Re: [IxDA Discuss] Article on Number of Usability Test Participants

2009-10-02 Thread David Drucker
Talking to users, testing prototypes (paper, screen, etc.) and analyzing their feedback teaches a designer what they don't know about the problem at hand. To ignore these is to proceed at your own peril. "The wise man knows he doesn't know." - Lao Tzu On Oct 2, 2009, at 12:42 PM, Thomas

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Article on Number of Usability Test Participants

2009-10-02 Thread mark schraad
I am dumbfounded... wow. On Oct 2, 2009, at 12:42 PM, Thomas Petersen wrote: I really don't in general see the usage of testing during the design process. Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this li

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Article on Number of Usability Test Participants

2009-10-02 Thread Jared Spool
On Oct 2, 2009, at 12:42 PM, Thomas Petersen wrote: I have made this point before. I really don't in general see the usage of testing during the design process. Yah. It didn't make any sense then. Still doesn't. Welcome to t

[IxDA Discuss] CFP: CHI2010 Workshop on Researcher-Practitioner Interaction

2009-10-02 Thread Elizabeth Buie
The CHI2010 Workshop on Researcher-Practitioner Interaction now has a date! This one-day workshop will be held on Sunday, April 11, 2010, at the beginning of the CHI 2010 conference. It will bring together researchers and practitioners of HCI to explore whether and to what extent difficulties

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Article on Number of Usability Test Participants

2009-10-02 Thread Todd Zaki Warfel
On Oct 2, 2009, at 12:42 PM, Thomas Petersen wrote: I really don't in general see the usage of testing during the design process. Whoa! Red flag alert! Usability testing helps evaluate a design concept that tries to address a design problem. That testing can be a baseline test, somethin

[IxDA Discuss] [EVENT] National Design Week in NYC is October 18-24, Objectified Film screenings & The Biz of Design w/ Bill Moggridge (FREE), who\'s in?

2009-10-02 Thread Fritz Desir
Just received this in email newsletter and it looks quite interesting. I'd like to rally up some IxDA'ers to go not necessarily as an official meeting but to represent and possibly chat afterwards. THE BUSINESS OF DESIGN October 20, 2009, 8:30 – 10:00am FREE EVENT Business leaders discuss how

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Article on Number of Usability Test Participants

2009-10-02 Thread Thomas Petersen
"Well, that's unfortunate. " Not really. "I'm not entirely sure what you mean by paradigms in this context. Perhaps you mean a function we've never seen before? In any case, you will generally find that very few users want problems or issues. They want functions. They want to be able to find thos

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Defining a UX vision

2009-10-02 Thread Nathaniel Flick
Not much out there, it's true, probalby because Interaction Design as a discipline is relatively new. However, all is not lost - two ideas: 1. This site has a good explanation and a basis for a vision: http://www.ixda.org/en/about_ixdg/what_is_interaction_design.shtml 2. Go to http://www.cooper.c

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Defining a UX vision

2009-10-02 Thread Thomas Petersen
Then you need to define principles for what constitutes good product design from a UX point of view. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=46323 __

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Article on Number of Usability Test Participants

2009-10-02 Thread Katie Albers
My comments are interleaved... Katie Albers ka...@firstthought.com On Oct 2, 2009, at 12:42 PM, Thomas Petersen wrote: I have made this point before. I really don't in general see the usage of testing during the design process. Well, that's unfortunate. I see great benefit in testing be

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Interactive web charting tools?

2009-10-02 Thread dnp607
Tia, Jason, Thank you! These look like decent solutions. There's actually an example that's close to what we want in the Flot area. Fusioncharts doesn't have a similar idea, but I'll keep looking. It seems robust. All the best, -Dan Dan Peknik NASA Ames Research Center Moffett Field, Cali

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Article on Number of Usability Test Participants

2009-10-02 Thread Thomas Petersen
I have made this point before. I really don't in general see the usage of testing during the design process. I see great benefit in testing before starting on the actual design process in order to figure out what kind of problems, issues and tasks users want. But testing usability in an environme

[IxDA Discuss] Invitations to our new survey product

2009-10-02 Thread Alok Jain
Hi All, I am happy to introduce our new offering - Insightify. It's a new age survey product and we are bringing it out as an invitation only beta right now. You can read about us at http://insightify.com/home.html Here are some invites for this group http://insightify.com/signup/new/ixdastart W

[IxDA Discuss] [EVENT] Agile Experience Design Meetup NYC: Improving Drupal Usability with Buzzr

2009-10-02 Thread Anders Ramsay
Hi Everyone, We've got a great event lined up for our next Agile Experience Design Meetup on Wed. Oct. 14. Ed Sussman, CEO of Buzzr, and Karen McGrane, co-founder and partner at Bond Art & Science, will talk about their collaboration on the Buzzr project and improving Drupal usability. Event Det

[IxDA Discuss] Interactive web charting tools?

