Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] "Free"

I agree that it is an OSGeo conference and OSGeo promotes "free and open source" software. If Oracle can demonstrate how their product works/integrates with open source geospatial software then I don't have a problem with that. -Perry Jason Birch wrote: You know, I'd actually be in favour o

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Fwd: Conference announcement: MODSIM 07

Tyler, Has OSGeo been approached, or are we planning to approach this conference to put forward an OSGeo presence? I expect to be able to put together an OSGeo presentation for this conference if needed. Tyler Mitchell wrote: Begin forwarded message: From: Ari Jolma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Da

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] "Free"

2007/3/2, Ned Horning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Paul Ramsey wrote: > > The term "free" as used by this community is jargon > , plain and simple, completely > transparent to those in-the-know, opaque to outsiders. The workshop > submission is just a clear example of

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] "Free"

You know, I'd actually be in favour of this workshop if it showed how Oracle can be integrated with open source geospatial applications (web mapping, etc). This is the kind of thing that many organisations need to gradually integrate open source into their stacks. As it stands, it shows how to in

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] "Free"

On 2-Mar-07, at 12:12 PM, Ned Horning wrote: Would dropping "Free" and just using "Open Source" in the future make it transparent to everyone? Hi Ned, I think that's the crux of it (aside from current workshop question). The OSGeo conference committee had a debate about this and voted to

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] "Free"

Tyler Mitchell Executive Director Open Source Geospatial Foundation [EMAIL PROTECTED] P: +1-250-277-1621 M: +1-250-303-1831 On 2-Mar-07, at 12:12 PM, Ned Horning wrote: Would dropping "Free" and just using "Open Source" in the future make it transparent to everyone? Hi Ned, I think that's

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] "Free"

Question Paul? Have they talked to you about sponsoring the conference? Jody Thinking - Oracle is apparently trying to learn how to play nice with open source. So far that consists of buying companies - but that is a start. May be worth while to just send them my way for the demo pit (they ca

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] "Free"

Aaron Racicot wrote: I am just in favor of Paul supplying free beer... Just because you can freely imbibe it, and pass it on in modified form, doesn't mean it will be free-as-in-beer. :) -- Paul Ramsey Refractions Research http://www.refractions.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: 250-3

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] "Free"

Ned Horning wrote: Paul Ramsey wrote: The term "free" as used by this community is jargon , plain and simple, completely transparent to those in-the-know, opaque to outsiders. The workshop submission is just a clear example of that. Would dropping "Free" an

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] "Free"

2007/3/2, Markus Neteler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Then let's have a "free as in beer" slot for such software. It would be harmful to mix free software (as in liberty) with gratis (or whatever) software in the same slot. At least the proposal does not quite match the OSGeo aims. ... Since FOSS4G2007

[OSGeo-Discuss] "Free": So what you're really saying is...

IN CONGRESS, [Date of conference]. The unanimous Declaration of the Free and Open Source Software Developers, When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the legal bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth,

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] "Free"

Or just say "OSI-compliant" -- since that's what OSGeo's charter says..? -mpg > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ned Horning > Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 12:12 PM > To: 'OSGeo Discussions' > Subject: RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] "Free" >

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] "Free"

I am just in favor of Paul supplying free beer... ++ Aaron Racicot - GIS Programmer 360.221.2441 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ++ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Be

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] "Free"

Paul Ramsey wrote: > > The term "free" as used by this community is jargon > , plain and simple, completely > transparent to those in-the-know, opaque to outsiders. The workshop > submission is just a clear example of that. > Would dropping "Free" and just usi

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] "Free"

Thinking - Oracle is apparently trying to learn how to play nice with open source. So far that consists of buying companies - but that is a start. May be worth while to just send them my way for the demo pit (they can answer these kind of questions in person after all); the more exposure both

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] "Free"

Then let's have a "free as in beer" slot for such software. It would be harmful to mix free software (as in liberty) with gratis (or whatever) software in the same slot. At least the proposal does not quite match the OSGeo aims. http://www.osgeo.org/content/faq/foundation_faq.html#Projects_Joinin

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] "Free"

Paulo Marcondes wrote: Paul, as for RMS, while I do not agree all the time with him, we need to have the speech/beer issue quite clear at all times. And we have to take a stand (at least on a personal basis - mine is speech) The term "free" as used by this community is jargon

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] "Free"

That's a different thing. The workshop is *showcasing* Oracle Mapviewer. The workshops you mention aren't showcasing Windows XP, they merely depend on it. Best regards, Bart Dave Patton schreef: Bart van den Eijnden (OSGIS) wrote: But the workshop includes XE as well as Mapviewer. So the

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] "Free"

Hmm. +1 to Allan, I think. In judging the worthiness of a talk or workshop, a consideration might be "Would this talk be able to find an equally good home at a 'regular' tradeshow or conference?" If the answer is "yes", then perhaps that FOSS4G slot might better be given to someone else. Sho

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] "Free"

Bart van den Eijnden (OSGIS) wrote: But the workshop includes XE as well as Mapviewer. So the latter will always cost money for production purposes if I understand all this stuff correctly. That will be a good enough reason to reject the workshop IMHO, otherwise you trick attendees into thin

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] "Free"

But the workshop includes XE as well as Mapviewer. So the latter will always cost money for production purposes if I understand all this stuff correctly. That will be a good enough reason to reject the workshop IMHO, otherwise you trick attendees into thinking that they can build free product

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] "Free"

