Re: [tdf-discuss] [UI] Splash screen

2010-10-28 Thread Ivan M.
Hi Mirek, On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 5:42 AM, Mirek M. wrote: > Hi everyone, > Here's my proposal on how to replace the splash screen: > http://clickortap.wordpress.com/2010/10/28/splash/. It's fantastic to see your creativity being unleashed here. I really hope we can see some of these ideas in Li

Re: [tdf-discuss] Copyright Assignments & the Document Foundation

2010-10-28 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi all, BRM wrote (29-10-10 00:41) From: Thorsten Behrens BRM wrote: The Linux Kernel guys don't require it; KDE E.v. does. Both methods have their pros and cons. Hi, just a very small correction here - KDE e.V. does not require it, it is optional to sign their FLA (a trait shared among

Re: [tdf-discuss] [UI] Splash screen

2010-10-28 Thread Christoph Noack
Hi Mirek! Am Donnerstag, den 28.10.2010, 18:42 +0200 schrieb Mirek M.: > Hi everyone, > Here's my proposal on how to replace the splash screen: > http://clickortap.wordpress.com/2010/10/28/splash/. Here are some similar proposals that have been collected for the OOo StartCenter quite some time a

Re: [tdf-discuss] UI proposal

2010-10-28 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-28 17:45, RGB ES a écrit : The only reason to see tab stops and other formatting codes is if you need to *interact* with them: if you have a good set of paragraph styles the ability to "see" tab stops and other formatting codes is useless. So, all the concepts presented in this thread

Re: [tdf-discuss] Copyright Assignments & the Document Foundation

2010-10-28 Thread todd rme
On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 9:18 AM, Charles-H. Schulz < charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org> wrote: > Hello all, (apologies for this quite long email) > > I would like to discuss a bit the position of the Document Foundation > with respect to copyright assignments. I understand there have been > qu

Re: [tdf-discuss] Copyright Assignments & the Document Foundation

2010-10-28 Thread BRM
- Original Message > From: Thorsten Behrens > To: discuss@documentfoundation.org > Sent: Thu, October 28, 2010 5:37:19 PM > Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Copyright Assignments & the Document Foundation > > BRM wrote: > > The Linux Kernel guys don't require it; KDE E.v. does. Both methods

Re: [tdf-discuss] UI proposal

2010-10-28 Thread Andy Brown
On Thu Oct 28 2010 14:45:36 GMT-0700 (PDT) RGB ES wrote: The only reason to see tab stops and other formatting codes is if you need to *interact* with them: if you have a good set of paragraph styles the ability to "see" tab stops and other formatting codes is useless. So, all the concepts prese

Re: [tdf-discuss] Better defaults

2010-10-28 Thread Christoph Noack
Hi Sveinn! Am Donnerstag, den 28.10.2010, 07:52 + schrieb Sveinn í Felli: > > Anyway, I think also that a request of registration during > installation [...] > > +1 > > Maybe such a popup, asking whether one would like to > register and/or send usage data, should be activated a bit > later

Re: [tdf-discuss] UI proposal

2010-10-28 Thread RGB ES
The only reason to see tab stops and other formatting codes is if you need to *interact* with them: if you have a good set of paragraph styles the ability to "see" tab stops and other formatting codes is useless. So, all the concepts presented in this thread seems to be geared towards direct format

Re: [tdf-discuss] Copyright Assignments & the Document Foundation

2010-10-28 Thread Thorsten Behrens
BRM wrote: > The Linux Kernel guys don't require it; KDE E.v. does. Both methods have > their > pros and cons. > Hi, just a very small correction here - KDE e.V. does not require it, it is optional to sign their FLA (a trait shared among other FLOSS projects, e.g. the Python Foundation acts simi

Re: [tdf-discuss] Copyright Assignments & the Document Foundation

2010-10-28 Thread BRM
- Original Message > From: Charles-H. Schulz > Le Thu, 28 Oct 2010 07:12:59 -0700 (PDT), > BRM a écrit : > > > From: Charles-H. Schulz > > > 4) the notion that we cannot change license because we don't have > > > copyright assignment needs to be put to rest once and for all > >

