Re: [slim] Re: Squeezebox3 - Complete FREAKOUT stereo damage warning

2006-03-02 Thread Free Lunch
Ah yes, the version. I was running the bug fix nightly from Feb 14: SlimServer_6_2_x_v2006-02-14.tar.gz And it looks like that version installs firmware version 33. On 3/1/06, Ben Sandee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/1/06, Free Lunch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any progress on

Re: [slim] Re: Squeezebox3 - Complete FREAKOUT stereo damage warning

2006-03-01 Thread Free Lunch
Had another Squeezebox3 freak out this morning. The power to my house was interrupted for a few seconds and the sb3 lost power. When it came back up, it was sending a buzzing signal to the right channel of my amp at a moderate volume. There was no slimserver running at the time. After I

[slim] Re: Squeezebox3 - Complete FREAKOUT stereo damage warning

2005-12-07 Thread freelunch
Aaron Zinck Wrote: [color=blue] However, if you're using a preamp then you're likely using your SB3 at full volume output all the time and relying on the preamp for attenuation. This results in a greatly reduced volume differential between the 100% volume music signal and the 100% volume

[slim] Re: Squeezebox3 - Complete FREAKOUT stereo damage warning

2005-12-07 Thread jonheal
Since I haven't received my SB3 yet, I'm a little ignorant, but from what I've read, the first thing you do before connecting your SB3 directly to an amp is set the SB3's preamp volume to zero, and then work your way up from there until you have an appropriate output voltage to drive your amp.

[slim] Re: Squeezebox3 - Complete FREAKOUT stereo damage warning

2005-12-07 Thread qwerty
Another p#ss!ing contest in the Slim forums. Doesn't this belong in the Audiophile section? You know, the place where they care more about gear and counting the bits than actually listening to music? ;-) -- qwerty

[slim] Re: Squeezebox3 - Complete FREAKOUT stereo damage warning

2005-12-07 Thread Kurt
Doesn't this belong in the Audiophile section? Tis the season! -- Kurt SqueezeBox 2, interconnects weaved by God himself suspended on 24K gold support beams placed exactly .9842 inches above the floor, driving Martin Logan modified electrostatics made with woven butterfly wings.

[slim] Re: Squeezebox3 - Complete FREAKOUT stereo damage warning

2005-12-07 Thread jonheal
qwerty Wrote: Another p#ss!ing contest in the Slim forums. Doesn't this belong in the Audiophile section? You know, the place where they care more about gear and counting the bits than actually listening to music? ;-) Well, if there is a bug that could potentialy shred your speakers,

[slim] Re: Squeezebox3 - Complete FREAKOUT stereo damage warning

2005-12-07 Thread Kurt
Point taken. Agreed! -- Kurt SqueezeBox 2, interconnects weaved by God himself suspended on 24K gold support beams placed exactly .9842 inches above the floor, driving Martin Logan modified electrostatics made with woven butterfly wings.

[slim] Re: Squeezebox3 - Complete FREAKOUT stereo damage warning

2005-12-07 Thread ianjohnson_nz
jonheal Wrote: Well, if there is a bug that could potentialy shred your speakers, whether they cost $30 or $3,000, that seems like a problem of general interest to everyone. (Butterfly wings a pretty delicate, you know.) Indeed. But it's a bug with, to date, no concrete analysis and no

[slim] Re: Squeezebox3 - Complete FREAKOUT stereo damage warning

2005-12-06 Thread enduser
seanadams Wrote: FL, Sorry about the trouble. FWIW we have always cautioned against connecting directly to an amp unless levels are appropriately limited on the analog side. SeanIt looks like your (in)famous speaker-killer bug is still there. BTW, this issue cannot be solved with

[slim] Re: Squeezebox3 - Complete FREAKOUT stereo damage warning

2005-12-06 Thread Cleve
To be fair - do most sources (ie, cd players, tuners, tape decks, phono cartridges) have any type of level protection built in?I don't think so. Regardless, situations like this make me glad I have McIntosh amplification with Power Guard and Sentry Monitor. My loudspeaker investment is

[slim] Re: Squeezebox3 - Complete FREAKOUT stereo damage warning

2005-12-06 Thread enduser
Cleve Wrote: To be fair - do most sources (ie, cd players, tuners, tape decks, phono cartridges) have any type of level protection built in?I don't think so. Regardless, situations like this make me glad I have McIntosh amplification with Power Guard and Sentry Monitor. My

Re: [slim] Re: Squeezebox3 - Complete FREAKOUT stereo damage warning

2005-12-06 Thread T
In my experience with SB1/SB3, I don't think the SB does anything to provide safe signals. In my experiance, almost no consumer or professional equipment does, except as an option at extra cost. Tom ___ Discuss mailing list

[slim] Re: Squeezebox3 - Complete FREAKOUT stereo damage warning

2005-12-06 Thread Khuli
enduser Wrote: In the digital world, it takes a stream processing architecture that validates the stream and filters it with a digital peak limiter... I maybe missing something here, but aren't digital signals limited anyway to the maximum number of bits in the signal? I was under the

