[Discuss] Interesting rant about Gnome 3

2013-01-09 Thread John Abreau
This blog post sheds some interesting light on some of the issues many of us have been having withj gnome 3. http://igurublog.wordpress.com/2012/11/05/gnome-et-al-rotting-in-threes/ -- John Abreau / Executive Director, Boston Linux & Unix Email j...@blu.org / WWW http://www.abreau.net / PGP-Ke

Re: [Discuss] OSS licenses (was Home NAS redux)

2013-01-09 Thread John Abreau
Under democracy, citizens are prohibited from seizing power by force and imposing a military dictatorship on their fellow citizens. Under anarchy, citizens are not so prohibited. The equivalent CDDL-type argument would be that anarchy is "more free" because you're not prohibited from taking away e

Re: [Discuss] OSS licenses (was Home NAS redux)

2013-01-09 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (blu)
> From: discuss-bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org [mailto:discuss- > bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org] On Behalf Of John Abreau > > Under democracy, citizens are prohibited from seizing power by force and > imposing a military dictatorship on their fellow citizens. Under anarchy, > citizens are n

Re: [Discuss] data caps

2013-01-09 Thread Jerry Feldman
On 01/08/2013 03:26 PM, Matthew Gillen wrote: > On 01/08/2013 03:13 AM, Tom Metro wrote: >> If you really expect to reach near 100% coverage of households, >> inevitably you would still need government funding for areas where the >> population is too sparse. That still doesn't necessarily mean gove

Re: [Discuss] The perpetual question: current "best" HDD?

2013-01-09 Thread Rich Braun
Dan Ritter suggested: > Seagate and WD both have drives rated for NAS duty at slight ($10-20) > premiums over the They get a better warranty, as well. > > for instance, > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148902 > is $130 rather than $110, for which you get a three year > wa

Re: [Discuss] Interesting rant about Gnome 3

2013-01-09 Thread Rich Pieri
Gnome 4: a beautiful, consistent UI with a single button that doesn't do anything. -- Rich P. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss

Re: [Discuss] Interesting rant about Gnome 3

2013-01-09 Thread Bill Cattey
I couldn't have said it better myself! I have been sorely provoked by the dogma of a GNOME development community hell-bent on defending its ignorance of usability and imposing it on a community that originally embraced GNOME for its open mindedness, and high level of functionality. -Bill On J

Re: [Discuss] The perpetual question: current "best" HDD?

2013-01-09 Thread Derek Atkins
Rich Pieri writes: > Drives categorized for server use will typically have 3-5 year > warranties. The 1-2 year warranties are for desktop drives. Server > drives also cost more for little or no actual benefit other than the > warranty. > > Because disks are consumables these days. Treat them like

Re: [Discuss] OSS licenses (was Home NAS redux)

2013-01-09 Thread Mark Woodward
On 01/09/2013 07:13 AM, Edward Ned Harvey (blu) wrote: From: discuss-bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org [mailto:discuss- bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org] On Behalf Of John Abreau Under democracy, citizens are prohibited from seizing power by force and imposing a military dictatorship on their f

Re: [Discuss] OSS licenses (was Home NAS redux)

2013-01-09 Thread Rich Pieri
On Wed, 9 Jan 2013 05:21:09 -0500 John Abreau wrote: > Under democracy, citizens are prohibited from seizing power by force > and imposing a military dictatorship on their fellow citizens. Under > anarchy, citizens are not so prohibited. This nation was founded by citizens seizing power by force

Re: [Discuss] The perpetual question: current "best" HDD?

2013-01-09 Thread Chris Tyler
On Wed, 2013-01-09 at 11:19 -0500, Derek Atkins wrote: > That is kind of the point, but I'm trying to find ones that *will* last > 3-4 years but wont break the bank today. > > I don't mind buying new drives periodically. But I'm trying to figure > out which ones to buy now. Kinda hard to buy a b

Re: [Discuss] OSS licenses (was Home NAS redux)

2013-01-09 Thread Mark Woodward
On 01/09/2013 11:43 AM, Rich Pieri wrote: Freedom is the state of being without restrictions. That largely depends on your view of society as a whole. Totally unrestrained "freedom" is not possible in populations greater than 1. Oliver Wendel Holmes, Jr quipped "The right to swing my fists e

Re: [Discuss] OSS licenses (was Home NAS redux)

2013-01-09 Thread Rich Pieri
On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 11:57:37 -0500 Mark Woodward wrote: > That largely depends on your view of society as a whole. Totally > unrestrained "freedom" is not possible in populations greater than > 1. Oliver Wendel Holmes, Jr quipped "The right to swing my fists ends > where the other man's nose beg

[Discuss] Internet banking

2013-01-09 Thread Doug
The New York Times has an article on simple.com http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/09/technology/a-financial-service-for-people-fed-up-with-banks.html?src=me&ref=general It looks like the service Mint standing in front of a real bank. I am considering it since I don't do much budgetting with gnucash

Re: [Discuss] OSS licenses (was Home NAS redux)

2013-01-09 Thread Derek Martin
On Wed, Jan 09, 2013 at 11:29:40AM -0500, Mark Woodward wrote: > >>It strikes me as absurd to claim that a system that fails to protect > >>freedom is somehow "more free". There's an assumption here that is wrong. The job of a software license is to protect the rights of the copyright holder whil

Re: [Discuss] satellite Internet vs. fixed wireless

2013-01-09 Thread Tom Metro
Edward Ned Harvey wrote: > Matthew Gillen wrote: >> Another option: >> http://arstechnica.com/business/2013/01/satellite-internet-15mbps-no-matter-where-you-live-in-the-us/ > > ...latency is about a half a second. > > They say that's not good enough for gaming... Rightly so... But > they say f