2007/3/2, Allan Doyle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: There are plenty of places Oracle can demo or hold a workshop. There are not so many places developers of Free and Open Source Software can do the same. Let the non-free companies come and learn about FOSS. I'm not sure we have to teach the FOSS develop

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] "Free"

XE goes beyond that and is actually fully free-as-in-beer for deployment as well as development, as you have pointed out in your previous examinations. I am merely expressing our frustrations at having accidentally solicited a talk about free software, when what we really wanted were talks abo

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] "Free"

As Jody points out, isn't the OTN Development License only useful for creating prototypes and doing development? "We grant you a nonexclusive, nontransferable limited license to use the programs only for the purpose of developing a single prototype of your application, and not for any other pu

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] "Free"

Paulo Marcondes wrote: On another related point, I am always careful with corporate workshops/lectures/whatever, as they too often tend to be more of the advertising than the technical type. There is going to be a "demo pit" for such things - and hopefully a wide range of products from all walks

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] "Free"

I guess the answer to my question is in their FAQ: 10. Is it possible to deploy MapViewer on a 3rd party application server such as JBoss? This is not supported or recommended. However users have successfully deployed the mapviewer.ear file downloaded from OTN into a 3rd party J2EE compliant co

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] An example of code sprint

Jody Garnett wrote: > Thanks for the link > > I am really looking forward to the code sprint; it is going to be very > hard to pick what topics to work on :-D Heh, may be it won't turn into a huge cherry pie battle ;-) Cheers -- Mateusz Loskot http://mateusz.loskot.net _

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] "Free"

Attendees are not just developers of free software, there are lots of people just looking to solve problems in a low-cost way. Some of those low cost solutions are free, others are free. My guess is that the proposed workshop would be heavily attended. Allan Doyle wrote: There are plenty of pl

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] "Free"

So is the conference about "Free" and "Open Source" software ... or "Free and Open Source software" ... (*cough* http://www.amazon.com/Eats-Shoots-Leaves-Tolerance-Punctuation/dp/1592400876 ) Looking at MapViewer pages - trying to see if I can download the source code: - http://www.oracle.

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] "Free"

Oracle XE is free as in beer, and the submitters made the very reasonable assumption that it fit into the mandate of the conference, given that it prominently talks about using free software for geospatial. Not everyone has heard of Richard Stallman (lucky buggers). P Gary Lang wrote: Bee

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] "Free"

There are plenty of places Oracle can demo or hold a workshop. There are not so many places developers of Free and Open Source Software can do the same. Let the non-free companies come and learn about FOSS. I'm not sure we have to teach the FOSS developers about non-free software.

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] "Free"

Paulo Marcondes wrote: I am risking a flamewar here, but I thought I should raise the issue here. Which kind of 'free' are we talking here? Speech or beer? On another related point, I am always careful with corporate workshops/lectures/whatever, as they too often tend to be more of the advertis

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] "Free"

Doesn't the Oracle Mapviewer depend on the Oracle Application Server? I can't imagine the last one is free, or did I miss something? Best regards, Bart Paul Ramsey schreef: Oracle has submitted this workshop proposal to the "Free and Open Source Software for Geospatial 2007 Conference". Dev

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] "Free"

Beer. No source. I think the limitation is 4GB of data store. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paulo Marcondes Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 11:04 AM To: OSGeo Discussions Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] "Free" 2007/3/2, Paul Ramsey <[EMAIL PR

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] "Free"

2007/3/2, Paul Ramsey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Developing GeoSpatial applications for Oracle XE (the free Express Edition of the Oracle database). Looks great to me! I would go (hope it's not cross scheduled with *my* workshop...). And the software they are showing is free. So, a perfect fi

[OSGeo-Discuss] "Free"

Oracle has submitted this workshop proposal to the "Free and Open Source Software for Geospatial 2007 Conference". Developing GeoSpatial applications for Oracle XE (the free Express Edition of the Oracle database). This workshop describes how to use Oracle Database Express Edition (XE) a

[OSGeo-Discuss] "Free"

Oracle has submitted this workshop proposal to the "Free and Open Source Software for Geospatial 2007 Conference". This workshop describes how to use Oracle Database Express Edition (XE) and Oracle MapViewer to develop a simple yet powerful geospatial web application called “Geo Tags”. Documen

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Charter Member Elections

Frank Warmerdam wrote: http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/Membership_Process A) Under "Nominations", point #6 is redundant, given point #1. B) One week of Nominations + 1 week of Voting may rule out participation, as a voter or nominee, by anyone who is on vacation for 2 or more weeks. The effec

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] An example of code sprint

Thanks for the link I am really looking forward to the code sprint; it is going to be very hard to pick what topics to work on :-D Jody Hi, As the FOSS4G 2007 is going to host a code sprint, here is an examaple of one that took place at PyCon 2007: http://us.pycon.org/TX2007/Sprinting AFAI

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Board Elections Process

I think the page should have some information about responsibilities of the board to the outside world, not just what the board does for the organization. A US Public Charity is not taxed because the law considers the benefit of the charity's works merits special treatment. However, that

[OSGeo-Discuss] Board Elections Process

Folks, Similar to the last message about charter member election, we also need to have board elections shortly, and I have outlined a process for this. http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/Proposed_Board_Election_Procedure I also welcome feedback on this, and I would hope to hold board elections s

[OSGeo-Discuss] Charter Member Elections

Folks, It has been our intention for some time to "regularize" a plan for new charter members, and as we pass the one year mark in OSGeo I think it is time to do so. Towards that end, I have prepared a proposed charter member selection procedure at: http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/Membership_