Re: [IxDA Discuss] \"Download Adobe Acrobat\" for PDFs

2009-03-17 Thread Francis Norton
2009/3/17 Sascha Brossmann | brsma : designificance <0...@brsma.de> > > If you think, that THIS was a real problem, the concerning > person/company urgently needs a competent lawyer before deciding > anything further on IxD. ;-) > Trust me, they have! I'm really checking the technical options out

Re: [IxDA Discuss] \"Download Adobe Acrobat\" for PDFs

2009-03-17 Thread Sascha Brossmann | brsma : designificance
On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 12:12, Francis Norton wrote: > "Well, your honour, I've no idea how it happened, but using *my* stylesheets > the paragraph about having to pay a pound of flesh for each day the loan was > overdue was displayed in light grey on dirty white, using these funny > wingdings cha

Re: [IxDA Discuss] \"Download Adobe Acrobat\" for PDFs

2009-03-17 Thread Francis Norton
2009/3/17 James Page > > > > Anybody know a better way of them to the user with controlled content > and > > format? > > > FlashPaper 2 document, the user will need Flash. Flash seams to have higher > penetration than "Acrobat". > > Have a look at http://www.adobe.com/products/flashpaper/ > > An

Re: [IxDA Discuss] \"Download Adobe Acrobat\" for PDFs

2009-03-17 Thread Francis Norton
2009/3/17 Sascha Brossmann | brsma : designificance <0...@brsma.de> > On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 08:16, Francis Norton > wrote: > > We often have to provide the Terms and Conditions of financial products > as a > > PDF for compliance. Anybody know a better way of them to the user with > > controlled

Re: [IxDA Discuss] \"Download Adobe Acrobat\" for PDFs

2009-03-17 Thread Sascha Brossmann | brsma : designificance
On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 09:20, James Page wrote: > "of those 9,199 visitors, and only 2,572 had "Acrobat", 9,856 had >> Javascript, 8,135 had Flash > > >  Sorry slip of finger. It was 8,856 had Javascript. > > But it would be interesting to see if others have similar low numbers for > Reader. On o

Re: [IxDA Discuss] \"Download Adobe Acrobat\" for PDFs

2009-03-17 Thread James Page
> > Anybody know a better way of them to the user with controlled content and > format? > FlashPaper 2 document, the user will need Flash. Flash seams to have higher penetration than "Acrobat". Have a look at http://www.adobe.com/products/flashpaper/ And also http://issuu.com/ I have no idea wh

Re: [IxDA Discuss] \"Download Adobe Acrobat\" for PDFs

2009-03-17 Thread Sascha Brossmann | brsma : designificance
On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 08:16, Francis Norton wrote: > We often have to provide the Terms and Conditions of financial products as a > PDF for compliance. Anybody know a better way of them to the user with > controlled content and format? What degree of control do you need beyond what's offered by

Re: [IxDA Discuss] \"Download Adobe Acrobat\" for PDFs

2009-03-17 Thread AJKock
"Out of those 9,199 visitors, ...9,856 had Javascript" ?? Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines

Re: [IxDA Discuss] \"Download Adobe Acrobat\" for PDFs

2009-03-17 Thread Francis Norton
We often have to provide the Terms and Conditions of financial products as a PDF for compliance. Anybody know a better way of them to the user with controlled content and format? 2009/3/16 Sascha Brossmann | brsma : designificance <0...@brsma.de> > > First question that comes to my mind: is the P

Re: [IxDA Discuss] \"Download Adobe Acrobat\" for PDFs

2009-03-16 Thread Barbara Ballard
On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 12:52 PM, James Page wrote: > There where 9,199 visitors, and only 2,572 had "Acrobat". I sure if the > target audience was academic then the numbers for "Acrobat" would allot > higher. I'm not sure *I* have "Acrobat". I try to purge it from my system at every opportunity

Re: [IxDA Discuss] \"Download Adobe Acrobat\" for PDFs

2009-03-16 Thread Sascha Brossmann | brsma : designificance
On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 11:10, Jamie Bresner wrote: > What should I take into account when considering adding "Get Adobe > Acrobat" next to a PDF link on a web page. Is this necessary? First question that comes to my mind: is the PDF download itself really THIS necessary, actually? If the content

Re: [IxDA Discuss] \"Download Adobe Acrobat\" for PDFs

2009-03-16 Thread James Page
> Another problem with relying on Javascript is of course that some > users may have it disabled for whatever reason > To help this discussion along, here are some more stats. Out of those 9,199 visitors, and only 2,572 had "Acrobat", 9,856 had Javascript, 8,135 had Flash. 300 came from browsers t

Re: [IxDA Discuss] \"Download Adobe Acrobat\" for PDFs

2009-03-16 Thread David Little
Another problem with relying on Javascript is of course that some users may have it disabled for whatever reason (their choice of user agent, paranoid IT departments, whatever). To be honest I don't think this group of users is that high these days, but it's important enough to consider some altern

Re: [IxDA Discuss] \"Download Adobe Acrobat\" for PDFs

2009-03-16 Thread Christopher Rider
There might be a bit of a problem with this approach. The browser can only detect whether the user has a reader configured to load as a plugin. That rules out users in firms with paranoid IT departments, which sometimes install reader as a stand-alone for security purposes, and also users who have

Re: [IxDA Discuss] \"Download Adobe Acrobat\" for PDFs

2009-03-16 Thread David Cortright
I love the built-in viewer in Google Docs. I wonder if there's an API for calling that an viewing the doc directly in the web page without needing the reader software/plug-in installed? That'd be the easiest solution from the user's standpoint. ·Dave ___

Re: [IxDA Discuss] \"Download Adobe Acrobat\" for PDFs

2009-03-16 Thread James Page
>So what to do? A little bit of javascript magic. Use javascript to test if the user has a pdf reader, if not show them the link to download it. The issue seams to be people don't know what "Acrobat" is and then combine the web stats I gave before, with Caroline findings, and it looks scary. Ther

Re: [IxDA Discuss] \"Download Adobe Acrobat\" for PDFs

2009-03-16 Thread Caroline Jarrett
Jamie Bresner > What should I take into account when > considering adding "Get Adobe > Acrobat" next to a PDF link on a web page. > Is this necessary? Just recently suffered through a test of a site that does this. All the participants who clicked it thought that they were going to get the .pdf

Re: [IxDA Discuss] \"Download Adobe Acrobat\" for PDFs

2009-03-16 Thread James Page
>next to a PDF link on a web page. Is this necessary? Yes. I am just looking at some web stats for a clients site, out of 12,000 visits today, only 2500 had a pdf viewer. This site is mainly focused on consumers so these stats may not apply to your site. James http://blog.feralabs.com 2009/3/16 J

[IxDA Discuss] \"Download Adobe Acrobat\" for PDFs

2009-03-16 Thread Jamie Bresner
What should I take into account when considering adding "Get Adobe Acrobat" next to a PDF link on a web page. Is this necessary? Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsub