Hi SC,
I'm no member of the SC so I only want to put a thought in the discussion.
Am 15.06.2011 19:32, schrieb Charles-H. Schulz:
Le Wed, 15 Jun 2011 17:19:44 +0200,
Thorsten Behrenst...@documentfoundation.org a écrit :
Charles-H. Schulz wrote:
I remember we wanted to join the OASIS
Hi :)
It would look slightly more normal as:
Please read carefully
Regards from
Tom :)
From: Thorsten Behrens t...@documentfoundation.org
To: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org
Sent: Thu, 16 June, 2011 6:55:06
Subject: Re: [steering-discuss] proposed
Hi :
Please ignore my last email. I didn't realise the words were part of a
sentence
rather than being the entire statement. Context is everything i should have
checked.
It looks good already :)
Regards from
Tom :)
From: Francois Tigeot
2011/6/16 André Schnabel andre.schna...@gmx.net:
Hi,
meeting minutes are at the wiki:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Membership_Committee_Meetings#Minutes_2011-06-16
(Cor, Fridrich - please edit the wiki, if I forgot something important.)
I'll inform the approved members (and
Greg Stein wrote:
how can you say that Apache
removes rights from people's contributions? As a developer, you
still own your code. You can do whatever you like with it. Apache
doesn't take anything from You.
Easy. Even a non-developer like myself can see that :)
Compared to GPL (which
Bernhard,
Le Thu, 16 Jun 2011 00:30:49 +0200,
Bernhard Dippold bernh...@familie-dippold.at a écrit :
Hi Charles, all,
I'm not a SC member, so my opinion should not be understood as voting.
Thorsten Behrens schrieb:
Charles-H. Schulz wrote:
The French Association La Mouette,
On 6/16/11 7:52 AM, André Schnabel wrote:
Am 15.06.2011 20:24, schrieb Charles-H. Schulz:
So let me rephrase this proposal. Given the membership fee, do you
approve TDF joining the OASIS as soon as the foundation is set up?
+1
André
+1
Italo
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Hi Greg, Dennis, Friedrich, all
thanks for pointing to this very topic.
So if I understand it right, the difference is a legal one with probably
minor consequences in code usage:
While with ICLA the contributer keeps the copyright on his own (and thus
needs personal legal assistance or an
Cristoph wrote:
What I'm currently unsure about - how to proceed. Although I'm not
that convinced about voting, maybe it should be added to:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Vote_for_Enhancement
I did it! The wiki finally let me edit the page!
Now that we can find Bug 38244 under the
On 6/16/11 2:05 AM, Robert Derman wrote:
I noticed in the following list that there is no one from North America.
I am just a bit concerned about this. Should I be?
I am generally managing contacts with journalists based in the US,
although this sometimes means that I have to work quite late
Le 2011-06-15 19:54, Joe Rotello a écrit :
On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Klaibson Ribeiro
klaib...@gmail.comwrote:
Hi.
I was thinking if we organize an Magazine on LibreOffice, with
members of
all communities the world?
Good week.
--
Klaibson Ribeiro
Tel: (48) 9625-8273
On 6/15/11, Allen Pulsifer pulsi...@openoffice.org wrote:
...
End users do not care about
who's right, who's wrong, who's been slighted, who is more pure, etc. They
just care about products and technologies that are going to meet their
needs.
Painting quite a poor picture of end users? Are
There are end users that care of freedom in a broad sense. I'm one of
them, using Linux-based systems since late 90s :)
And we aren't so few, because the number is growing and specially in
this worldwide economical crisis. You can see by objective stadistics
that the adoption of FOSS is bigger in
Hi,
Original-Nachricht
Von: Bernhard Dippold bernh...@familie-dippold.at
So if I understand it right, the difference is a legal one with probably
minor consequences in code usage:
While with ICLA the contributer keeps the copyright on his own (and thus
needs personal
Allen Pulsifer wrote:
If most or almost all of the LO contributors joined the Apache
OpenOffice project, if only to lend moral support and help heal the
rift, that would only be good for LO and the TdF.
Thorsten Behrens wrote:
Allen, how can you, with a straight face, ask people here to
- Original Message
From: plino pedl...@gmail.com
Greg Stein wrote:
how can you say that Apache
removes rights from people's contributions? As a developer, you
still own your code. You can do whatever you like with it. Apache
doesn't take anything from You.