Re: [tdf-discuss] UI proposal

2010-10-28 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-28 12:38, Johannes Bausch a écrit : I really like the idea. Many new people (children) who start working with an office suite don't know what tabs are (well, at least that's what I encountered). Seeing them as dynamic whitespace like this would be a great help. Maybe this could be enha

Re: [tdf-discuss] [UI] Splash screen

2010-10-28 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-28 13:42, Ercole Carpanetto a écrit : On 28 October 2010 18:42, Mirek M. wrote: Hi everyone, Here's my proposal on how to replace the splash screen: http://clickortap.wordpress.com/2010/10/28/splash/. The Start Center would lose the standard chrome of LibO and stand as a very lightwe

Re: [tdf-discuss] Idea: Help publication utils in Writer and export and import

2010-10-28 Thread Harold Fuchs
Mirek M. wrote: Hi Andras, 2010/10/28 Andras Timar 2010.10.28. 16:12 keltezéssel, Leif Lodahl írta: Perhaps we should just consider to change the help system from the proprietary html-wanne-be system to a pure HTML based system. I think such systems already exists in license compatible ver

Re: [tdf-discuss] UI proposal

2010-10-28 Thread Michel Gagnon
Le 2010-10-28 05:29, Mirek M. a écrit : Hi Michel, 2010/10/28 Michel Gagnon Le 2010-10-27 12:11, Mirek M. a écrit : Hey everyone, New post about managing tabs without rulers: http://clickortap.wordpress.com/2010/10/27/citrus-tabs/ Maybe I am too traditionalist, but I really don't like the

Re: [tdf-discuss] Idea: Help publication utils in Writer and export and import

2010-10-28 Thread Mirek M.
Hi Andras, 2010/10/28 Andras Timar > 2010.10.28. 16:12 keltezéssel, Leif Lodahl írta: > > Perhaps we should just consider to change the help system from the > > proprietary html-wanne-be system to a pure HTML based system. I think > such > > systems already exists in license compatible versions.

Re: [tdf-discuss] Idea: Help publication utils in Writer and export and import

2010-10-28 Thread Andras Timar
2010.10.28. 16:12 keltezéssel, Leif Lodahl írta: > Perhaps we should just consider to change the help system from the > proprietary html-wanne-be system to a pure HTML based system. I think such > systems already exists in license compatible versions. But I'm not sure. The current help system is f

Re: [tdf-discuss] Idea: Help publication utils in Writer and export and import

2010-10-28 Thread Andras Timar
2010.10.28. 14:50 keltezéssel, Kálmán „KAMI” Szalai írta: > Hi! > > It is not easy to maintain the help such big application like > LibreOffice. We might create tools in Writer that helps such publication > work. Also we may create export/import filter to produce and process > help content. > Did

Re: [tdf-discuss] UI proposal

2010-10-28 Thread Mirek M.
Hi Johannes, 2010/10/28 Johannes Bausch > I really like the idea. Many new people (children) who start working > with an office suite don't know what tabs are (well, at least that's > what I encountered). Seeing them as dynamic whitespace like this would > be a great help. Maybe this could be en

Re: [tdf-discuss] [UI] Splash screen

2010-10-28 Thread Ercole Carpanetto
On 28 October 2010 18:42, Mirek M. wrote: > Hi everyone, > Here's my proposal on how to replace the splash screen: > http://clickortap.wordpress.com/2010/10/28/splash/. > The Start Center would lose the standard chrome of LibO and stand as a very > lightweight application that opens while LibO loa

Re: [tdf-discuss] [UI] Splash screen

2010-10-28 Thread Mirek M.
2010/10/28 Johannes Bausch > I adore the Citrus UI stuff. Absolutely amazing. > It reminds me a bit of a dtp rather than an office suite, which is > good. And it also reminds me of Adobe Lightroom (also very good). > The idea of a standalone app is good, but it could also already load > stuff whi