[slim] Re: Squeezebox3 - Complete FREAKOUT stereo damage warning

2005-12-06 Thread enduser
Khuli Wrote: I maybe missing something here, but aren't digital signals limited anyway to the maximum number of bits in the signal? I was under the impression that (digital) peak limiters were used to prevent excessive clipping when amplifying signals or recording from an analogue source,

[slim] Re: Squeezebox3 - Complete FREAKOUT stereo damage warning

2005-12-06 Thread enduser
Aaron Zinck Wrote: BTW, this issue cannot be solved with your 'caution' advice. A preamp doesn't help vs. just using an amp. The volume control is not effective either. To the contrary--a preamp surely does help in this situation. The garbage sound that's been described is

RE: [slim] Re: Squeezebox3 - Complete FREAKOUT stereo damage warning

2005-12-06 Thread Dan Goodinson
enduser Wrote: There is no nice solution other than building in a quality peak limiter or running a scanner/filter on the digital data stream before it gets sent out the digital port for digital-to-digital situations. Would that not be the same as replay gain? My (admittedly limited)

[slim] Re: Squeezebox3 - Complete FREAKOUT stereo damage warning

2005-12-06 Thread enduser
Dan Goodinson Wrote: enduser Wrote: There is no nice solution other than building in a quality peak limiter or running a scanner/filter on the digital data stream before it gets sent out the digital port for digital-to-digital situations. Would that not be the same as replay gain?

Re: [slim] Re: Squeezebox3 - Complete FREAKOUT stereo damage warning

2005-12-06 Thread Alex Twisleton-Wykeham-Fiennes
On Tue 6 December 2005 17:06, enduser wrote: Dan Goodinson Wrote: enduser Wrote: There is no nice solution other than building in a quality peak limiter or running a scanner/filter on the digital data stream before it gets sent out the digital port for digital-to-digital situations.

Re: [slim] Re: Squeezebox3 - Complete FREAKOUT stereo damage warning

2005-12-06 Thread T
what is really needed is what radio stations use which is essentially a real-time mastering engine. This includes compression, equalization, gating, peak limiting, etc. This is the only way to get quality sound from a wide variety of music. The purpose of real-time mastering engine, as you

[slim] Re: Squeezebox3 - Complete FREAKOUT stereo damage warning

2005-12-06 Thread enduser
T Wrote: what is really needed is what radio stations use which is essentially a real-time mastering engine. This includes compression, equalization, gating, peak limiting, etc. This is the only way to get quality sound from a wide variety of music. The purpose of real-time mastering

Re: [slim] Re: Squeezebox3 - Complete FREAKOUT stereo damage warning

2005-12-06 Thread Aaron Zinck
Yes, you can use the preamp as a brute-force and simplistic gain control. I was not saying that you cannot do that. But it mostly not a good solution for listening to music. This is a solution that all of the music-listening world uses. You need a gain control of some sort. Period. If you

[slim] Re: Squeezebox3 - Complete FREAKOUT stereo damage warning

2005-12-06 Thread enduser
Aaron Zinck Wrote: Yes, you can use the preamp as a brute-force and simplistic gain control. I was not saying that you cannot do that. But it mostly not a good solution for listening to music. This is a solution that all of the music-listening world uses. You need a gain control of

Re: [slim] Re: Squeezebox3 - Complete FREAKOUT stereo damage warning

2005-12-06 Thread Aaron Zinck
I don't have a lot of time to spend figuring out the very best way to talk about something for a company that ripped me off for $200+. Having almost blown some very expensive speakers with the SB1, I really don't have any patience left for the raft of digital noise bugs that apparently still

Re: [slim] Re: Squeezebox3 - Complete FREAKOUT stereo damage warning

2005-12-06 Thread T
On the technical side of things, I think there are countless algorithms for identifying noise and unwanted sounds and many shipping products. You're thinking is wrong. While you might have been using a SB for two years, you don't have 25 years of audio background. I do. And 23+ of it is

[slim] Re: Squeezebox3 - Complete FREAKOUT stereo damage warning

2005-12-06 Thread bossanova808
I had an LG DVD player blow the tweeters out of my $1800 speakers. These things can happen. None of these things are perfect. LG didn't even bother to respond to our contact about the issue. At least Slim Devices have been responsive. Hell, you didn't actually lose anything anyway - only

Re: [slim] Re: Squeezebox3 - Complete FREAKOUT stereo damage warning

2005-12-06 Thread Aaron Zinck
As digital data is present on the server (for the most part) before being sent to the SB, what would be useful is a scanner that looks for digital noise in the input stream. This would help the overall signal chain quite a bit. As per the OP, this isn't where the problem originated.

[slim] Re: Squeezebox3 - Complete FREAKOUT stereo damage warning

2005-12-05 Thread kefa
if this was a dac problem - does this mean that it couldn't happen to the digital output...this is just pass-through right? -- kefa Fedora Core 4, Slimserver 6.2.1, Netgear DG834GT Squeezebox 3, Primare SPA20, Monitor Audio GR20 Squeezebox 2, Denon UD-M30, Monitor Audio PMC703

[slim] Re: Squeezebox3 - Complete FREAKOUT stereo damage warning

2005-12-05 Thread seanadams
FL, Sorry about the trouble. FWIW we have always cautioned against connecting directly to an amp unless levels are appropriately limited on the analog side. Sean -- seanadams seanadams's Profile: