[digitalradio] Emergency Communications: was Win Link

2005-04-13 Thread Dr. Howard S. White
Buddy: You don't have to go so far as India... How about something closer to home... like San Diego The 2003 San Diego Cedar Fires Most people are unaware that during the recent 2003 Cedar Fires which so devastated San Diego that Land Lines Telephones failed due to downed wires,

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Win Link

2005-04-13 Thread Dr. Howard S. White
Buddy: See my post on the San Diego 2003 Cedar Fires...18 months ago.. Hams definitely saved the day How about 9/11... Hams were there as communicators when all the other systems failed.. The list is updated daily

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Win Link

2005-04-13 Thread Mike/k1eg
I can give you one example. The ice storm of 94 here in KY knocked out all communications except Amateur. Winlink wasn't around then but if it had it would have been used I'm sure. Packet Radio was used in that storm. Mike K1EG - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:

Re: [digitalradio] Win Link

2005-04-13 Thread gdadx2
Gregg, Thanks for you knee-jerk response! Which of your examples used WinLink? Like others, in your haste to attack, you missed my main point. In emergencies, how much traffic is passed using WinLink? Locally, I've been through some minor emergencies, usually the results of a passing

Re: [digitalradio] Win Link

2005-04-13 Thread JV
This run-awaytrain is totally out of control. I have more to do than bang on the delete key. You guys have fun beating up on each other. I'm out of here. JV KT4U ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 04/13/05 10:54:46 To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re:

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Wimlink

2005-04-13 Thread gdadx2
It would appear that this reflector has been QRMed by WinLink. Haha,, how correct you are.. and just think how bad it will be on 20 meters!! Buddy WB4M The K3UK DIGITAL MODES SPOTTING CLUSTER AT telnet://208.15.25.196/ Yahoo! Groups Links The K3UK DIGITAL MODES SPOTTING

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Win Link

2005-04-13 Thread gdadx2
When was the last time you worked a public service event? Last summer Even when cell phones are available it becomes clear to event organizers that ham communications capabilities are better than cells. When a bike ride director needs to tell 12 Not here, most used cellphones and

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Win Link

2005-04-13 Thread Rud K5RUD
If you used GMRS/FRS it must have been a short ride. We tried to use FRS for the start / finish area. Even for that distance they were unreliable. On parts of the loop even repeater coverage got spotty. As for your question vis-a-vis Winlink usage it is not used for most of those events but

[digitalradio] Re: Win Link

2005-04-13 Thread Joel Kolstad
Dean, A few comments... 1. Ham radio is dying, because modern communications technology has passed it, and the amateur community, even if totally united (ha ha), doesn't have the resources to combat it in any meaningful way. It may be dying in the sense of the membership

Re: [digitalradio] Emergency Communications: was Win Link

2005-04-13 Thread Dr. Howard S. White
The original point of your post was that Ham Radio in EMCOMM is a joke... Clearly it is not.. Cedar Fires did not use Winlink because it was not yet available... would we have used it if it were available.. definitely ... especially for shelter management...etc.. The current Tsunami

Re: [digitalradio] Hamshack Hack v.06 just released

2005-04-13 Thread Dean Gibson AE7Q
I'll get the new version. I downloaded the previous one and it burned/worked OK, with one caveat: In a text mode window (Alt-Shift-F2), it was apparently able to operate the display in 1600x1200 mode, but in the GUI window it was only 1024x768. A couple months ago someone loaded me a

[digitalradio] RE: Call for Papers--2005 ARRL/TAPR Digital Communications Conference

2005-04-13 Thread Ford, Steve, WB8IMY
Technical papers are solicited for presentation at the 24th Annual ARRL and TAPR Digital Communications Conference to be held September 23-25, 2005 in Santa Ana, California, and for publication in the Conference Proceedings. Presentation at the conference is NOT required for publication.

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2005-04-13 Thread Rick Scott
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Re: [digitalradio] Emergency Communications: was Win Link

2005-04-13 Thread gdadx2
Nope, The original post I made was a response to another post, in which the author said that ham radio is being touted as being sold as a source of communications during emergencies. I agreed with him when he stated that if agencies have to rely on ham radio, then their own system must

[digitalradio] Re: Win Link

2005-04-13 Thread Steve Waterman, k4cjx
Of secondary importance to this message is the following: http://www.kyham.net/emcomm/ares/digital/systems.html and it may not be current, but its an indication of Winlink 2000 for KY EmComm. --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Mike/k1eg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can give you one example.

