Dear All and, above All, Sanghee,
in my opinion the general theme you are touching is so important that it
deserves a deeper discussion. CoC is just a blanket. Below we can find
fundamental concepts of diversity and equality (and the practical actions for
implementing them) or "hot air" (this i
> On Jun 24, 2015, at 20:35, Darrell Fuhriman wrote:
>
> This is false. Simply false. If people are abused out of a line of work until
> they quit, that’s not “women choosing other jobs” anymore than me walking
> into your house, punching you in the face until you leave then claiming “He
> ab
> I don’t think the reason why OSGeo has not so many women are caused by
> lacking of CoC in OSGeo. According to the statistics National Centre for
> Education Statistics[0], women have outnumbered men in American colleges for
> last 35 years.
Great. Why are so few of them in positions of power
Hello Darrell,
I don’t think the reason why OSGeo has not so many women are caused by lacking
of CoC in OSGeo. According to the statistics National Centre for Education
Statistics[0], women have outnumbered men in American colleges for last 35
years. However women just selected another jobs rat
So we have had a difficult question related to the CoC. I'm sure it
won't be the first.
Based on feedback so far, it appears that rough consensus is that the
suggested images don't represent a breach of (western) norms of what is
considered acceptable.
So here is a proposed action plan:
* OS
I’m not sure who the “we” you are referring to here is, but it certainly does
not include me.
I am absolutely, 100%, interested in having more women become engaged in FOSS4G.
Please don’t make such sweeping generalizations.
We are a broad community, a global community, but we are not truly refl
Less than 48 hours ago Vasile asked for a little more time to summarize the
pro's and con's of previous election procedures.
Could we allow Vasile a few days more to summarize and share this information
with the entire community?
Then we have a good starting point, with all relevant information
Hi Jeff,
What’s the offensive part? I read some teasing statements in Arnulf’s
triggering style. And in fact, I think it makes perfect sense that we move to a
more regular membership of OSGeo where people even pay a small membership fee
to the foundation. Older members that loose interest in OSG
Hi Arnulf,
I don't see the need to become offensive to make your point.
Since you mention a "do-ocracy", and you have pointed out clearly what
you believe must and must not happen, are you willing to champion the
changes that you feel are needed?
We are, as always, "hiring" champions.
Yours
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On 22.06.2015 21:49, Jorge Sanz wrote:
> 2015-06-22 21:14 GMT+02:00 Vasile Craciunescu :
>> Sure, actually I was about to ask the board if such a survey make sense
>> before the elections and then to shape up the questions together.
>>
>
> Looking at
Ah! Anecdotes! Let me provide one from my personal experience that’s more
relevant. A female friend of mine attending a school *was* offended by the
gratuitous insertion of nude pictures in a slide presentation in one of her
classes. That school was soon thereafter subjected to an investigation
To get the presentation in balance again, I suggest:
1) add description to the slide with Girls' Generation image (neither I do
not know this band)
2) replace back of a woman with back of a man, so that the message remains
the same. I volunteer with couple of images of mine, you can grab it from
f
On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 9:58 AM, Eli Adam wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 5:27 AM, Bart van den Eijnden
> wrote:
>> Hey Jeff,
>>
>> if you truly feel this way, please put forward a motion on the next board
>> meeting. This needs to be decided by the board as a whole I guess.
>>
>> Personally I
On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 5:27 AM, Bart van den Eijnden wrote:
> Hey Jeff,
>
> if you truly feel this way, please put forward a motion on the next board
> meeting. This needs to be decided by the board as a whole I guess.
>
> Personally I’m not in favour of destroying all that good work, but I also
Hi, all --
Including the conference list on this, since I think it's relevant (and I
suspect that variations on this conversation are happening in multiple
corners).
re: implementation plans for the CoC. A group of folks met during State of
the Map in NYC earlier this month to talk about what an
Dear Charles,
I understand your real intention now. Just like you mentioned, it's not the
issue of CoC. That's me who links this with CoC. And I myself brought this
to the public discussion since I felt I could be wrong and this might be
the matter of CoC. We should have discussed this earlier in
Hi Kate,
I came up with a 1st September deadline in my head because I don't want
the FOSS4G event to come along without some sort of way to handle
reports. We can ignore the deadline, but I wanted to let everyone know
that a process is really needed, besides text on a webpage. You and I
an
Hi Jeff,
I thought this comment deserved its own discussion. While I agree that not
having an implementation plan for the Code of Conduct is not acceptable I
view it as just as unacceptable to switch to a diversity statement. When I
registered for FOSS4G last week it was with the understanding tha
Hahaha!
I appreciate this. Maybe we need to add some statistics to your
political-correctness-o-meter to measure how much of the world population
is potentially still "on board" at the final slide. This will give a clear
insight of how many people will come to the event. ;-)
On Jun 24, 2015 3:41 P
(I've been trying not to post again, but since in a way I started this (not
meant to go so publicly!), here's my last post):
This isn't a COC issue.
