Re: [digitalradio] USA; Baud Limit = 300 Symbols Per Second (HF Digital Data)

2006-09-01 Thread KV9U
Walt, There are typically "layers" of stations on many of the bands. It depends upon your antenna system and to a certain extent, operator skill, when attempting to work really weak stations. It is not uncommon for wall to wall signals where you can not find a decent open area. Not to mention

RE: [digitalradio] USA; Baud Limit = 300 Symbols Per Second (HF Digital Data)

2006-09-01 Thread DuBose Walt Civ AETC CONS/LGCA
If we do, I believe that we have adequate space for even some 10 KHz bandwidth modes. 73, Walt/K5YFW -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 11:42 AM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [digitalradio] U

RE: [digitalradio] USA; Baud Limit = 300 Symbols Per Second (HF Digital Data)

2006-09-01 Thread Mark Miller
>I wasn't picking on Pawel at all...I just used MT63 as an example. Walt, I understand. My diatribe was to make the point that the occupied bandwidth has a bearing on the general acceptance of a mode. 73, Mark N5RFX Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Ot

RE: [digitalradio] USA; Baud Limit = 300 Symbols Per Second (HF Digital Data)

2006-09-01 Thread DuBose Walt Civ AETC CONS/LGCA
gitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [digitalradio] USA; Baud Limit = 300 Symbols Per Second (HF Digital Data) >So what would be the difference if I transmitted 64 tones/carriers each >modulated at 300 baud but transmitted them through one transmitter or 64 >tones/carriers through 64 tr

RE: [digitalradio] USA; Baud Limit = 300 Symbols Per Second (HF Digital Data)

2006-09-01 Thread Mark Miller
>So what would be the difference if I transmitted 64 tones/carriers each >modulated at 300 baud but transmitted them through one transmitter or 64 >tones/carriers through 64 transmitters into one antenna? Walt, From a regulatory standpoint I don't think there is a problem. I think that Paw

RE: [digitalradio] USA; Baud Limit = 300 Symbols Per Second (HF Digital Data)

2006-09-01 Thread DuBose Walt Civ AETC CONS/LGCA
-Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 11:56 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] USA; Baud Limit = 300 Symbols Per Second (HF Digital Data) [stuff deleted] This might be true if the 64

Re: [digitalradio] USA; Baud Limit = 300 Symbols Per Second (HF Digital Data)

2006-09-01 Thread Mark Miller
>There is no equipment for the emission >to be FSK or PSK. This should read there is no requirement for the emission to be FSK or PSK. 73, Mark N5RFX Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/g

Re: [digitalradio] USA; Baud Limit = 300 Symbols Per Second (HF Digital Data)

2006-08-31 Thread Mark Miller
>When you say the "entire waveform is one symbol," could you expand that >a bit. What do you mean by "the waveform." Do you mean the total >waveform of the emission spread out over the l KHz or 2 KHz bandwidth? Yes I mean the total waveform of the emission spread out over the 1 KHz or 2 KHz band

Re: [digitalradio] USA; Baud Limit = 300 Symbols Per Second (HF Digital Data)

2006-08-31 Thread KV9U
Mark and group, When you say the "entire waveform is one symbol," could you expand that a bit. What do you mean by "the waveform." Do you mean the total waveform of the emission spread out over the l KHz or 2 KHz bandwidth? I am probably just not understanding this correctly but if there are 64

Re: [digitalradio] USA; Baud Limit = 300 Symbols Per Second (HF Digital Data)

2006-08-31 Thread Mark Miller
A-63 is legal on the ham bands, since each tone runs at 10 or 20 >baud depending upon the commonly used versions of this mode, but has 64 >tones, it would seem that it is running well over 300 baud when you >consider the entire waveform. The entire waveform is one symbol. There are 10 symbols per

RE: [digitalradio] USA; Baud Limit = 300 Symbols Per Second (HF Digital Data)

2006-08-31 Thread DuBose Walt Civ AETC CONS/LGCA
book used to be available from the Air Force MARS Library at Scott AFB. Walt/K5YFW -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 11:25 AM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] USA; Baud Limit = 300 Sym

Re: [digitalradio] USA; Baud Limit = 300 Symbols Per Second (HF Digital Data)

2006-08-31 Thread KV9U
Bonnie, If MT-63 is legal on the ham bands, since each tone runs at 10 or 20 baud depending upon the commonly used versions of this mode, but has 64 tones, it would seem that it is running well over 300 baud when you consider the entire waveform. The question that I need to be clear on is how

RE: [digitalradio] USA; Baud Limit = 300 Symbols Per Second (HF Digital Data)

2006-08-31 Thread DuBose Walt Civ AETC CONS/LGCA
Bonnie and all, I KNOW you wrote this before I sent out my E-Mails this morning...but..."just do it." "Its easier to ask forgiveness that permissions." You have captured what I have said for 3 years now...someone PLEASE (I am begging) for a mode that has X number of tones, 40-50 baud per tone

Re: [digitalradio] USA; Baud Limit = 300 Symbols Per Second (HF Digital Data)

2006-08-30 Thread wa7nwp
> Hopefully, new FCC bandwidth-based rules will throw out the antiquated > 300 baud rule and release USA hams from the technology jail. I've never heard of the FCC citing anybody for using more then 300 baud. Selective Enforcement is, I believe, a legitimate option. Bill Need a Digital mo