Easy. Even
Hi Allen,
While I am rather tired of this combative thread of discussion and think it is
way overdue for it to stop, you make some statements that can't be left
unchallenged.
On 16 Jun 2011, at 15:43, Allen Pulsifer wrote:
Allen Pulsifer wrote:
Hello Thorsten,
I do not agree with your
On 6/16/11 4:43 PM, Allen Pulsifer wrote:
So my all means, continue forward with your decision that your personal
story is what really matters. That is your prerogative. Meanwhile, the
LibreOffice project will never be what it could have been. The opportunity
that has been lost will never
BRM wrote:
Even the GPL does not provide that right. If a company wanted it could
take a
GPL product, make whatever changes it wanted, and distribute it internally
to
itself without ever contributing back to the community as a whole.
Likewise, it could also distribute that same project
Allen Pulsifer wrote:
I do not agree with your conclusion that the Apache OpenOffice project
is a competing project. You simply chose to view it that way.
Simon Phipps wrote:
The main proposer of the project, Rob Weir of IBM, clearly stated his
intent for it to be
a competing project - he
On 16 Jun 2011, at 16:58, Allen Pulsifer wrote:
You could have also
been one of those persons with a seat at the table, and together, we would
have had twice the voice as Rob Weir.
Excuse me? What are all the contributions I am making on that list? Chopped
liver?
S.
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Unsubscribe
Allen Pulsifer wrote:
As an experienced person in the open source world, I would think you know
by now that
it is a lot easier to influence a project when have a seat at the table
and are working from
the inside rather of the outside. You could have also been one of those
persons with a seat
On 16 Jun 2011, at 17:31, Allen Pulsifer wrote:
Allen Pulsifer wrote:
As an experienced person in the open source world, I would think you know
by now that
it is a lot easier to influence a project when have a seat at the table
and are working from
the inside rather of the outside. You
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 5:43 PM, Allen Pulsifer pulsi...@openoffice.org wrote:
Allen Pulsifer wrote:
If most or almost all of the LO contributors joined the Apache
OpenOffice project, if only to lend moral support and help heal the
rift, that would only be good for LO and the TdF.
Thorsten
Augustine Souza wrote:
On 6/15/11, Allen Pulsifer pulsi...@openoffice.org wrote:
...
End users do not care about
who's right, who's wrong, who's been slighted, who is more pure, etc. They
just care about products and technologies that are going to meet their
needs.
Painting quite a
- Original Message
From: plino pedl...@gmail.com
BRM wrote:
Even the GPL does not provide that right. If a company wanted it could
take a
GPL product, make whatever changes it wanted, and distribute it internally
to
itself without ever contributing back to the
As an interested user I see a lot of noise passing by on this topic. I must
say I am totally unimpressed. What counts for me is reality, not dreaming in
the cloud. I was used to getting no response from Microsoft on my bug
reports. I did join in a bug report in OOo about table autoformats not
2011/6/16 Charles Jenkins cejperso...@tec-usa.com
Cristoph wrote:
What I'm currently unsure about - how to proceed. Although I'm not
that convinced about voting, maybe it should be added to:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Vote_for_Enhancement
I did it! The wiki finally let me edit
Hi,
meeting minutes are at the wiki:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Membership_Committee_Meetings#Minutes_2011-06-16
(Cor, Fridrich - please edit the wiki, if I forgot something important.)
I'll inform the approved members (and rejected applicants) within the
next few hours and
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 04:27, plino pedl...@gmail.com wrote:
Greg Stein wrote:
how can you say that Apache
removes rights from people's contributions? As a developer, you
still own your code. You can do whatever you like with it. Apache
doesn't take anything from You.
Easy. Even a
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 13:40, Pieter E. Zanstra pie...@zanstra.eu wrote:
As an interested user I see a lot of noise passing by on this topic. I must
say I am totally unimpressed. What counts for me is reality, not dreaming in
the cloud. I was used to getting no response from Microsoft on my
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 10:41, Andre Schnabel andre.schna...@gmx.net wrote:
...
Maybe Apache and TDF members might have a differnt view on the effects,
as Apache members are more used to US copyright law, while TDF members
are more used to the European way.
That is a very important point,
Greg Stein wrote:
As Ben has explained later in this thread, you never had that right.
Ergo, Apache has not removed any rights from You.
This is why I think the statement removes rights from people's
contributions is wrong, or there is some other right that I'm unaware
of.
