RE: [digitalradio] Re: ARQ sound card modes

2006-09-14 Thread DuBose Walt Civ AETC CONS/LGCA
Oops...the F1ULT Pascal WEB site. That's the one I meant. Yes, a pointer to some other Web siteand that IS what the web is suppose to do. 73, Walt/K5YFW -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 3:42 PM To:

RE: [digitalradio] Re: The Internet is Unreliable for Amateur RadioService Emergency Communications

2006-09-14 Thread DuBose Walt Civ AETC CONS/LGCA
I guess you must define unreliable. I get bunches of E-Mail (including SPAM) all at one time...some dated 2-3 days earlier. I have a friend who lives 142 miles (as the crow flies) southeast of me. He can send me an E-Mail at say 10:00 local asking me to get on 40M for a QSO at 15:00.

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ARQ sound card modes

2006-09-14 Thread Patrick Lindecker
Hello, When we were on MS-DOS PC (good old time HI), the clock (and all the hardware in fact) was accessible by program (through registers) and it was easy to determine the error of the PC cristal. I measured in several MS-DOS PC an error of more or less 1/3000, which was not very good, but I

RE: [digitalradio] Re: The Internet is Unreliable for Amateur RadioService Emergency Communications

2006-09-14 Thread wa7nwp
I have a friend who lives 142 miles (as the crow flies) southeast of me. He can send me an E-Mail at say 10:00 local asking me to get on 40M for a QSO at 15:00. Sometimes I don't get the E-Mail until well after the Skd time...and sometimes not at all because his E-Mail service bounces his

[digitalradio] 16QPSK Modulation and Baud

2006-09-14 Thread DuBose Walt Civ AETC CONS/LGCA
Greeings All, How hard is it to demodulate a 16QPSK as compaired to a 8QPSK signal. And I have forgotten but does a 16QPSK signal will allow for 6 bites per cycle? Looking back at some very old hand written notes I took at an HF conference at Scott AFB, IL where Collins-Rockwell, Magnavox and

RE: [digitalradio] Re: The Internet is Unreliable for Amateur RadioService Emergency Communications

2006-09-14 Thread DuBose Walt Civ AETC CONS/LGCA
Bill, I'm not talking about 2-3 minutes or even an hour for delivery...I'm talking about 2-3 days and not being delivered at all or the destination server rejecting my E-Mail. Mis-configured server or mis-configured radio station still equals unreliable/broken. Both are man-made conditions.

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ARQ sound card modes

2006-09-14 Thread KV9U
It is kind of ironic that MS-OS and Linux-OS are further from Real Time OS's than the older software. But even with a +/- 10 ms time (worst case 20 ms from one extreme to the other), wouldn't you just have to have a little bit longer window than existing ARQ modes in order to succeed? I think

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ARQ sound card modes

2006-09-14 Thread kd4e
It is kind of ironic that MS-OS and Linux-OS are further from Real Time OS's than the older software. Where is this data found? Is documented as true of all distributions of Linux or only the more popular and bloated (RedHat, SUse, Mandriva, etc)? What about Apple? But even with a +/- 10

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ARQ sound card modes

2006-09-14 Thread John Becker
I think this thread is about dead. WHAT WE KNOW AT THIS MOMENT: A computer will not work for a fast ARQ mode because every time it does anything else that timing link is lost. FIX: If you would like to play the AQR modes better get yourself some hardware (TNC) . Need a Digital mode

[digitalradio] Re: ARQ sound card modes

2006-09-14 Thread Dave Bernstein
That's not true, John. SCS multimode controllers do a fine job with Pactor-2 and Pactor-3, both of which utilize ARQ. These protocols are implemented in software running on a computer -- one of the 68K variants, as I recall. The impediment to running ARQ protocols on Windows PCs is the absence

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ARQ sound card modes

2006-09-14 Thread John Becker
I have a P 2 3 TNC. Dave are you telling me that software is doing that same thing and just as good? If so I have not seen a thing being said about with any of the QSO's that I have had in the past. At 09:08 PM 9/14/2006, you wrote: That's not true, John. SCS multimode controllers do a fine

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ARQ sound card modes

2006-09-14 Thread John Becker
I knew that. So is my AEA TNC that I got back in 1988 Bottom line - there is *NO* computer running software with out any hardware (TNC) that will do the same right? At 09:45 PM 9/14/2006, you wrote: Yes. Open up your P 2 3 TNC, and you will find a microprocessor. That microprocessor

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ARQ sound card modes

2006-09-14 Thread KV9U
John, Not only is this not dead ... it is only the begining. If you have followed the discussions, you know that ARQ modes not only can, but have already been implemented on sound card modes in at least two cases. One for Linux and one for Windows. Many of us have done all the hardware stuff

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ARQ sound card modes

2006-09-14 Thread KV9U
Dave, I am comparing current mainstream versions to the older ones. Examples would be Windows XP vs. MS-DOS also, any of the popular Linux versions whether Fedora or Ubuntu or SUSE vs. the early versions. There are RT versions as you note, but they are not used for typical end users who want

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ARQ sound card modes

2006-09-14 Thread John Becker
At 10:05 PM 9/14/2006, you wrote: John, Not only is this not dead ... it is only the begining. If you have followed the discussions, you know that ARQ modes not only can, but have already been implemented on sound card modes in at least two cases. One for Linux and one for Windows. Yes I

[digitalradio] Re: ARQ sound card modes

2006-09-14 Thread Dave Bernstein
AA6YQ comments below --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, John Becker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I knew that. So is my AEA TNC that I got back in 1988 Bottom line - there is *NO* computer running software with out any hardware (TNC) that will do the same right? Wrong. SCAMP, a

[digitalradio] Re: ARQ sound card modes

2006-09-14 Thread Dave Bernstein
By definition Hardware solutions do not include dedicated microprocessors. They use non-programmable control mechanisms, e.g. finite state machines, stepping relays, or cam shafts. 73, Dave, AA6YQ --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, KV9U [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John, Not

[digitalradio] Re: ARQ sound card modes

2006-09-14 Thread Dave Bernstein
That's fine, Rick. The issue is specialization, not regression. Its not obvious to me why one couldn't build a desktop Linux around a realtime kernel. 73, Dave, AA6YQ --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, KV9U [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave, I am comparing current mainstream

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ARQ sound card modes

2006-09-14 Thread John Champa
Yes, and he'll be a European. From: KV9U [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: ARQ sound card modes Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 22:05:40 -0500 John, Not only is this not dead ... it is only the begining. If you have