Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: FOSS4G 2007 Workshop Submission

2007-03-30 Thread Jody Garnett
Arnulf Christl wrote: Hey Paul, without wanting to break your planning, would it be possible to cut the Mapbender Workshop slot and share it with GeoNetwork (if they are happy with 1.5 hs)? The Mapbender workshop is a better fit with the GeoTools codewise introduction to GIS. If we include .net

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: FOSS4G 2007 Workshop Submission

2007-03-30 Thread Przemysław Bojczuk
Steve Lime wrote: > I'll be lucky to go to one conference a year, let alone two and would imagine > others would > be in the same boat. Yeah, I'm now trying to find some funding to go to the conference, especially for flying through half-the-globe, which will consume over 50% of the money needed

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: FOSS4G 2007 Workshop Submission

2007-03-29 Thread Paul Ramsey
Arnulf Christl wrote: without wanting to break your planning, would it be possible to cut the Mapbender Workshop slot and share it with GeoNetwork (if they are happy with 1.5 hs)? I would be pleased to shorten our part a bit to make some space as I think that metadata actually is a highly import

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: FOSS4G 2007 Workshop Submission

2007-03-29 Thread Frank Warmerdam
Jody Garnett wrote: I was sad *not* to do some developer focused workshops. I am a developer and frankly I need more developers on the different open source projects I am involved with. I would like nothing more then to set up a workshop to inspire and involve new contributors in lots of 40.

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: FOSS4G 2007 Workshop Submission

2007-03-29 Thread Arnulf Christl
On Thu, March 29, 2007 07:36, Jeroen Ticheler wrote: > Dear people, > > Thank you for your information. I have to say I find that pretty > frustrating and annoying knowing that GeoNetwork opensource is one of > the incubator projects of OSGEO, the number of OSGEO projects is > (still) limited and

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: FOSS4G 2007 Workshop Submission

2007-03-29 Thread Arnulf Christl
On Thu, March 29, 2007 18:47, Bob Basques wrote: > All, > > Why not simply have an all OSGEO conference. > > No reason not to have or be a part of FOSS4G. But it sounds like there > is enough interest in having a conference with a OSGEO bent as well. > > bobb Hey, we have satisfied the need for

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: FOSS4G 2007 Workshop Submission

2007-03-29 Thread Daniel Ames
Jody and others, Thanks for all of the interesting discussion. I must admit it's hard to be too critical of the conference committe having not volunteered to participate on it (maybe next time?). So thank you to all who are working on this. I also understand that any kind of review process is

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: FOSS4G 2007 Workshop Submission

2007-03-29 Thread Jody Garnett
Correction :-) Hi Daniel - I agree that workshops are the most valued part of the conference; I was a bit sad personally to do some more developer focused workshops (but looking at the target audience for the conference I did not expect any such applications to be successful). I was sad *not*

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: FOSS4G 2007 Workshop Submission

2007-03-29 Thread Jody Garnett
Hi Daniel - I agree that workshops are the most valued part of the conference; I was a bit sad personally to do some more developer focused workshops (but looking at the target audience for the conference I did not expect any such applications to be successful). Since I was interested in the

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: FOSS4G 2007 Workshop Submission

2007-03-29 Thread Frank Warmerdam
P Kishor wrote: Hopefully next meeting, wherever it is, will consider a format that allows the presenter and the audience to spend a longer time to delve into the issues and really have a conversation. Of course, that does not obviate "5-min lightning talks" on snack-size issues as well. Puneet

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: FOSS4G 2007 Workshop Submission

2007-03-29 Thread Bart van den Eijnden (OSGIS)
If you make it two hour workshops you can have 18 instead of 12. 2 hours is more than enough IMHO. Best regards, Bart Paul Ramsey schreef: Jeroen, I appreciate your frustration, and I know it is shared by many others, as only 12 of the 34 3-hour workshop submissions could be hosted. The cr

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: FOSS4G 2007 Workshop Submission

2007-03-29 Thread Paul Ramsey
Paul Ramsey wrote: I take very SERIOUSLY my responsibility to OSGeo to make sure this conference does well and does cause a liability for the organization. I of course meant, "does NOT cause". Murphy. -- Paul Ramsey Refractions Research http://www.refractions.net [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: FOSS4G 2007 Workshop Submission