[digitalradio] Re: Win Link

2005-04-13 Thread Steve Waterman, k4cjx
When Hams don't think they may add value to emergency communications, its all over! Steve, k4cjx --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Gregg Hendry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Buddy, Great points you make there. You are absolutely correct about technology! I mean, they now have

[digitalradio] Re: Emergency Communications: was Win Link

2005-04-13 Thread Steve Waterman, k4cjx
Imperial county (next door?) used it extensively accoring to the Red Cross there. This thread needs to end. It is going nowhere. Steve, k4cjx --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But did they use Winlink? That was the gist of my original post. As an avid RTTY

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Win Link

2005-04-13 Thread gdadx2
When Hams don't think they may add value to emergency communications, its all over! Steve, k4cjx Only if emergency communications is all ham radio is to you. Buddy WB4M The K3UK DIGITAL MODES SPOTTING CLUSTER AT telnet://208.15.25.196/ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit

[digitalradio] Re: Win Link

2005-04-13 Thread Steve Waterman, k4cjx
Tanks buddy, And we all want to stick the other mode somewhere else. Band planning by bandwidth will allow RTTY to sit without the problems of Pactor wide or narrow. In fact, If they do retain the auto-sub-bands for Packet, it will also remain free to auto-forward, machine-to- machine.

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Win Link

2005-04-13 Thread gdadx2
If you used GMRS/FRS it must have been a short ride. We tried to use FRS for the start / finish area. Even for that distance they were unreliable. The rider made laps around a pre-determined course. I don't remember the actual lenght of the course, but the 7-mile range of the radios

Re: [digitalradio] Hamshack Hack v.06 just released

2005-04-13 Thread DavesRadio\RR\
would someone explain to me what this Hamshack Hack thing is? bear in mind that I'm an old man and not at all puter litterate so keep it in small words...lol K5DRC BULL SHOALES LAKEhttp://www.bullshoals.org/lake.htm AR/MO STATE LINE Lord , make me the person my dog thinks I am -

[digitalradio] Re: Visual BASIC [was: Win Link]

2005-04-13 Thread rrlanders2
Having worked 25+ years in Fortune 500 companies here in the St. Louis area, VB is heavily used. VBA in Access and Excel even more so. VB.NET is following in VB6's footsteps. Like it or not, for business purposes, quite often it's good enough... I didn't make the rules, just get paid to write

Re: [digitalradio] Hamshack Hack v.06 just released

2005-04-13 Thread Ralph Mowery
--- DavesRadio\RR\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: would someone explain to me what this Hamshack Hack thing is? bear in mind that I'm an old man and not at all puter litterate so keep it in small words...lol K5DRC BULL SHOALES LAKE http://www.bullshoals.org/lake.htm AR/MO STATE LINE

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Visual BASIC [was: Win Link]

2005-04-13 Thread Dean Gibson AE7Q
On 2005-04-13 13:22, Dave Bernstein wrote: http://www.appforge.com/products/enterprise/crossfire/index.html Well, we'll just have to disagree on this. As for the above link, I found the statement /AppForge Crossfire uses industry standard tools and languages such as Microsoft C#, Visual

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Win Link

2005-04-13 Thread Chuck Mayfield
Dave, Open source means Open Source. If you are not part of the solution, then you are part of the problem. You complain, apparently to no end, about programmers who want to keep their programs as their own, but do the same thing yourself. Is that hypocrisy? Enough already. Please give

Re: [digitalradio] Emergency Communications: was Win Link

2005-04-13 Thread Dr. Howard S. White
Dean: I applaud your efforts... The reason I gave up on simple packet for EMCOMM is that for every test exercise I attended, people spent hours trying to get it to work...The commands and codes were so arcane ... that none of the less technical people could communicate.. and the served

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Visual BASIC [was: Win Link]

2005-04-13 Thread Robert McGwier
There is almost no one I respect more than David Bernstein as a programmer but Microsoft has said it is definitely going to blow off all those developers and tell everyone VB is dead. As such, it will be. I do not believe there will be VB in VS 2005.net. C# and even C++ are forms

[digitalradio] www.arrl.org

2005-04-13 Thread Steve Waterman, k4cjx
Please note the recent actions of the ARRL Executive Committee. They are to be applauded for their vision and courage. Please let's get beyond the present situation, protocols, and biases, and plan for the future. This means, let's get beyond the present perceptions of existing operations.

