Re: [IxDA Discuss] Subject: Re: What are your principles for making digital products/services

2009-09-24 Thread Gilberto Medrano
The checkbook anecdote was engaging, thanks for sharing those findings. I suspect that there was something more than just aesthetics going on in this scenario, semiotics had an active role. Probably this man did not find a picture of Hello Kitty on his checks as visually appealing, but the

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Subject: Re: What are your principles for making digital products/services

2009-09-24 Thread Jared Spool
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 4:52 AM, Gilberto Medrano gmedr...@gmail.comwrote: And even the motivational power of connotation serves a function in design. I just can't separate aesthetics from usability that easily. And that was my point. Going back to David's original principal of Beauty

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Subject: Re: What are your principles for making digital products/services

2009-09-24 Thread Dave Malouf
I think we can say that the Aesthetic over Usability has some logic holes in it. I think I felt that emotion over logic wasn't enough, or did not articulate well enough in practice and felt that the a over u articulation hopefully would do that. So I'll concede for now that the dichotomy fails

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Subject: Re: What are your principles for making digital products/services

2009-09-24 Thread Adam Korman
I think where the tension lies is that while aesthetics play a role in usability, there isn't a two-way correlation between aesthetics usability. In other words, making something more usable requires attention to aesthetics, but the reverse isn't true and focusing on aesthetics alone

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Subject: Re: What are your principles for making digital products/services

2009-09-24 Thread Jared Spool
On Sep 24, 2009, at 4:27 PM, Adam Korman wrote: I think where the tension lies is that while aesthetics play a role in usability, there isn't a two-way correlation between aesthetics usability. In other words, making something more usable requires attention to aesthetics, but the reverse

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Subject: Re: What are your principles for making digital products/services

2009-09-24 Thread Jared Spool
On Sep 24, 2009, at 2:14 PM, Dave Malouf wrote: I won't concede though that there are areas of aesthetics and emotion that are not included under even the broadest definition or focus of usability. I agree with you. Jared

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Subject: Re: What are your principles for making digital products/services

2009-09-24 Thread Adam Korman
I'm not advocating doing things poorly, just saying that these things (usability, aesthetics, beauty, delightfulness) aren't on/off propositions. And, while they are intertwined, there is some slack. It is possible (and may sometimes be appropriate) to fiddle with design elements that make

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Subject: Re: What are your principles for making digital products/services

2009-09-23 Thread Jared Spool
On Sep 21, 2009, at 3:45 AM, Eric Reiss wrote: There's a definition of kitsch that states that anything that purports to be one thing, but actually does something else is kitsch. A pepper mill in the shape of the Eiffel Tower, for example. I think Starck's lemon squeezer falls into that

[IxDA Discuss] Subject: Re: What are your principles for making digital products/services

2009-09-21 Thread Eric Reiss
Dave, Don Norman is dead wrong about this: that something emotionally appealing can basically make up for its lack of usability. I may love a beautiful object, but I didn't buy Philip Starck's lemon squeezer for its aesthetic appeal; I was hoping to squeeze lemons. (This is the piece-of-crap