2007-03-29 Thread Paul Ramsey
Bob Basques wrote: Why not simply have an all OSGEO conference. FOSS4G is "presented by OSGeo", it is already an OSGeo conference. This has the very real consequence that if the conference loses money OSGeo loses money. They are holding the financial risk bag. If I am not satisfying every

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: FOSS4G 2007 Workshop Submission

2007-03-29 Thread Steve Lime
I'll be lucky to go to one conference a year, let alone two and would imagine others would be in the same boat. Steve >>> On 3/29/2007 at 11:47 AM, in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Bob Basques" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > All, > > Why not simply have an all OSGEO conference. > > No reason n

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: FOSS4G 2007 Workshop Submission

2007-03-29 Thread Bob Basques
All, Why not simply have an all OSGEO conference. No reason not to have or be a part of FOSS4G. But it sounds like there is enough interest in having a conference with a OSGEO bent as well. bobb >>> Tyler Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 28-Mar-07, at 10:36 PM, Jeroen Ticheler wrot

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: FOSS4G 2007 Workshop Submission

2007-03-29 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
te in those discussions. -mpg From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Daniel Ames Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 8:08 AM To: OSGeo Discussions Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: FOSS4G 2007 Workshop Submission

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: FOSS4G 2007 Workshop Submission

2007-03-29 Thread Tyler Mitchell
On 28-Mar-07, at 10:36 PM, Jeroen Ticheler wrote: Thank you for your information. I have to say I find that pretty frustrating and annoying knowing that GeoNetwork opensource is one of the incubator projects of OSGEO, the number of OSGEO projects is (still) limited and FOSS4G is the OSGEO c

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: FOSS4G 2007 Workshop Submission

2007-03-29 Thread P Kishor
sorry to bung into this conversation given that neither am I organizing, nor presenting, not even being there in person. Nevertheless, I echo Dan's viewpoint about the relative value of 20 mins presentations vs. longer workshops. I have been a few conferences in the lifetime, and I just can't imag

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: FOSS4G 2007 Workshop Submission

2007-03-29 Thread Paul Ramsey
Perhaps that is the approach you'll advocate next year when you volunteer for the committee. Allan Doyle wrote: I count 12 projects on the slightly twitchy osgeo.org home page. I would agree that osgeo projects should be given a strong preference if not an automatic slot. With 12 workshops, it

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: FOSS4G 2007 Workshop Submission

2007-03-29 Thread Paul Ramsey
I'm sorry, but I don't have many other doors to open, and I cannot imagine you truly expected me to find alternative arrangements for all 22 3-hour workshops that did not make the 12. For every point ("GeoNetwork is an OSGeo project") there is a counterpoint ("MapWindow is a popular project yo

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: FOSS4G 2007 Workshop Submission

2007-03-29 Thread Allan Doyle
I count 12 projects on the slightly twitchy osgeo.org home page. I would agree that osgeo projects should be given a strong preference if not an automatic slot. With 12 workshops, it's hard to see why each project doesn't get a slot. Allan On Mar 29, 2007, at 11:15, Jeroen Ticheler

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: FOSS4G 2007 Workshop Submission

2007-03-29 Thread Jeroen Ticheler
Hi Paul, Hard not to be frustrated if I look at the closed ranking/review process, the final list that includes non-OSGEO workshops and the fact that no consultation has taken place with workshop submitters on possible alternatives. Just the blunt email that closes the door. Jeroen On Mar

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: FOSS4G 2007 Workshop Submission

2007-03-29 Thread Daniel Ames
Paul and others, I too was disappointed to be in the 22 of 34 workshop proposals that were turned down and would like to suggest that the conference organizers re-think the approach to include more workshops. At FOSS4g2006, I found the workshops to be perhaps the most useful element of the confe

[OSGeo-Discuss] Re: FOSS4G 2007 Workshop Submission

2007-03-29 Thread Paul Ramsey
Jeroen, I appreciate your frustration, and I know it is shared by many others, as only 12 of the 34 3-hour workshop submissions could be hosted. The criteria the workshop committee used in their evaluation are here: http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/ FOSS4G2007_Workshops#Criteria_used_by_

[OSGeo-Discuss] Re: FOSS4G 2007 Workshop Submission

2007-03-28 Thread Jeroen Ticheler
Dear people, Thank you for your information. I have to say I find that pretty frustrating and annoying knowing that GeoNetwork opensource is one of the incubator projects of OSGEO, the number of OSGEO projects is (still) limited and FOSS4G is the OSGEO conference. Participating with the p