Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Can I do the same GIS tasks with OS (as with ESRI)?

2008-05-06 Thread P Kishor
On 5/6/08, Christopher Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, May 06, 2008 at 11:00:54PM +0200, Dirk Frigne wrote: > > > On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 08:21:21PM +0200, Arnulf Christl wrote: > > > > What was a Desktop GIS exactly? I only have a browser and for some > > > strange > > > > reason

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Can I do the same GIS tasks with OS (as with ESRI)?

2008-05-06 Thread Christopher Schmidt
On Tue, May 06, 2008 at 11:00:54PM +0200, Dirk Frigne wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 08:21:21PM +0200, Arnulf Christl wrote: > > > What was a Desktop GIS exactly? I only have a browser and for some > > strange > > > reason all that I do starts with an http://... > > > > A Desktop GIS is what y

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Can I do the same GIS tasks with OS (as with ESRI)?

2008-05-06 Thread Dirk Frigne
> -Oorspronkelijk bericht- > Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:discuss- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Namens Christopher Schmidt > Verzonden: vrijdag 25 april 2008 20:52 > Aan: OSGeo Discussions > Onderwerp: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Can I do the same GIS tasks with OS (as > with ESRI)

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Can I do the same GIS tasks with OS (as with ESRI)?

2008-04-29 Thread Randy George
TECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mohamed Ghareeb Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 5:14 AM To: 'OSGeo Discussions' Subject: RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Can I do the same GIS tasks with OS (as with ESRI)? Concerning OpenJump it is really good but I couldn't make a pie chart map with

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Can I do the same GIS tasks with OS (as with ESRI)?

2008-04-29 Thread Mohamed Ghareeb
- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Landon Blake Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 10:36 PM To: OSGeo Discussions Subject: RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Can I do the same GIS tasks with OS (as with ESRI)? A convert! Welcome Jennifer. I can't speak for GRASS, but I know that

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Can I do the same GIS tasks with OS (as with ESRI)?

2008-04-26 Thread Jorge Gaspar Sanz Salinas
; > > - Original Message > From: Malte Halbey-Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: OSGeo Discussions > Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 11:56:26 AM > Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Can I do the same GIS tasks with OS (as with > ESRI)? > > Hi, > > IMHO the most b

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Can I do the same GIS tasks with OS (as with ESRI)?

2008-04-26 Thread Saka Royban
008 11:56:26 AM Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Can I do the same GIS tasks with OS (as with ESRI)? Hi, IMHO the most barrier for people using OS GIS is the lack of a user friendly interface, especially for map production and digitising. I know that this has been stated before in this thread, but I want st

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Can I do the same GIS tasks with OS (as with ESRI)?

2008-04-26 Thread Agustin Diez Castillo
gvSIG (Tyler already metioned it) is great to work with vectors. Actually, ESRI Spain don't like it because is to similar to arcGIS, in their words. I can't say, I haven't used ArcGIS, but gvSIG [1] + Sextante [2] is perfect tool to produce nice maps easily. The whole transport and infraest

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Can I do the same GIS tasks with OS (as with ESRI)?

2008-04-26 Thread RAVI KUMAR
Changing Goal Posts This is more for the proprietory software, where they have to keep their heads above the water line. So CAD software try to become GIS and GIS software adds Image analysis and Image aanalysis software tries to add GIS features. For Open Source GIS, all open source software i

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Can I do the same GIS tasks with OS (as with ESRI)?

2008-04-26 Thread Malte Halbey-Martin
Hi, IMHO the most barrier for people using OS GIS is the lack of a user friendly interface, especially for map production and digitising. I know that this has been stated before in this thread, but I want stress this point out. I'm working as as supporter and software trainer for a software compa

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Can I do the same GIS tasks with OS (as with ESRI)?

2008-04-26 Thread RAVI KUMAR
Hi Cameron, the table of comparison is informative. Most of the ARC-GIS users (my personal view) are Vector GIS users. They are concerned of 1. Registration of Paper maps into GIS 2. Attribution 3. Analysis depending on their need. CAD 4. Outputs of the above are also to be plotted in elegant map

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Can I do the same GIS tasks with OS (as with ESRI)?

2008-04-25 Thread Wolf Bergenheim
Subject: Re: [GRASS-user] [Fwd: [OSGeo-Discuss] Can I do the same GIS Tasks with OS (as with ESRI)?] Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 12:13:49 +0200 From: Markus Metz To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Todd Buchanan compared GRASS and ArcGIS in his master thesis (Geoscience / GIS): Title: Thesis – Comparison of

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Can I do the same GIS tasks with OS (as with ESRI)?

