
Charles Hixson escribió: Ary Borenszweig wrote: BCS escribió: Hello Nick, what they can do is additionally provide a non-youtube/flash version. Which should be really [censored] easy since they had to have already had one in order to upload it to craptube in the first place. If they can, ye

Re: OT: Flash and Javascript (Was: Taunting)

2009-05-23 Thread Charles Hixson
Ary Borenszweig wrote: BCS escribió: Hello Nick, what they can do is additionally provide a non-youtube/flash version. Which should be really [censored] easy since they had to have already had one in order to upload it to craptube in the first place. If they can, yes, but they might not have

OT: Flash and Javascript (Was: Taunting)

2009-05-23 Thread Ary Borenszweig
BCS escribió: Hello Nick, what they can do is additionally provide a non-youtube/flash version. Which should be really [censored] easy since they had to have already had one in order to upload it to craptube in the first place. If they can, yes, but they might not have access to general file