GPL does
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 07:17, Bernhard Dippold
bernh...@familie-dippold.at wrote:
Hi Greg, Dennis, Friedrich, all
thanks for pointing to this very topic.
So if I understand it right, the difference is a legal one with probably
minor consequences in code usage:
While with ICLA the
Hi BRM, *,
BRM schrieb:
From: plino pedl...@gmail.com
[..]
Even the GPL does not provide that right. If a company wanted it could
take a GPL product, make whatever changes it wanted, and distribute
it internally to itself without ever contributing back to the
community as a whole.
True.
Ben explained much of this already, but let's see if I can add some more:
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 14:46, plino pedl...@gmail.com wrote:
Greg Stein wrote:
As Ben has explained later in this thread, you never had that right.
Ergo, Apache has not removed any rights from You.
This is why I
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 9:05 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote:
Ben explained much of this already, but let's see if I can add some more:
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 14:46, plino pedl...@gmail.com wrote:
In the context of a public free Office Suite isn't that the same? If under
GPL you MUST
Greg Stein wrote:
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 13:40, Pieter E. Zanstra pie...@zanstra.eu wrote:
As an interested user I see a lot of noise passing by on this topic. I must
say I am totally unimpressed. What counts for me is reality, not dreaming in
the cloud. I was used to getting no response
Well, it is not the OCA or ICLA that is passed onward.
So the question is, I think, is there any difference in how the OCA allowed
Oracle to license the contributions and how the ICLA allows Apache to license
contributions? There is one obvious difference: Apache can't enter into a
private
Why is that a poor picture?
I am confident that some users choose Open/LibreOffice distributions for
ideological reasons.
I also think many adopt software because they have a need that it satisfies in
their use of it in creating and interchanging documents and the FOSS assurance
has little
I am not happy with Allen's characterization of Simon's participation.
I suspect the difference is that Allen put himself on the list of initial
committers and is now on the podling PPMC at Apache. Simon did not choose to
put himself on that list.
That's Simon's business.
Simon has been a
Hi Sam,
Do you have a concrete proposal?
yes, I have.
First, I do not have any problems with the Apache style of decision
making, lazy consensus sounds perfectly reasonable to me. I like that
style. This fits perfectly to the meritocracy principle.
My understanding is, that this principle is
+1
-Original Message-
From: Greg Stein [mailto:gst...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 11:37
To: discuss@documentfoundation.org
Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 13:40, Pieter E. Zanstra pie...@zanstra.eu
I want to clear up one thing (I hope):
Doesn't this mean that changing the license to Apache removes the right to
have access to the modified source code if a company so chooses?
As a developer, you never had those rights to begin with.
Apache is not removing any rights from You.
+1
-Original Message-
From: Greg Stein [mailto:gst...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 11:58
To: discuss@documentfoundation.org
Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] OCA vs. ICLA: two names - one thing?
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 07:17, Bernhard Dippold
bernh...@familie-dippold.at wrote:
Hi
- Original Message
From: todd rme toddrme2...@gmail.com
To: discuss@documentfoundation.org
Sent: Thu, June 16, 2011 3:13:15 PM
Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache
OpenOffice
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 9:05 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote:
Ben
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 12:49 AM, BRM bm_witn...@yahoo.com wrote:
So as Greg said, who has the rights (per the GPL) to receive the source is not
necessarily the same as the community. The only people that have rights to
receiving the source are the ones that the product was specifically
Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
If I am the copyright holder of my code, I can issue it with a license
that requires anyone who modifies my source code to provide me with
the changes to my code that they make. ...
PS: It is the case that neither the GPL nor APLv2 have such a
compulsory condition
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 1:03 AM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 17:54, Simos Xenitellis
simos.li...@googlemail.com wrote:
...
The key thing being that person. That person is most likely not You,
the developer who is contributing to the software. Thus, You won't get
I'm sorry. I have IBM Lotus Symphony 3.0 with fixpack 2 installed on my
computer and I didn't pay anyone for it.
It is free to download. Registration required. That's it.
If I want support, that is different. Not much different than with Sun Star
Office and Oracle Office, actually.
True,
- Original Message
From: Simos Xenitellis simos.li...@googlemail.com
To: discuss@documentfoundation.org
Sent: Thu, June 16, 2011 6:31:25 PM
Subject: OFF TOPIC about GPL enforcement (Was: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re:
[Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice)
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011
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