RE: [digitalradio] Emergency Communication value

2005-04-13 Thread Rick Williams
Changing the focus of the discussion slightly ... It is definitely the case that there is no more efficient way to be prepared for emergencies unless a lot of time is spent on preparation and training. It could be by trained professionals, but it would take a rather large part of the GDP:) On

[digitalradio] The future radio

2005-04-13 Thread Andrew J. O'Brien
I posted this on the Had Radio Deluxe Forum and thought I would also share it here. I had a vision today and got a peak in to what Ham Radio Deluxe version 10.01 ( or similar products ) will look like. I was talking on a 2 metre repeater to a person who was asking advice about where to

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Win Link

2005-04-13 Thread Stu
I have sent the emails to unsubscribe Can the person in charge delete me off the list To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The K3UK DIGITAL MODES SPOTTING

[digitalradio] The ARRL has started to make recommendations.

2005-04-13 Thread Mark Miller
It looks like the ARRL is moving toward a nice compromise to the regulation by bandwidth proposed petition. To me this looks like the best compromise available. The report was released today at http://www.remote.arrl.org/news/stories/2005/04/13/1/?nc=1 73, Mark N5RFX The K3UK

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Win Link

2005-04-13 Thread Danny C Douglas
1998 (I think) I had 12.5 inches of rain at my house on the North end of Madison County, Virginia. At the same time. the other end of the county (the Blue Ridge end), they were having 22.5 inches in less than 12 hours. Within minutes, rivers were full, within a couple of hours they were

[digitalradio] Re: Win Link

2005-04-13 Thread obrienaj
You are not listed as a member. --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Stu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have sent the emails to unsubscribe Can the person in charge delete me off the list To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/

[digitalradio] RTTY Gazette is Moving

2005-04-13 Thread Andrew J. O'Brien
- Original Message - From: WI8W [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 1:16 PM Subject: [RTTY] RTTY Gazette is Moving The RTTY Gazette is moving. Beginning with the May issue, the RTTY Gazette will no longer be sent via a direct e-mail list. My ISP has requested that

RE: [digitalradio] Re: Emergency Communications: was Win Link

2005-04-13 Thread AA7ZC
Amen!! Barry AA7ZC From: Steve Waterman, k4cjx [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 10:28 AM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: [digitalradio] Re: Emergency Communications: was Win Link Imperial county (next door?) used it extensively

[digitalradio] Re: Visual BASIC [was: Win Link]

2005-04-13 Thread Dave Bernstein
### AA6YQ comments below --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Dean Gibson AE7Q [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can see we are on completely different wavelengths here as well; Java does not have a ridiculously cryptic syntax. It reminds me of one criticism of COBOL (which I developed in for

RE: [digitalradio] Re: Win Link

2005-04-13 Thread KA9QJG
Stu , All You have to do as far as I Know is put this in the TO: [EMAIL PROTECTED] And that should work for yourself Don KA9QJG The K3UK DIGITAL MODES SPOTTING CLUSTER AT telnet://208.15.25.196/ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to:

Re: [digitalradio] Emergency Communications: was Win Link

2005-04-13 Thread Mike/k1eg
Dean when your done I believe there will be many of us interested in trying your program since there are many of us in the same boat your in. Now if we could just get them to use laptops that would solve a lot of problems. Mike/K1EG - Original Message - From: Dean Gibson AE7Q [EMAIL

[digitalradio] Re: Win Link

2005-04-13 Thread obrienaj
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Stu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: bye too much spam Spam? No, mail you are not intersted in perhaps, but when one joins a list like this, you accept the fact that not all messages are you cuppa tea The K3UK DIGITAL MODES SPOTTING CLUSTER AT

[digitalradio] Reflector traffic volume

2005-04-13 Thread Andrew J. O'Brien
New members may wish to note the traffic volume of this list. While it varies, one can expect an average of 12-15 messages per day. If this is too much for you, please consider the once per day digest option, or use the web access to just browse the topics list. You can even read the

Re: [digitalradio] Reflector traffic volume

2005-04-13 Thread Andrew J. O'Brien
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[digitalradio] Re: Visual BASIC [was: Win Link]

2005-04-13 Thread Dave Bernstein
The botched transition from VB to VB.net is one of Microsoft's larger errors, on par with designing its operating systems without competent regard for security. The clear message to software developers is that Microsoft can't be trusted to provide an upward compatible path. In case anyone's

[digitalradio] Re: The future radio

2005-04-13 Thread Dave Bernstein
I've not personally tried one, but early adopters report those virtual keyboards to be unuseable. To see why, try rapidly drumming your fingers on a table top for 10 minutes. Its more likely that your transceiver will connect with your car's telematics via ultra-wideband (aka wireless USB),