Re: [tdf-discuss] [UI] Splash screen

2010-10-28 Thread Johannes Bausch
I adore the Citrus UI stuff. Absolutely amazing. It reminds me a bit of a dtp rather than an office suite, which is good. And it also reminds me of Adobe Lightroom (also very good). The idea of a standalone app is good, but it could also already load stuff which is needed for writer or calc (depend

[tdf-discuss] [UI] Splash screen

2010-10-28 Thread Mirek M.
Hi everyone, Here's my proposal on how to replace the splash screen: http://clickortap.wordpress.com/2010/10/28/splash/. The Start Center would lose the standard chrome of LibO and stand as a very lightweight application that opens while LibO loads, removing the need for a splash screen. For indivi

Re: [tdf-discuss] UI proposal

2010-10-28 Thread Johannes Bausch
I really like the idea. Many new people (children) who start working with an office suite don't know what tabs are (well, at least that's what I encountered). Seeing them as dynamic whitespace like this would be a great help. Maybe this could be enhanced even further: why not making it rescalable w

Re: [tdf-discuss] Copyright Assignments & the Document Foundation

2010-10-28 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Hello BRM, Le Thu, 28 Oct 2010 07:12:59 -0700 (PDT), BRM a écrit : > - Original Message > > > From: Charles-H. Schulz > > 4) the notion that we cannot change license because we don't have > > copyright assignment needs to be put to rest once and for all > > today. There is a very s

Re: [tdf-discuss] Idea: Help publication utils in Writer and export and import

2010-10-28 Thread Mirek M.
Hi Marc, 2010/10/28 Marc Paré > Le 2010-10-28 10:12, Leif Lodahl a écrit : > > Perhaps we should just consider to change the help system from the >> proprietary html-wanne-be system to a pure HTML based system. I think such >> systems already exists in license compatible versions. But I'm not s

Re: [tdf-discuss] Copyright Assignments & the Document Foundation

2010-10-28 Thread Gianluca Turconi
Charles-H. Schulz wrote: 4) the notion that we cannot change license because we don't have copyright assignment needs to be put to rest once and for all today. There is a very simple explanation with respect to this issue; ask any lawyer and he/she will confirm this: Sun/Oracle has licensed the O

Re: [tdf-discuss] Idea: Help publication utils in Writer and export and import

2010-10-28 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-28 10:12, Leif Lodahl a écrit : Perhaps we should just consider to change the help system from the proprietary html-wanne-be system to a pure HTML based system. I think such systems already exists in license compatible versions. But I'm not sure. Then each individual user can choose t

Re: [tdf-discuss] Idea: Help publication utils in Writer and export and import

2010-10-28 Thread Mirek M.
2010/10/28 Leif Lodahl > Perhaps we should just consider to change the help system from the > proprietary html-wanne-be system to a pure HTML based system. I think such > systems already exists in license compatible versions. But I'm not sure. > > Then each individual user can choose to download

Re: [tdf-discuss] Copyright Assignments & the Document Foundation

2010-10-28 Thread BRM
- Original Message > From: Charles-H. Schulz > 4) the notion that we cannot change license because we don't have > copyright assignment needs to be put to rest once and for all today. > There is a very simple explanation with respect to this issue; ask any > lawyer and he/she will con

Re: [tdf-discuss] Idea: Help publication utils in Writer and export and import

2010-10-28 Thread Leif Lodahl
Perhaps we should just consider to change the help system from the proprietary html-wanne-be system to a pure HTML based system. I think such systems already exists in license compatible versions. But I'm not sure. Then each individual user can choose to download an off-line help or use the on-lin

[tdf-discuss] Copyright Assignments & the Document Foundation

2010-10-28 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Hello all, (apologies for this quite long email) I would like to discuss a bit the position of the Document Foundation with respect to copyright assignments. I understand there have been questions here and there about this topic, and it's perhaps necessary to explain our position. We initially a

Re: [tdf-discuss] Idea: Help publication utils in Writer and export and import

2010-10-28 Thread Mirek M.
How about setting up an online Help wiki, the important topics from which would be turned into the "Help" that comes bundled with LibO? The wiki would of course need to be moderated, addable to only with an account, and some important pages would be locked and editable only by trusted users. 2010/

