Re: [Discuss] Competition of broadband

2011-12-06 Thread Richard Pieri
On Dec 6, 2011, at 6:08 PM, Bill Horne wrote: > > Well, if Verizon is so eager, why isn't FiOS available in a /very/ well-to-do > bedroom community like Sharon? Because the residents of Sharon as a majority didn't wanted FiOS and rebuffed Verizon's FiOS offers. They liked getting their Comcast

Re: [Discuss] Competition of broadband

2011-12-06 Thread Bill Horne
On 12/5/2011 7:50 PM, Richard Pieri wrote: On Dec 4, 2011, at 7:49 PM, Bill Horne wrote: Two words: time and materials. Verizon won't compete with Comcast for broadband, because they'd have to complete their network with today's labor rates. Say what?! Verizon has been very aggressively push

Re: [Discuss] Competition of broadband

2011-12-06 Thread Bill Horne
On 12/5/2011 7:16 PM, Tom Metro wrote: The alternate approach taken by European governments was mentioned earlier in this thread. I highly recommend watching this video on the topic: http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/28/why-is-european-broadband-faster-and-cheaper-blame-the-governme/ (A variation

Re: [Discuss] Competition of broadband

2011-12-05 Thread Richard Pieri
On Dec 4, 2011, at 7:49 PM, Bill Horne wrote: > > Two words: time and materials. > > Verizon won't compete with Comcast for broadband, because they'd have to > complete their network with today's labor rates. Say what?! Verizon has been very aggressively pushing FiOS. Perhaps not everywhere,

Re: [Discuss] Competition of broadband

2011-12-05 Thread Tom Metro
The alternate approach taken by European governments was mentioned earlier in this thread. I highly recommend watching this video on the topic: http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/28/why-is-european-broadband-faster-and-cheaper-blame-the-governme/ (A variation of it ran on PBS earlier this year.) It

Re: [Discuss] Competition of broadband

2011-12-05 Thread edwardp
Jerry Feldman wrote: On 12/04/2011 05:14 PM, Richard Pieri wrote: On Dec 4, 2011, at 11:00 AM, Ben Eisenbraun wrote: My understanding of the spat between Curtatone and Verizon is that it stems from his opposition to Verizon's desire to negotiate video franchises on the state and not city level

Re: [Discuss] Competition of broadband

2011-12-05 Thread Jerry Feldman
On 12/04/2011 05:14 PM, Richard Pieri wrote: On Dec 4, 2011, at 11:00 AM, Ben Eisenbraun wrote: My understanding of the spat between Curtatone and Verizon is that it stems from his opposition to Verizon's desire to negotiate video franchises on the state and not city level. Verizon keeps pushing

Re: [Discuss] Competition of broadband

2011-12-04 Thread Bill Horne
On 12/4/2011 6:39 PM, Richard Pieri wrote: On Dec 4, 2011, at 5:25 PM, Bill Bogstad wrote: (a monopoly/pork barrel funding). I'm sure that if Verizon was willing to pay the same kind of fees that Comcast does that they could find politicians willing to switch horses. Two words: franchise fees

Re: [Discuss] Competition of broadband

2011-12-04 Thread Richard Pieri
On Dec 4, 2011, at 5:25 PM, Bill Bogstad wrote: > > (a monopoly/pork barrel funding). I'm sure that if Verizon was > willing to pay the same kind of fees that Comcast does that they could > find politicians willing to switch horses. Two words: franchise fees. --Rich P. ___

Re: [Discuss] Competition of broadband

2011-12-04 Thread Bill Bogstad
On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 5:14 PM, Richard Pieri wrote: > On Dec 4, 2011, at 11:00 AM, Ben Eisenbraun wrote: >> >> My understanding of the spat between Curtatone and Verizon is that it stems >> from his opposition to Verizon's desire to negotiate video franchises on the >> state and not city level. V

Re: [Discuss] Competition of broadband

2011-12-04 Thread Richard Pieri
On Dec 4, 2011, at 11:00 AM, Ben Eisenbraun wrote: > > My understanding of the spat between Curtatone and Verizon is that it stems > from his opposition to Verizon's desire to negotiate video franchises on the > state and not city level. Verizon keeps pushing legislation on this issue, > e.g: Ver

Re: [Discuss] Competition of broadband

2011-12-04 Thread Matt Shields
On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 9:08 AM, Jerry Feldman wrote: > On 12/02/2011 07:44 PM, Richard Pieri wrote: > >> I see that Bill H. says that TV service isn't an issue for him, but it is >> one. In fact, TV service is the root of how broadband is deployed in >> Massachusetts. >> >> Back in the 1970s, whe