2008-04-25 Thread Cameron Shorter
Ravi, What us Open Source evangelists are missing is an honest comparison between ESRI desktop applications and Open Source equivalents. What is it about ArcView and ArcGIS that people really like, listed feature by feature in a table. Then identify whether Open Source covers it and how. Very

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Can I do the same GIS tasks with OS (as with ESRI)?

2008-04-25 Thread RAVI KUMAR
Hi, this is the kind of question I face when in my lectures evangelising OS GIS. ArcGIS has many tools, though some prefer to call it a deluge of tools, which almost distance the user from understanding the concept of GIS. Auto Complete Polygon: In Qgis which is a very userfriendly OS GIS you ha

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Can I do the same GIS tasks with OS (as with ESRI)?

2008-04-25 Thread andrea antonello
> > I agree with Paul, power without control doesn't lead anywhere. GRASS > > is of huge power, but following my past commercial experiences, I > > > > Hehe, didn't you just say "my past proprietary experiences"? > > Sorry to be dense and all that... No worries, but I really meant: "my past comm

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Can I do the same GIS tasks with OS (as with ESRI)?

2008-04-25 Thread P Kishor
On 4/25/08, Arnulf Christl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: .. > Legacy GIS Architect > In the world of neogeography punks, this is a nice throwback to the future. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discu

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Can I do the same GIS tasks with OS (as with ESRI)?

2008-04-25 Thread Arnulf Christl
On Fri, April 25, 2008 20:51, Christopher Schmidt wrote: > On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 08:21:21PM +0200, Arnulf Christl wrote: > >> What was a Desktop GIS exactly? I only have a browser and for some >> strange reason all that I do starts with an http://... > > A Desktop GIS is what you switch to when

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Can I do the same GIS tasks with OS (as with ESRI)?

2008-04-25 Thread Markus Neteler
On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 11:55 PM, George R. C. Silva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ... > One thing GIS OS software could have are better editing tools. I do miss > them alot, and the one is ArcGIS are unbeatable (i dont know any O.S. > software that have 'autocomplete polygon', tons of snapping optio

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Can I do the same GIS tasks with OS (as with ESRI)?

2008-04-25 Thread Markus Neteler
This is why I proposed http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Cartographic_Library :) Markus On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 11:30 PM, David William Bitner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I would agree with Paul. The biggest hole in the FOSS stack is in easy, > high quality printed map production. This is the

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Can I do the same GIS tasks with OS (as with ESRI)?

2008-04-25 Thread Christopher Schmidt
On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 08:21:21PM +0200, Arnulf Christl wrote: > What was a Desktop GIS exactly? I only have a browser and for some strange > reason all that I do starts with an http://... A Desktop GIS is what you switch to when you realize that the browser makes a really poor operating system,

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Can I do the same GIS tasks with OS (as with ESRI)?

2008-04-25 Thread Arnulf Christl
andrea antonello wrote: Among the things that QGIS (and other open source desktops) can't do are a table join, a spatial join I'm not sure what you mean with spatial join, but if you mean overlay, and raster combination GRASS can do, and it can also do table joins, while it overlays two vector

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Can I do the same GIS tasks with OS (as with ESRI)?

2008-04-25 Thread Tyler Mitchell (OSGeo)
I agree with some of the other responses that challenge the way of traditional thinking. Desktop GIS, Web and Databases are the tools of today - it's interesting to watch the various ways they come together (collide?) in projects. If you look to replace desktop proprietary options, you ma

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Can I do the same GIS tasks with OS (as with ESRI)?

2008-04-25 Thread andrea antonello
> > Among the things that QGIS (and other open source desktops) can't do > > are a table join, a spatial join > > > > I'm not sure what you mean with spatial join, but if you mean overlay, and > raster combination GRASS can do, and it can also do table joins, while it > overlays two vector layers.

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Can I do the same GIS tasks with OS (as with ESRI)?

2008-04-25 Thread Wolf Bergenheim
On 25.04.2008 17:55, Paul Ramsey wrote: Paolo, Among the things that QGIS (and other open source desktops) can't do are a table join, a spatial join I'm not sure what you mean with spatial join, but if you mean overlay, and raster combination GRASS can do, and it can also do table joins, whi

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Can I do the same GIS tasks with OS (as with ESRI)?

2008-04-25 Thread Paul Ramsey
Paolo, Among the things that QGIS (and other open source desktops) can't do are a table join, a spatial join, high quality paper output, and symbolized thematic mapping. Particular drawbacks of QGIS include the single-threaded user interface model (ui locks during render, making work with large f

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Can I do the same GIS tasks with OS (as with ESRI)?

2008-04-24 Thread Paolo Cavallini
George R. C. Silva ha scritto: > One thing GIS OS software could have are better editing tools. I do miss > them alot, and the one is ArcGIS are unbeatable (i dont know any O.S. > software that have 'autocomplete polygon', tons of snapping options, etc > - btw, if you do, let me know). Have you t

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Can I do the same GIS tasks with OS (as with ESRI)?