[tdf-discuss] Idea: Help publication utils in Writer and export and import

2010-10-28 Thread Kálmán „KAMI” Szalai
Hi! It is not easy to maintain the help such big application like LibreOffice. We might create tools in Writer that helps such publication work. Also we may create export/import filter to produce and process help content. KAMI -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundati

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: PPC Mac, Solaris and windows x86_64 Releases

2010-10-28 Thread Dr. Peter Pöml
Am 27.10.2010 um 14:04 schrieb Christian Lohmaier: > On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 8:13 AM, jonathon wrote: >> On 10/26/2010 07:17 PM, Carlo Strata wrote: >> >>> - MacOSX 64 bit on both PPC and X86-64 platforms (I don't know if it >> exists a MacOSX PPC 64 bit OS...); >> >> Mac OS X is intrinsicall

[tdf-discuss] yesterday's call recording available

2010-10-28 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hello, yesterday's call recording is now available from http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Steering_Committee_Meetings#Minutes_2010-10-27 The notes will be published soon. Thanks for your interest! Florian -- Florian Effenberger Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foun

Re: [tdf-discuss] UI proposal

2010-10-28 Thread Mirek M.
Hi Marc, 2010/10/28 Marc Paré > Le 2010-10-27 20:23, Michel Gagnon a écrit : > > Le 2010-10-27 12:11, Mirek M. a écrit : >> >>> Hey everyone, >>> New post about managing tabs without rulers: >>> http://clickortap.wordpress.com/2010/10/27/citrus-tabs/ >>> >>> Maybe I am too traditionalist, but

Re: [tdf-discuss] UI proposal

2010-10-28 Thread Mirek M.
Hi Michel, 2010/10/28 Michel Gagnon > Le 2010-10-27 12:11, Mirek M. a écrit : > >> Hey everyone, >> >> New post about managing tabs without rulers: >> http://clickortap.wordpress.com/2010/10/27/citrus-tabs/ >> >> Maybe I am too traditionalist, but I really don't like the idea. > Typically, if I

Re: [tdf-discuss] Better defaults

2010-10-28 Thread Kálmán „KAMI” Szalai
Hi, AFAIR the translation work if the name of color matches with the translation. So already translated names should works. Regarding to color palette, for same reason we should save the old palette after the new palette. KAMI 2010-10-28 07:20 keltezéssel, Andras Timar írta: > 2010.10.28. 5:47 k

Re: [tdf-discuss] Better defaults

2010-10-28 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-28 03:52, Sveinn í Felli a écrit : Þann fim 28.okt 2010 07:09, skrifaði Valter Mura: In data mercoledì 27 ottobre 2010 21:41:20, Marc Paré ha scritto: I don't think I would favour this. There is too much potential for gathering data from users and we could really run in trouble if c

Re: [tdf-discuss] Better defaults

2010-10-28 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-27 22:55, Damien Ellis a écrit : On 10/24/10, RGB ES wrote: Another example: do you know anyone that use the "send by email" button? Most possible receivers nowadays still use msoffice so using that button have the only effect that new users come to forums asking why the people to wh

Re: [tdf-discuss] Better defaults

2010-10-28 Thread Sveinn í Felli
Þann fim 28.okt 2010 07:09, skrifaði Valter Mura: In data mercoledì 27 ottobre 2010 21:41:20, Marc Paré ha scritto: I don't think I would favour this. There is too much potential for gathering data from users and we could really run in trouble if criticism were to spread that we are data mining

Re: [tdf-discuss] Better defaults

2010-10-28 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-28 03:09, Valter Mura a écrit : In data mercoledì 27 ottobre 2010 21:41:20, Marc Paré ha scritto: I don't think I would favour this. There is too much potential for gathering data from users and we could really run in trouble if criticism were to spread that we are data mining our Li

Re: [tdf-discuss] Better defaults

2010-10-28 Thread Valter Mura
In data mercoledì 27 ottobre 2010 21:41:20, Marc Paré ha scritto: > I don't think I would favour this. There is too much potential for > gathering data from users and we could really run in trouble if > criticism were to spread that we are data mining our LibO users. > > Is there anything like th