Re: [Discuss] Competition of broadband

2011-12-04 Thread Stephen Ronan
Time to go back to sleep for another 100 years to see if anything new develops. ... ZZZz I'm hoping that NetBlazr can make a go of it... Very fine group trying hard and intelligently, starting in Boston, to do so... Stephen Ronan

Re: [Discuss] Competition of broadband

2011-12-04 Thread Jack Coats
And at the basis of the cable laws are telecom laws that are even more antiquated, and companies like AT&T/Verizon/Sprint are working ever so hard to keep it that way. I still can't get high speed connectivity, and yes, we (and everyone else) pays their $1/connection/month so I can have it. And a

Re: [Discuss] Competition of broadband

2011-12-04 Thread Ben Eisenbraun
On Sun, Dec 04, 2011 at 10:36:56AM -0500, Richard Pieri wrote: > On Dec 4, 2011, at 9:08 AM, Jerry Feldman wrote: > > The bottom line is there is a hodgepodge of old laws on the books. > > I say that the bottom line is Mayors Tom and Joe are wholly owned > subsidiaries of Comcast Corporation. If

Re: [Discuss] Competition of broadband

2011-12-04 Thread Richard Pieri
On Dec 4, 2011, at 9:08 AM, Jerry Feldman wrote: > > I believe that AT&T Broadband was divested by AT&T before Southwestern Bell > acquired AT&T. Sorry, yes, that's correct. I'm not sure why I mentioned Southwestern Bell in that since they weren't involved. Probably just general tiredness.

Re: [Discuss] Competition of broadband

2011-12-04 Thread Jerry Feldman
On 12/02/2011 07:44 PM, Richard Pieri wrote: I see that Bill H. says that TV service isn't an issue for him, but it is one. In fact, TV service is the root of how broadband is deployed in Massachusetts. Back in the 1970s, when cable TV was new around here, the MA legislature decided to leave s

Re: [Discuss] Competition of broadband

2011-12-04 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
> From: Ben Eisenbraun [mailto:b...@klatsch.org] > > The only reason network providers build network to unprofitable areas, i.e. > low-density, rural areas, is because regulations force them to. It has > absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with how much they are charging the > high-density, profit

Re: [Discuss] Competition of broadband

2011-12-03 Thread Ben Eisenbraun
On Sat, Dec 03, 2011 at 02:08:52PM -0500, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: > > From: Dan O'Donovan > > > > In the UK I could get all you can eat BB ADSL at 20Mb (advertised) > > speeds for £75 == $117 a YEAR (including setup costs). > > > > Here in the US I (can only) get comcast's $60 a month 'deal' whi

Re: [Discuss] Competition of broadband

2011-12-03 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
> From: discuss-bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org [mailto:discuss- > bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org] On Behalf Of Dan O'Donovan > > In the UK I could get all you can eat BB ADSL at 20Mb (advertised) speeds for > £75 == $117 a YEAR (including setup costs). > > Here in the US I (can only) get co

Re: [Discuss] Competition of broadband

2011-12-02 Thread Richard Pieri
I see that Bill H. says that TV service isn't an issue for him, but it is one. In fact, TV service is the root of how broadband is deployed in Massachusetts. Back in the 1970s, when cable TV was new around here, the MA legislature decided to leave service carrier choice up to individual cities a

Re: [Discuss] Competition of broadband

2011-12-02 Thread Ben Eisenbraun
On Fri, Dec 02, 2011 at 04:23:47PM -0500, Bill Horne wrote: > On 12/2/2011 11:04 AM, Rich Braun wrote: > > Welcome to the rise of the Chicago School of business thought, which boils > > down to handing all the marbles to the biggest, most boastful kid with the > > expectation that he'll create pros

Re: [Discuss] Competition of broadband

2011-12-02 Thread Dan O'Donovan
>> Fixing the industry to create more competition would be remarkably difficult >> these days. > > You are assuming that "the industry" needs "fixing", and I don't think "the > industry" is > as monolithic or as in need of repair as you imply. In the UK I could get all you can eat BB ADSL at 20M

Re: [Discuss] Competition of broadband

2011-12-02 Thread Bill Horne
On 12/2/2011 11:04 AM, Rich Braun wrote: Kyle Leslie wrote: many of the cities signed a contract with Comcast so they would be the only provider of "Broadband" internet Edward Ned Harvey wrote: This is pretty much the way all broadband is deployed nationwide, and it's done on a per-town or pe

Re: [Discuss] Competition of broadband

2011-12-02 Thread Rich Braun
Kyle Leslie wrote: >> many of the cities signed a contract with Comcast so they >> would be the only provider of "Broadband" internet Edward Ned Harvey wrote: >> This is pretty much the way all broadband is deployed nationwide, >> and it's done on a per-town or per-city basis. Hsuanyeh Chang no