Re: [IxDA Discuss] Recap: Chicago IxDA's Pattern Library conversation

2007-10-19 Thread David Malouf
I'm about to give my presentation on patterns in about 18 hours or so. Having just finished my slides 18 hours ago you can say I'm knee deep in thinking about patterns. A few musings coming out of the muck: 1. The person who brought up context intention nailed it on the head. Alexander is clear

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Congratulations San Francisco IxDA

2007-10-19 Thread David Shaw
Dave, Is there anything you can share from the IxDA event? For those of us who are contract, and can't afford to get away to great events like these, we'd love something to gleam on to to be inspired too. :-) David On 10/18/07, David Malouf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm in SF this week at the

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Types of design values

2007-10-19 Thread Chris Borokowski
As a designer or any other employee, you're a mercenary. Your job is to adopt the values of your audience and create for them. --- Alan Wexelblat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As to underlying values this is where I see (potential) contention in that the designer's and user's values may not even

Re: [IxDA Discuss] A List Apart web design survey results

2007-10-19 Thread Mark Schraad
On Friday, October 19, 2007, at 12:50PM, Christopher Fahey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are two kinds of web design professionals in the world: People who read ALA at least occasionally, and people who I would never want to work with. I would guess that the vast majority of web

Re: [IxDA Discuss] iPhone and Gmail - Oy Gevalt!

2007-10-19 Thread Robert Hoekman, Jr.
Have you rebooted your phone? Actually, I set up Gmail to forward everything to a dummy acct and then set up the dummy acct on the iPhone. Then my original acct (Google Apps with POP) magically started working correctly. So I deleted the dummy acct and stopped the forwarding in Gmail, and

Re: [IxDA Discuss] iPhone and Gmail - Oy Gevalt!

2007-10-19 Thread Christian Crumlish
At one point I deleted my account and recreated it and that did the trick. Finally, I just went to my yahoomail mirror, since it works much better with the jesus phone. -x- On 10/19/07, Robert Hoekman, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you rebooted your phone? Actually, I set up Gmail to

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Types of design values

2007-10-19 Thread Alan Wexelblat
I think I come down closer to Christopher Fahey's side of this spectrum. I think it's necessary to *understand* the values and intents of my employer but that doesn't require me to wholeheartedly adopt them. Nor does it make me less professional, I think, if I do that. Being a paid professional

Re: [IxDA Discuss] iPhone and Gmail - Oy Gevalt!

2007-10-19 Thread Christian Crumlish
Have you rebooted your phone? On 10/18/07, Robert Hoekman, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My grips at the moment is that the iPhone, for some reason, isn't grabbing the most recent messages from Gmail. The latest mail I have right now is from yesterday. This has been going on for a couple of

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Types of design values

2007-10-19 Thread Chris Borokowski
What I pointed out was that when you are paid to do a task, you are paid to adopt the values and intents of your employers. I did not say you did not have the choice of employers. I am merely stating one facet of business reality. If this reality is offensive, I suggest you take it up with those

Re: [IxDA Discuss] theory behind login screen of IxDA ?

2007-10-19 Thread Christopher Fahey
The login screen that was presented, lifted the weight off my grey cells. I found it extremely intuitive to login to the site using the userid/ email. I have the opposite view: I have no idea how to log in to the IxDA site, and think it's one of the most awkward login screens I've ever

Re: [IxDA Discuss] functional designer?

2007-10-19 Thread Nick
Assuming you start from business needs through research, functional requirements, testing, and UI design, then I see functional design as the entire process with interaction design mainly being the last step. With functional design, you are trying to figure out which functions you will be

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Recap: Chicago IxDA's Pattern Library conversation

2007-10-19 Thread Faith Peterson
It's an interesting aspect of the development of one's creative faculties that there is a period of rote imitation and then some point of transcendence, when the underlying principles suddenly - apparently - coalesce. I think the junior person needs a lot of practice and observation of other

Re: [IxDA Discuss] functional designer?

2007-10-19 Thread Faith Peterson
I'm in a small shop in which designers wear three hats. We design functionality when we specify what operations and information to expose to the user. We design interaction when we specify how to expose them, and how the user will interact with the application to use them. We wear our application

Re: [IxDA Discuss] functional designer?

2007-10-19 Thread Switzky, Andrew
Okay, so then how would you distinguish between an interaction designer and a functional designer? Are they the same? I think functional designer should mean the same thing as interaction designer. It's a good way to explain what you do to business systems analysts, project managers and

Re: [IxDA Discuss] functional designer?

2007-10-19 Thread Bill Fernandez
I've never before heard of functional design or functional designer. On the other hand I have for many years, and in multiple companies, used the terms functional specification and user interface specification (among others) for important design process documents, on both hardware and

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Recap: Chicago IxDA's Pattern Library conversation

2007-10-19 Thread Christian Crumlish
A lot of interesting points along this thread. Wesley's comments are very interesting. One thing about Yahoo's library worth noting is that we are far from a centralized organization. We have a central UED team but it's small and the vast majority of our designers work in business units. It's