[digitalradio] Re: Movement toward open digital software?

2007-01-13 Thread Frank Brickle
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "Simon Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am *not* making it open source, only the decoding DLL's. The UI will never > be open source as it uses copyrighted code. Copyright and Open Source are not opposites. Copyright ownership is the precise legal foundat

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Movement toward open digital software?

2007-01-13 Thread kd4e
> You are poorly informed, Doc. Condemning others > based on what you've been told is risky business. The attitude of condemnation has been somewhat one-sided, and not from my side. I made a simple *observation* based on 30 years of experience with computers without the intention of it turning

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Movement toward open digital software?

2007-01-13 Thread KV9U
It is difficult to work in a particular field and then come home and do the same thing. As an electronics enthusiastic from a very early age, due to a series of life events, I eventually wound up building a small audiovisual/electronics/computer repair shop for an educational agency. We even di

[digitalradio] Re: Movement toward open digital software?

2007-01-13 Thread Dave Bernstein
Unless you have a monolithic approach in mind, you'll need a fast platform-independent IPC mechanism. 73, Dave, AA6YQ --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "Leigh L Klotz, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > A couple of random observations > - UI is the hardest part > - next is devic

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Movement toward open digital software?

2007-01-13 Thread kd4e
> - A Java digimode program sure would be nice. I have a few pieces done > and would be pleased to work with others, but there are still people > (Win/Lin/Mac/BSD who won't use Java) > Leigh/WA5ZNU Are you familiar with tcl/tk? I am not. Many apps being used successfully with Puppy Linux use

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Movement toward open digital software?

2007-01-13 Thread Leigh L Klotz, Jr.
A couple of random observations - UI is the hardest part - next is device interface (sound cards, RS232) though the effort to abstract that out pales in comparison to the problem of providing a best-of-breed UI for different platforms - Adobe has many hundreds of programmers working on Photoshop

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Pactor versus Olivia

2007-01-13 Thread N2QZ
KV9U wrote: > If it is the same protocol as B1F, was the reason for developing it, > that the B1F did not have the needed exchange to work with Winlink 2000? I'm not really sure what that means, and I'm pretty sure I didn't say B2F is the same protocol as B1F. Only the compression is the same.

[digitalradio] Re: Movement toward open digital software?

2007-01-13 Thread Dave Bernstein
Yes, cross-platform development requires an "extra effort" -- just as putting a man on the moon requires an "extra effort" compared with climbing a tree. You are poorly informed, Doc. Condemning others based on what you've been told is risky business. Some developers are used to this sort of i

[digitalradio] Re: hamlib.org domain expiring in 10 days - Support Hamlib!

2007-01-13 Thread kd4e
> I've been paying for the hamlib.org domain since 2002. It's not very > expensive (14.35 EUR one year), and I remember some of you asked how > to support the hamlib development. Maybe this is an opportunity > to get involved if money is not a problem for you. There's a > "Renew" link below, and

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Movement toward open digital software?

2007-01-13 Thread Brad Gillis
Hello Simon, I want to thank you for the great software and as somebody who has actually attempted a little programming (with mixed results) I know the amount of time and effort you have put into the software. I usually run a beta version of your software and find your beta version runs bet

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Pactor versus Olivia

2007-01-13 Thread Leigh L Klotz, Jr.
There is already a degree of Huffman-type compression in PSK31 via the Varicode, where the number of bits per symbol depends on symbol frequency. Compression that depends on the text that went before it could be more efficient, but would lead to total loss of the following text in the ecent of

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Movement toward open digital software?

2007-01-13 Thread Simon Brown
- Original Message - From: "kd4e" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> I have never met anyone who has developed multi-platform software who >> claims >> it is as easy as those who haven't :-) >> Simon Brown, HB9DRV > > Who said anything about "easy"? I bang my head against a large lump of concrete

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Movement toward open digital software?

2007-01-13 Thread kd4e
> I have never met anyone who has developed multi-platform software who claims > it is as easy as those who haven't :-) > Simon Brown, HB9DRV Who said anything about "easy"? -- Thanks! & 73, doc, KD4E ~~ Projects: http://ham-macguyver.bibleseven

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Movement toward open digital software?