2008-04-24 Thread Paolo Cavallini
Paul Ramsey ha scritto: > I'd buck up for a copy of ArcView (much cheaper than ArcGIS), and use > GRASS / PostGIS / etc tools for things like analysis. You can use > ArcView to generate the paper and do some quick low-end analytics and > the other tools for more involved stuff. A reasonably good r

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Can I do the same GIS tasks with OS (as with ESRI)?

2008-04-24 Thread John Callahan
A few things... - As you alluded to, it's very easy to create a seamless mosaic, or a raster catalog. And pyramids (overviews) and statistics are created automatically, if you like. The same loading process works if you have a one IMG file at 2 GB, or 100 JPEGs at 100 MB each, or 2000 TIFs a

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Can I do the same GIS tasks with OS (as with ESRI)?

2008-04-24 Thread Paul Ramsey
> 3) Storage and serving of very large (50+ GB) raster datasets. PostGIS > does not support rasters yet; Oracle Spatial does though. I'm still not > sure if storing rasters in a database is a good idea but ArcSDE sure makes > it easy, and with good performance when used in conjunction with other

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Can I do the same GIS tasks with OS (as with ESRI)?

2008-04-24 Thread John Callahan
I've been an ESRI user (AV 3.x, ArcGIS 8/9, ArcIMS, ArcGIS Server, ArcSDE) for 12+ years and have recently started exploring FOSS software. And I haven't disagreed with any of the responses so far. You will definitely need multiple programs to do what a single ESRI program can do. IMO, this

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Can I do the same GIS tasks with OS (as with ESRI)?

2008-04-24 Thread Cameron Shorter
Joanne Cook provided good insights into replacing ArcGIS software with Open Source on the geowanking list recently. http://lists.burri.to/pipermail/geowanking/2008-April/005117.html (and copied below) I'd love to see all this expertise collated into an ESRI/Open Source comparison similar to t

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Can I do the same GIS tasks with OS (as with ESRI)?

2008-04-24 Thread Randy George
/fop option. randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Josh Livni Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 4:41 PM To: OSGeo Discussions Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Can I do the same GIS tasks with OS (as with ESRI)? If you want nice cartographic

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Can I do the same GIS tasks with OS (as with ESRI)?

2008-04-24 Thread Josh Livni
If you want nice cartographic output, ArcMap on a totally different level than ArcView. I think I paid about 1k a few years ago for my copy (no extensions) through some reseller, which I really don't think is outlandish at all for what you get. That said, I rarely do paper-based cartography

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Can I do the same GIS tasks with OS (as with ESRI)?

2008-04-24 Thread George R. C. Silva
Im a real novice in the OS world, and i´m enjoying. I´m liking what i see! ESRI has good software, but the world of OS is just great and i love the flexibility i have. One thing GIS OS software could have are better editing tools. I do miss them alot, and the one is ArcGIS are unbeatable (i d

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Can I do the same GIS tasks with OS (as with ESRI)?

2008-04-24 Thread Randy George
Blake Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 2:36 PM To: OSGeo Discussions Subject: RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Can I do the same GIS tasks with OS (as with ESRI)? A convert! Welcome Jennifer. I can't speak for GRASS, but I know that OpenJUMP (http://jump-pilot.sourceforge.net/OpenJUMP.html) could be compar

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Can I do the same GIS tasks with OS (as with ESRI)?

2008-04-24 Thread David William Bitner
I would agree with Paul. The biggest hole in the FOSS stack is in easy, high quality printed map production. This is the one task where the Arc tools beat anything I have seen in FOSS GIS hands down. David On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 3:36 PM, Paul Ramsey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'd buck up fo

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Can I do the same GIS tasks with OS (as with ESRI)?

2008-04-24 Thread Paul Ramsey
I'd buck up for a copy of ArcView (much cheaper than ArcGIS), and use GRASS / PostGIS / etc tools for things like analysis. You can use ArcView to generate the paper and do some quick low-end analytics and the other tools for more involved stuff. My general synopsis: for server-side, for scriptabi

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Can I do the same GIS tasks with OS (as with ESRI)?

2008-04-24 Thread Landon Blake
Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jennifer Horsman Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 12:41 PM To: OSGeo Discussions Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] Can I do the same GIS tasks with OS (as with ESRI)? The thread that was started today with the subject "

[OSGeo-Discuss] Can I do the same GIS tasks with OS (as with ESRI)?

2008-04-24 Thread Jennifer Horsman
The thread that was started today with the subject "Your open source career" got me thinking about asking a question that has been rolling around in my head. This is pointed at those people who have experience with ESRI products as well as OS GIS products. I have been a long-time user of ESRI