2009-10-02 Thread dnp607
Hi All, Apologies if this question has been asked and answered before - I've been searching for a canned toolkit or a complete package that I can recommend to our development for building an interactive web graph. The interaction would be specific to a zoom feature, allowing a user to inc

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Article on Number of Usability Test Participants

2009-10-02 Thread Adam Korman
I just re-read this and want to clarify what I meant by "...usability testing isn't a good way to measure (or improve) product quality..." I meant this in the sense that it's an inefficient way to find defects in the execution, but a good way to find defects in the decision making (it's bro

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Article on Number of Usability Test Participants

2009-10-02 Thread Adam Korman
There are a couple of points I wanted to follow up on in this discussion: Will Sanbury talked about how usability testing is not meant as a replacement for QA. I think this is a really important point -- usability testing isn't a good way to measure (or improve) product quality, but it is

[IxDA Discuss] [Event] Agile East 2009 Conference

2009-10-02 Thread Alla Zollers
Interested in Agile? Want to hear Martin Fowler speak? Join me at the end of October for Agile East 2009, where a variety of speakers will fill you with insights on agile. What: Agile East 2009 Conference When: October 29 - Philadelphia October 30 - New York Website: http://connect.thoughtwork

[IxDA Discuss] Defining a UX vision

2009-10-02 Thread Brian Mila
Does anyone have any samples of a good UX vision statement? Everyone talks about how important it is to have a good UX vision, but I can't find anything that defines exactly what a "good UX vision" is. I've been trying to develop one from scratch and I'm not sure how it should be structured or wh

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Leaving Las Vegas...I mean the website site.

2009-10-02 Thread John Yuda
Personally, I tend to get really irritated when a site tries to force behavior on me like that. If I want to keep their page open and follow the link in a new window or tab, I'll do that. Otherwise, stop cluttering up my desktop. I generally try to avoid impressing my personal preference onto user

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Leaving Las Vegas...I mean the website site.

2009-10-02 Thread Bryan Minihan
Just wishful thinking...wouldn't it be nice to say target="_iphone" or target="_pda" or target="_maps"? Bryan Minihan -Original Message- From: discuss-boun...@lists.interactiondesigners.com [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.interactiondesigners.com] On Behalf Of Robert Hoekman Jr Sent: Fri

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Leaving Las Vegas...I mean the website site.

2009-10-02 Thread Robert Hoekman Jr
> > [...] and I have learned that when you have a link that is > internal you have that link open within the same window. On the other > hand, I was taught that any link that you have that is a reference to > an external website you should have the link open in an external > window or tab if the us

[IxDA Discuss] REMINDER: PhillyCHI Social - Tech & Design Quizzo!, Thursday, October 8, 2009

2009-10-02 Thread Dave Cooksey
PhillyCHI Social - Tech & Design Quizzo!, Thursday, October 8, 2009 In celebration of DesignPhiladelphia, PhillyCHI is pleased to host a technology and design-themed Quizzo night. Trivia questions will be based on technology, design, architecture, and other related topics. Prizes will be aw

[IxDA Discuss] REMINDER: AIGA | PhillyCHI Joint Meeting - Nathan Shedroff: Sustainable Design Strategy, Wednesday, October 7, 2009

2009-10-02 Thread Dave Cooksey
AIGA | PhillyCHI Joint Meeting - Nathan Shedroff: Sustainable Design Strategy, Wednesday, October 7, 2009 Please join AIGA Philadelphia and PhillyCHI in welcoming Nathan Shedroff to Philadelphia. Nathan will help kick off DesignPhiladelphia by presenting a discussion of design, business, an

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Examples of filtered lists with dropdowns

2009-10-02 Thread Oleh Kovalchuke
In other words: disable or hide downstream filters, untill (and whenever) the upstream filter is defined. -- Oleh Kovalchuke Interaction Design is design of time http://www.tangospring.com/IxDtopicWhatIsInteractionDesign.htm On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 2:39 AM, dlambert wrote: > I used to work for

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Article on Number of Usability Test Participants

2009-10-02 Thread Dana Chisnell
On Oct 2, 2009, at 9:34 AM, James Page wrote: Totally agree with [Steve's] article So you can get a much narrower range for your estimate, but 30+ users is a significant undertaking for a usability test. One of our own findings from a study was that people got bored with testing mo

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Article on Number of Usability Test Participants

2009-10-02 Thread James Page
Totally agree with your article > So you can get a much narrower range for your estimate, but 30+ users is a > significant undertaking for a usability test. > One of our own findings from a study was that people got bored with testing more than about 8 users. James 2009/10/2 Steve Baty >

[IxDA Discuss] Leaving Las Vegas...I mean the website site.