2007-01-13 Thread kd4e
> Peter is mostly correct about this. Microsoft is not involved in this > issue at all. If a vendor does not see a market for their product with a > given OS, they just are not going to spend the money needed to develop > that driver. I am not into conspiracies even the public attacks against L

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Pactor versus Olivia

2007-01-13 Thread KV9U
If it is the same protocol as B1F, was the reason for developing it, that the B1F did not have the needed exchange to work with Winlink 2000? So it is basically an extended version to do more "things" that they need to have it do? I don't think that I am fully understanding what your code is be

[digitalradio] Re: Movement toward open digital software?

2007-01-13 Thread jgorman01
It's not that the distro's are not compatible. Distributions by the different vendors, i.e. redhat, mandrake, suse, puppy, etc. pretty much use the same linux kernels, libraries, and software. They are generally just different conglomerations of software based upon what the distro is aimed at. W

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Pactor versus Olivia

2007-01-13 Thread KV9U
The Winlink 2000 promoter brings up B2F from time to time with the claim that this is what makes their system have the extra efficiency. But apparently this is a bit overstated. Is it possible to use more compression in the current keyboard modes or is Varicode about as good as can be expected?

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Movement toward open digital software?

2007-01-13 Thread KV9U
Peter is mostly correct about this. Microsoft is not involved in this issue at all. If a vendor does not see a market for their product with a given OS, they just are not going to spend the money needed to develop that driver. However, my understanding is that in some cases it is not the vendor

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Pactor versus Olivia

2007-01-13 Thread Paul L Schmidt, K9PS
Leigh L. Klotz, Jr. wrote: > But why stop there, as you say? I'm reasonably sure someone's already > done this (from the scores I see in the contest logs) but it should be > possible to totally automate the RTTY contests. With wide-band SDR > receivers (and transmitters for that matter) it oug

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Pactor versus Olivia

2007-01-13 Thread Jose A. Amador
Not bad...but quite a few DXpeditions and less luck people cannot rely on full time Internet. This is ham radio... Jose CO2JA Dave Bernstein wrote: > > Why stop there, Leigh? With the use of QRZ.com and weather.com to > independently determine name, QTH, and weather conditions, you coul

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Pactor versus Olivia

2007-01-13 Thread Jose A. Amador
I am afraid it is as Rein says. FBB, which uses B1F compression (hope I remember right) does not compress the sysop keyboard, but just the BBS traffic. JNOS has a compressed ttylink mode that uses LZW and has never worked for me (compile errors), but which might provide an edge. PTC-II boxes

Re: [digitalradio] MIL-STD-188-110A modem, rfsm2400 software

2007-01-13 Thread Andrew O'Brien
I'll listen for you Steinar, Andy K3UK in New York State On 1/13/07, Steinar Aanesland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, I am qrv on 14.109,5 USB this evening. Listen for any call. 73 de LA5VNA Steinar http:// rfsm2400.aanesland.com -- Andy K3UK Skype Me : callto://andyobrien73 www.o

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Movement toward open digital software?

2007-01-13 Thread kd4e
> I am referring to your assertion that the impediment is programmers > who are inadequately competent to make their apps cross-platform > compatible. Please explain the rationale behind this claim. > 73, Dave, AA6YQ Oh, that is easy. Three sources: 1. Programmers who have told me directly t

[digitalradio] MIL-STD-188-110A modem, rfsm2400 software

2007-01-13 Thread Steinar Aanesland
Hi, I am qrv on 14.109,5 USB this evening. Listen for any call. 73 de LA5VNA Steinar http:// rfsm2400.aanesland.com

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Movement toward open digital software?

2007-01-13 Thread Simon Brown
- Original Message - From: "Simon Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Some amateurs actually get software written and others who just complain. > Sorry, typo in the message, should have said: ".. and others who are destined for management". Now back to monitoring 15m PSK. Simon Brown, HB9D