Re: [Discuss] satellite Internet vs. fixed wireless

2013-01-09 Thread Shirley Márquez Dúlcey
Back in the late 90s there was a consumer fixed-wireless company here in Boston, CAI Wireless. They used MMDS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMDS), now known as Broadband Radio Service. CAI used frequencies in the 2GHz range and sent signals from a few locations in the Boston area; the signal modula

Re: [Discuss] satellite Internet vs. fixed wireless

2013-01-09 Thread Dan Ritter
On Wed, Jan 09, 2013 at 04:54:13PM -0500, Tom Metro wrote: > It makes you wonder what happened to fixed wireless around here? People > were all excited about it back around 2000. I think there are still a > few companies in the Boston area doing expensive fixed-wireless links > for medium+ business

Re: [Discuss] OSS licenses (was Home NAS redux)

2013-01-09 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (blu)
> From: Mark Woodward [mailto:ma...@mohawksoft.com] > > The freedom to deny freedom is NOT a freedom. By combining the FREE > software with NON-FREE software you can create NON-FREE software. This > does not protect FREE software. This is not a freedom of denying freedom. It does not deny any fr

Re: [Discuss] OSS licenses (was Home NAS redux)

2013-01-09 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (blu)
You know - There's something that I've never seen anybody do, and I would rather like to see. Release your code under GPL, and MIT, and CDDL. "Any recipient of this software may choose any of the following licenses. Don't see a license you want? Write to us at ___ and we'll consider releasin

Re: [Discuss] OSS licenses (was Home NAS redux)

2013-01-09 Thread Rich Pieri
On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 01:01:19 + "Edward Ned Harvey (blu)" wrote: > Release your code under GPL, and MIT, and CDDL. "Any recipient of > this software may choose any of the following licenses. Don't see a > license you want? Write to us at ___ and we'll consider releasing it > under that lice

Re: [Discuss] OSS licenses (was Home NAS redux)

2013-01-09 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (blu)
> From: Derek Martin [mailto:inva...@pizzashack.org] > > The job of a software > license is to protect the rights of the copyright holder while > granting privileges to their business associates. Copyright is exactly as the name suggests - the right to copy. Why do we have such a thing as cop

Re: [Discuss] OSS licenses (was Home NAS redux)

2013-01-09 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (blu)
Two developers can define an interface between their programs. If they are using C++, they might both be writing separate classes, which will get compiled into the same file. They could also be writing separate classes which will be compiled into separate files, but still interact with each ot

Re: [Discuss] satellite Internet vs. fixed wireless

2013-01-09 Thread Matt Shields
On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 6:00 PM, Dan Ritter wrote: > On Wed, Jan 09, 2013 at 04:54:13PM -0500, Tom Metro wrote: > > It makes you wonder what happened to fixed wireless around here? People > > were all excited about it back around 2000. I think there are still a > > few companies in the Boston area

Re: [Discuss] OSS licenses (was Home NAS redux)

2013-01-09 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (blu)
Should the FSF feel compelled to go sue GitHub? And should they be entitled to any settlement they extort out of GitHub? GitHub sells a virtual appliance, which is a single executable binary file, compiled from a bunch of GPL based software including the Linux kernel and git, and also includes

Re: [Discuss] satellite Internet vs. fixed wireless

2013-01-09 Thread Tom Metro
I wrote: > But that hadn't happened. Because [satellite Internet] isn't a viable > option. I forgot to mention one of the other technologies that adds further evidence to satellite being inadequate - the various schemes to put balloons, blimps, and drones at low elevations with radio relays. On t

Re: [Discuss] OSS licenses (was Home NAS redux)

2013-01-09 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (blu)
I'm going to download some GPL source code, and compile it into a binary. This is just a serial sequence of bytes. I'm going to take that sequence of bytes, and store it as a data structure inside my non-GPL binary, and distribute the non-GPL binary. Clearly, I'm in violation of the terms of

Re: [Discuss] OSS licenses (was Home NAS redux)

2013-01-09 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (blu)
> Media boundaries, as well as file boundaries, are meaningless. In fact, they > are one and the same. Gawd, I can't believe there's still MORE to say about this. Beating a dead horse, about the total complete insignificance of file and media boundaries. Now how about if I store something in A

Re: [Discuss] Interesting rant about Gnome 3

2013-01-09 Thread Brendan Kidwell
On Wednesday, January 9, 2013, John Abreau wrote: > This blog post sheds some interesting light on some of the issues many of > us have been having withj gnome 3. > > Wow. This explains a lot. Like why Netbeans was broken in Gnome 3 and Cinnamon, reported fixed, and in my experience this weekend,

Re: [Discuss] OSS licenses (was Home NAS redux)

2013-01-09 Thread John Abreau
That's a great series of arguments. Describe a bunch of things that the GPL doesn't do, assert that the GPL *should* do those things, and use that assertion to support an argument that GPL is "less free". This latest rant is decidedly less interesting than the recent Gnome 3 rant. On Wed, Jan 9

[Discuss] Returned to the NVIDIA fold

2013-01-09 Thread Rich Braun
After last month's Intel CedarView driver debacle, and at Tom's suggestion to dig through the MythTV forum for comments about graphic cards, I chose a new system. The MythTV forums are relatively quiet on this topic, so I had to make an educated guess. The product I chose is the Zotac Zbox ID80,