Re: [IxDA Discuss] Green and not: ON and off

2007-10-14 Thread Kam Stewart
Matthew Nish-Lapidus wrote: Can anybody think of a case where the current on/off state of a device isn't immediately obvious? A few years ago I had a computer that had a push button power switch, with no indication on the switch as to the device state. It was quite tower computer that sat on the

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Green and not: ON and off

2007-10-13 Thread Jim Drew
I've had that problem recently with alarm clocks. My old one with the red LEDs died, so I had to go shopping for a new one. I couldn't get one like the previous one, and I went through *three* that were too bright to sleep facing the clock (which is the only side I can regularly fall

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Green and not: ON and off

2007-10-12 Thread Alok Jain
Hmm may be following will do the trick.. -Volume - Yes a volume indicator. Also, no need to hae a separate led indicating if the monitor is not. just volume control indication will implicitly communicate the device is on. - Channel Selection - this I think is not just an indicator problem,

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Green and not: ON and off

2007-10-12 Thread Matthew Nish-Lapidus
Wow, those are all great answers. So, now the question is, what type of state indicator/button would help solve these issues? For the baby monitor, would it be helpful to have an obvious volume level indicator? I completely understand the camera example.. My little digital point-and-shoot does

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Green and not: ON and off

2007-10-12 Thread Ty Hatch
FWIW, a couple of observations based on my experience with baby monitors. (4 kids and years of baby monitors tend to give one an opinion on them... ;) --Lights on the monitor: My wife and I usually have one on all night, and those little volume and power lights are so bright we have had to

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Green and not: ON and off

2007-10-12 Thread Martin Polley
The problem with the camera switch, as I see it, is that both the switch and the LED are communicating the state of the device. When the camera auto powers off, these contradict each other. I prefer a power button (or a sprung slider type switch) that does not indicate state, with the LED as the

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Green and not: ON and off

2007-10-11 Thread bjminihan
I have seen this state labeled with little graphics that tell you what each state means. If it's a push in to turn on button, you see a picture of the button pushed in, next to the words Turned On or just On, and a picture of the button released (pushed out) next to the words Turned Off or

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Green and not: ON and off

2007-10-11 Thread Matthew Nish-Lapidus
I tend to agree, although there are exceptions. For most devices that have an on/off switch it's pretty obvious if the device is currently on or off, so pressing the button will do the opposite of the current state. Can anybody think of a case where the current on/off state of a device isn't

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Green and not: ON and off

2007-10-11 Thread Lisa deBettencourt
The market -- thus far -- has simply addressed these issues from an old school lightswitch mentality: One state is *positive*, the other state is *negative*. It seems they've tried to implement what people know for colours: Green is ON Red (or neutral) is OFF. What text do you think

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Green and not: ON and off

2007-10-11 Thread bjminihan
Matthew Nish-Lapidus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can anybody think of a case where the current on/off state of a device isn't immediately obvious? [tongue firmly in cheek] My wife! I just got a new job, so I'm in a strange frame of mind...and it's not true, of course =] - Bryan

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Green and not: ON and off

2007-10-11 Thread Scharn, David
Can anybody think of a case where the current on/off state of a device isn't immediately obvious? My car, at least when I'm in the driver's seat. How many of us have turned the ignition key when the car was already running? Dave Scharn

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Green and not: ON and off

2007-10-11 Thread Shaun Bergmann
On 10/11/07, Matthew Nish-Lapidus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tend to agree, although there are exceptions. For most devices that have an on/off switch it's pretty obvious if the device is currently on or off, so pressing the button will do the opposite of the current state. Can anybody

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Green and not: ON and off

2007-10-11 Thread Alok Jain
Can think of two right now: 1. Baby Monitors - It's more about whether volume is high enough and if the channel selected is correct or not 2. Canon xti camera has two indicators for on/off state - position of a physical switch and a led light, the problem happens because of sleep function

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Green and not: ON and off

2007-10-11 Thread pauric
Green LEDs in a jam I do not like them in my mocks. I do not like them on a box. I do not like them with Binary Switches. I do not like them with halloween witches. I do not like them here or there. I do not like them anywhere. I do not like to use green LEDs in a jam. I do not like them,

[IxDA Discuss] Green and not: ON and off

2007-10-10 Thread Shaun Bergmann
This has been a running discussion for a while now and I'd love to hear some opinions on how this community would like to see the presentation of Binary Switches. I'm talking about those simple 'On/Off' toggles. For such a seemingly simple control feature, it sure seems to dredge up a fairly