Re: [IxDA Discuss] Thinking about an "abuser" and not only a "user"

2009-01-14 Thread Jeroen Elstgeest
@Angel: what you did wasn't intentional, so good interaction design should have 'warned' you in some way. From a Service Design point of view such "excessive-usage"-fees should be forbidden :-) Designing around unintentional misusage isn't the same as fighting intentional abuse. The first can be p

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Thinking about an "abuser" and not only a "user"

2009-01-12 Thread Angel Marquez
What gets me is the system was designed to behave in that manner. I was unable to open a bank account in Sweden. I was curious to how everything worked over there. The POS in transportation systems were like american fisher price toys, 3 very distinct big colored buttons. Thanks for the input. On

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Thinking about an "abuser" and not only a "user"

2009-01-11 Thread William Brall
Yes. Security is great, but good interaction is better. And there is such a thing as self-defeating security, also. Take AKO's (Army Knowledge Online) password requirements: 2 or more lowercase letters 2 or more uppercase letters 2 or more numbers 2 or more symbols (*&^...@!,.;< so on) And at le

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Thinking about an "abuser" and not only a "user"

2009-01-11 Thread Adrian Howard
On 8 Jan 2009, at 15:11, a...@amroha.dk wrote: [snip] Dr. Thompson talks about an airline incident where he was able to hack into a system due to boredom. He believes that the developers forgot to see the "abuser" point of view. Interestingly I often see the opposite problem. Folk take the

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Thinking about an "abuser" and not only a "user"

2009-01-08 Thread Chauncey Wilson
Hi Alan, There is no problem with separating scenarios into those that result from malicious intent versus actions with no true malicious intent. From the perspective of the owner though the results could be the same from intentional or unintentional behaviors. My thought is that we need to consid

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Thinking about an "abuser" and not only a "user"

2009-01-08 Thread Angel Marquez
Would this account for abuse: http://mypfblog.blogspot.com/2007/05/excess-activity-fee-at-wamu.html This was about a month ago and the web UI allowed me to deplete my account of over 75.00 of fees in one sitting with absolutely no destructive confirmation screen. The excessive fee was enforced ri

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Thinking about an "abuser" and not only a "user"

2009-01-08 Thread Alan Wexelblat
On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Chauncey Wilson wrote: > Designers need to consider misuse scenarios in planning. I tend to agree but I think we need to separate two concerns: One is "how should the system respond to out-of-bounds information". Putting a heavy child on a postal scale, for exampl

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Thinking about an "abuser" and not only a "user"

2009-01-08 Thread Chauncey Wilson
Designers need to consider misuse scenarios in planning. Here is brief note that I wrote up about misuse (and related) scenarios for my class on scenarios: "While many scenarios focus on actions leading to the successful or unsuccessful completion of user goals, there are also scenarios that you

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Thinking about an "abuser" and not only a "user"

2009-01-08 Thread j. eric townsend
Both of their books are excellent reading. They're short and to the point, with line staff and QE managers as the target audience, not security professionals. a...@amroha.dk wrote: I am watching a discussion with Dr. Herbert Thompson: "Dr. Herbert Thompson is an internationally renowned exp

[IxDA Discuss] Thinking about an "abuser" and not only a "user"

2009-01-08 Thread ali
I am watching a discussion with Dr. Herbert Thompson: "Dr. Herbert Thompson is an internationally renowned expert in application security testing, research and training. He was Security Innovation’s second employee, joining Founder Dr. James Whittaker in 2002. Dr. Thompson earned his PhD in Applied