Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [OSGeo-Conf] Code of Conduct in Real Case

2015-06-26 Thread Steven Feldman
Well said Sanghee __ Steven > On 25 Jun 2015, at 02:21, Sanghee Shin wrote: > > Hello Darrell, > > I don’t think the reason why OSGeo has not so many women are caused by > lacking of CoC in OSGeo. According to the statistics National Centre for > Education Statistics[0], women have outnu

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [OSGeo-Conf] Code of Conduct in Real Case

2015-06-25 Thread Pat Tressel
> There are other aspects to Seoul culture besides K-pop. A montage of >> several images showing a range of cultural aspects would de-emphasize the >> "sex" aspect. ... >> > For contrast, ~everyone on the planet would recognize Psy. >> > If you had a montage of other artists from the K-Pop scene (

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [OSGeo-Conf] Code of Conduct in Real Case

2015-06-25 Thread David Percy
Hi Sanghee, thanks for bringing this into the open. There are a lot of strong feelings/opinions on this subject, which as a strong community we will work through. The Dali painting seems innocent. The girl band photo, lacking a lot of context, says to me "come to South Korea for the pretty ladies

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [OSGeo-Conf] Code of Conduct in Real Case

2015-06-25 Thread clem...@igonet.fr
Why don't the women take the place and the power by themselves? Le 25 juin 2015 08:19:25 UTC+02:00, Darrell Fuhriman a écrit : > >> On Jun 24, 2015, at 20:35, Darrell Fuhriman >wrote: >> >> This is false. Simply false. If people are abused out of a line of >work until they quit, that’s not “wo

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [OSGeo-Conf] Code of Conduct in Real Case

2015-06-25 Thread Darrell Fuhriman
> On Jun 24, 2015, at 23:26, clem...@igonet.fr wrote: > > Why don't the women take the place and the power by themselves? Why don’t the poor take from the rich? Why don’t the weak take from the strong? Why don’t the slaves take over the master’s house? The question should answer itself. Darre

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [OSGeo-Conf] Code of Conduct in Real Case

2015-06-24 Thread Polimi
Dear All and, above All, Sanghee, in my opinion the general theme you are touching is so important that it deserves a deeper discussion. CoC is just a blanket. Below we can find fundamental concepts of diversity and equality (and the practical actions for implementing them) or "hot air" (this i

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [OSGeo-Conf] Code of Conduct in Real Case

2015-06-24 Thread Darrell Fuhriman
> On Jun 24, 2015, at 20:35, Darrell Fuhriman wrote: > > This is false. Simply false. If people are abused out of a line of work until > they quit, that’s not “women choosing other jobs” anymore than me walking > into your house, punching you in the face until you leave then claiming “He > ab

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [OSGeo-Conf] Code of Conduct in Real Case

2015-06-24 Thread Darrell Fuhriman
> I don’t think the reason why OSGeo has not so many women are caused by > lacking of CoC in OSGeo. According to the statistics National Centre for > Education Statistics[0], women have outnumbered men in American colleges for > last 35 years. Great. Why are so few of them in positions of power

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [OSGeo-Conf] Code of Conduct in Real Case

2015-06-24 Thread Sanghee Shin
Hello Darrell, I don’t think the reason why OSGeo has not so many women are caused by lacking of CoC in OSGeo. According to the statistics National Centre for Education Statistics[0], women have outnumbered men in American colleges for last 35 years. However women just selected another jobs rat

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [OSGeo-Conf] Code of Conduct in Real Case

2015-06-24 Thread Cameron Shorter
So we have had a difficult question related to the CoC. I'm sure it won't be the first. Based on feedback so far, it appears that rough consensus is that the suggested images don't represent a breach of (western) norms of what is considered acceptable. So here is a proposed action plan: * OS

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [OSGeo-Conf] Code of Conduct in Real Case

2015-06-24 Thread Darrell Fuhriman
I’m not sure who the “we” you are referring to here is, but it certainly does not include me. I am absolutely, 100%, interested in having more women become engaged in FOSS4G. Please don’t make such sweeping generalizations. We are a broad community, a global community, but we are not truly refl

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [OSGeo-Conf] Code of Conduct in Real Case

2015-06-24 Thread Jachym Cepicky
To get the presentation in balance again, I suggest: 1) add description to the slide with Girls' Generation image (neither I do not know this band) 2) replace back of a woman with back of a man, so that the message remains the same. I volunteer with couple of images of mine, you can grab it from f

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [OSGeo-Conf] Code of Conduct in Real Case

2015-06-24 Thread Even Rouault
ert-Jan > > > > > -Oorspronkelijk bericht- > Van: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org > [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] Namens Peter Baumann Verzonden: > woensdag 24 juni 2015 13:12 > Aan: Jeroen Ticheler; Sanghee Shin > CC: OSGeo Discussions; Confer

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [OSGeo-Conf] Code of Conduct in Real Case

2015-06-24 Thread Gert-Jan van der Weijden - Stichting OSGeo.nl
sions; Conference Dev Onderwerp: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [OSGeo-Conf] Code of Conduct in Real Case +1 -Peter On 06/24/15 13:01, Jeroen Ticheler wrote: > Dear Sanghee, > > In my opinion these are perfectly fine. But could you please remove a couple > of other pictures picturing OSGeo developer

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [OSGeo-Conf] Code of Conduct in Real Case

2015-06-24 Thread Peter Baumann
+1 -Peter On 06/24/15 13:01, Jeroen Ticheler wrote: > Dear Sanghee, > > In my opinion these are perfectly fine. But could you please remove a couple > of other pictures picturing OSGeo developers (male dominated, generalizing > men as nerds)? > > ;-) Joking apart, I’ve not been in favor of the

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [OSGeo-Conf] Code of Conduct in Real Case

2015-06-24 Thread Jeroen Ticheler
Dear Sanghee, In my opinion these are perfectly fine. But could you please remove a couple of other pictures picturing OSGeo developers (male dominated, generalizing men as nerds)? ;-) Joking apart, I’ve not been in favor of the CoC in the first place. I think it creates more unwanted side eff