This is a discussion about FOSS4G recruitment and messaging issue,
representing all of us globally who feel part of the FOSS4G community and
want to
El Miércoles 24. junio 2015 12.42.40 Charles Schweik escribió:
> [...] I was raising the question that those slides could turn some women off
> who are considering attending and I think [...]
I feel obliged to jump in the thread, because this looks just like a recent
case of "the limits of jokin
Just my 0.0002 cents,
I feel things are getting over complicated.
We have a CoC, and I think all the Charther member should confirm they
agree (actually a pre-requisite to become a charter member).
Then if a serious case is detected the Member can be eventually banned from
the community.
Otherwi
Dear All,
One thing I could say about the controversial #6 slide is that that is exactly
what Salvador Dali try to point out. I didn’t crop out the image intentionally
for ‘commercial.’ Image in #6 can be found in internet as well as art history
book.
If you visited Dali Museum in Figueres,
Hi Bart,
Yup I fully agree, I was explaining to those passionate about this of
the Board meeting date, how to ask the Board, I even created a wiki page
for the committee, etc, but those interested got quiet (I can't push
everything). There currently isn't a method to discuss, so this was
off
Hi,
On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 2:08 PM, Milo van der Linden
wrote:
> Hi Sanghee,
>
> Thank you for taking this matter to the discuss mailinglist. My first
> reaction when clicking the links from your post was, no problem, this is
> well accepted from my european perspective and I do not directly se
Le mercredi 24 juin 2015 13:29:43, Gert-Jan van der Weijden - Stichting
OSGeo.nl a écrit :
> In my opinion as well there is not a problem, especially since both
> pictures are used within a certain context. However, I realize I'm looking
> through a Western-european, liberal cultural perspective.
On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 1:42 PM, Charles Schweik
wrote:
> By asking Jeff about it offline, I was raising the question that those
> slides could turn some women off who are considering attending and I think
> those kinds of signals are moving the community the wrong direction, and
> that perhaps th
Hi Sanghee,
Thank you for taking this matter to the discuss mailinglist. My first
reaction when clicking the links from your post was, no problem, this is
well accepted from my european perspective and I do not directly see any
offense in them nor see any offense in other cultures. However, after
I thank Sanghee for bringing this to the community. I want to point out
that having just a "Code of Conduct", words, on a website is not enough,
there needs to be a whole structure of how to handle this. In bold
letters I want to state publicly: there is currently no implementation
plan for the O
Hi Charlie,
I actually get your point of view, and tend to agree with it.
Best regards,
Bart
> On 24 Jun 2015, at 13:42, Charles Schweik wrote:
>
> OK, I raised the question of appropriate content to Jeff after I looked at
> the FOSS4G website for a reference for a grant proposal I am writing
OK, I raised the question of appropriate content to Jeff after I looked at
the FOSS4G website for a reference for a grant proposal I am writing at a
time when I was thinking specifically about diversity recruitment to
GeoForAll.
By asking Jeff about it offline, I was raising the question that thos
In my opinion as well there is not a problem, especially since both pictures
are used within a certain context.
However, I realize I'm looking through a Western-european, liberal cultural
perspective.
Perhaps someone from for instance the Senegal local OSGeo chapter can comment
on this from a d
+1
-Peter
On 06/24/15 13:01, Jeroen Ticheler wrote:
> Dear Sanghee,
>
> In my opinion these are perfectly fine. But could you please remove a couple
> of other pictures picturing OSGeo developers (male dominated, generalizing
> men as nerds)?
>
> ;-) Joking apart, I’ve not been in favor of the
Dear Sanghee,
In my opinion these are perfectly fine. But could you please remove a couple of
other pictures picturing OSGeo developers (male dominated, generalizing men as
nerds)?
;-) Joking apart, I’ve not been in favor of the CoC in the first place. I think
it creates more unwanted side eff
Hello Sanghee,
> I was asked to remove a few slides from my presentation "7 Reasons why you
> should come to FOSS4G 2015 Seoul”[1], which is at the main page of FOSS4G
> Seoul, as being possibly offensive to women. Specifically to say, slide #6
> (nude female in painting) and slide #20 (row of
Hi Sanghee,
My personal opinion (as a female member of OSGeo) is that these slides are
certainly NOT offensive to women. From your description, they are being
used in context and there should be no problems with that.
Jo
On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 11:22 AM, Sanghee Shin wrote:
> Dear All,
>
> It’
Dear All,
It’s now time to apply OSGeo CoC(Code of Conduct)[0] in real case.
I was asked to remove a few slides from my presentation "7 Reasons why you
should come to FOSS4G 2015 Seoul”[1], which is at the main page of FOSS4G
Seoul, as being possibly offensive to women. Specifically to say, s
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Dear all,
1) please see below, in relation to an EAANCVGI [1] project which has
already been advertized in the past on this list...
2) While the topic of the July 29 event
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