2009-10-02 Thread Brian
So I have seen a bunch of redesigns come up recently like http://www.uxbooth.com/ (which I love that site) and I wanted to bring this up as something simple that just sort of caught me as being rather strange. Maybe I am missing the boat or just not seeing something but I have been working in web

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Article on Number of Usability Test Participants

2009-10-02 Thread Will Sansbury
Thomas Petersen said: > If we are talking wireframes or any other replacements for the real > thing whatever you will find have very little if anything to do with > what you find in the end. Hi, Thomas, Are we talking about design issues or defects? Apologies if I totally misread you, but it soun

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Article on Number of Usability Test Participants

2009-10-02 Thread Steve Baty
James, More good points. I did some calculations a while back on the confidence intervals for pass/fail user tests - http://www.meld.com.au/2006/05/when-100-isnt-really-100-updated - the more interesting part being the link to a paper on estimators of expected values. Worth a read if you haven't s

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Article on Number of Usability Test Participants

2009-10-02 Thread James Page
Steve, Woolrych and Cockton argue that the discrepancy is Nielsen's constant of .31. Neilson assumes all issues have the same visibility. We have not even added the extra dimension of evaluator effect :-) Do you have a reference for the more resent paper? I would be interested in reading it. On

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Article on Number of Usability Test Participants

2009-10-02 Thread Steve Baty
I'm not sure I understand your line of reasoning, Thomas. What issues are we identifying in the wireframes if not those same issues that might otherwise make it through into the final product? Certainly at a different level of detail; and definitely our early tests aren't able to show up everything

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Article on Number of Usability Test Participants

2009-10-02 Thread Thomas Petersen
"It's also worth repeating the message both Jakob & Jared Spool are constantly talking about: test iteratively with a group of 5-10 participants. You'll find that 65% figure above rises to 99% in that case" I find this an absurd statement. The above can only have some merit if we are talking abo

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Article on Number of Usability Test Participants

2009-10-02 Thread Steve Baty
James, Excellent points. Nielsen argues that 5 users will discover 84% of the issues; not that the likelihood of finding a particular issue is 84% - thus the discrepancy in our figures (41% & 65% respectively). (And I can't believe I'm defending Nielsen's figures, but this is one of his better s

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Article on Number of Usability Test Participants

2009-10-02 Thread James Page
Steve, The real issue is that the example I have given is that it is over simplistic. It is dependent on sterile lab conditions, and the user population been the same in the lab and in the real world. And there only being one issue that effects 10% of the user population. One of the great beauties

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Microsoft Courier ...

2009-10-02 Thread James Haliburton
I also think mid 2010 is unlikely. There are some major issues to overcome, not the least of which is technical implementation. The slickness of the video serves a purpose beyond validating design however. It becomes a probe. A kind of artefact that elicits feedback - from people like us, competit

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Article on Number of Usability Test Participants

2009-10-02 Thread William Hudson
Chris - I wrote an article on this topic for the SIGCHI Bulletin (while it was still a printed publication sent to all SIGCHI members). It's at http://www.syntagm.co.uk/design/articles/howmany.htm Regards, William Hudson Syntagm Ltd Design for Usability UK 01235-522859 World +44-1235-522859 US T

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Unusable things

2009-10-02 Thread fecsx
i believe in dynamic products which have multiple touchpoints and tactility is compatible/synchronized with interface to serve multiple scenarios. eventually everything connects as eames said. 1. elevator buttons are weird..aren't they? u have to push buttons whenever u want to travel vertical:F 2

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Article on Number of Usability Test Participants

2009-10-02 Thread Steve Baty
"If your client website has 1 million visitors a year, a usability issue that effects 10% of the users would be unlikely to be discovered on a test of only 5 to 10 users, but would give 100,000 people a bad experience when they visit the site." Actually, that's not true. You'd be fairly likely to

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Article on Number of Usability Test Participants

2009-10-02 Thread James Page
It is dependent on how many issues there are, the cultural variance of your user base, and the margin of error you are happy with. Five users or even 10 is not enough on a modern well designed web site. The easy way to think of a Usability Test is a treasure hunt. If the treasure is very obvious t