Re: [discuss] Oracle [NOT!] dropping OO.org

2010-10-15 Thread RA Brown
On Thu Oct 14 2010 22:30:26 GMT-0700 (PDT) Marius Popa wrote: Will OpenOffice.org be developed to future final version or will the future final versions replace the future versions of OpenOffice.org? Your question does not make sense. If your asking if LibreOffice will replace

Re: [discuss] Re: What Microsoft customers think of OpenOffice.org

2010-10-15 Thread M. Fioretti
On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 11:48:10 AM +1300, Paul (paul.m...@gmail.com) wrote: I think this commentary is more accurate as to why the video exists: http://blogs.computerworlduk.com/open-enterprise/2010/10/microsoft-gives-its-blessing-to-openofficeorg/index.htm?cmpid=sbslashdotschapman The funny,

Re: [discuss] Re: Oracle [NOT!] dropping OO.org

2010-10-15 Thread Christian Lippka
Am 15.10.2010 00:30, schrieb NoOp: On 10/14/2010 05:57 AM, Malte Timmermann wrote: ... It's not clear to me how contributions to LO will make their way to OpenOffice.org. For me, it looks very much one-way: LO grabbing a lot of stuff from OOo, but LO not contributing anything to OOo. ... In

Re: [discuss] Re: Oracle [NOT!] dropping OO.org

2010-10-15 Thread Thomas Lange - Oracle
Hi all, On 15.10.2010 13:13, Thorsten Behrens wrote: Christian Lippka wrote: Because the Novell go-oo people decided not to contribute theier gstreamer implementation to OOo and OOo respected that. Later Kai Ahrens was so brave and did another implementation of gstreamer for OOo. Due to

[discuss] Re: Oracle [NOT!] dropping OO.org

2010-10-15 Thread Christian Lippka
Thorsten, you can call it any way you like. Oracle asked Novell if it would contribute the gstreamer adaptor and Novell said No. This is not an LGPLv2 issue. The company Novell owns everything an employee of Novell implements. And if you say No we respect that. Christian. Am 15.10.2010 14:03,

Re: [discuss] Re: Oracle [NOT!] dropping OO.org

2010-10-15 Thread Martin Hollmichel
Hi Thorsten, On 10/15/2010 01:13 PM, Thorsten Behrens wrote: And regarding that release meeting decision: it was a positive sign actually, that for once, Oracle stuck to their own rules (that everybody else had to follow unconditionally). Cheers, -- Thorsten that's not true at all. We

Re: [discuss] Re: Oracle [NOT!] dropping OO.org

2010-10-15 Thread Andre Schnabel
Hi, that's not true at all. We established the release meeting some years ago with good participation from non Oracle people to speak about possible exceptions from the rules within the release process. I agree on that. But that said, it is also not correct to say, that the Oracle gstreamer

Re: [discuss] Re: Oracle [NOT!] dropping OO.org

2010-10-15 Thread Thorsten Behrens
Hi Martin, you wrote: We established the release meeting some years ago with good participation from non Oracle people to speak about possible exceptions from the rules within the release process. That's why we tried have people from QA, l10n, marketing, dev, documentation, etc on board to

[discuss] Re: Oracle [NOT!] dropping OO.org

2010-10-15 Thread Christian Lippka
Thorsten, Am 15.10.2010 14:57, schrieb Thorsten Behrens: Christian Lippka wrote: you can call it any way you like. Thank you Christian, I appreciate that. What I don't appreciate is that you not even consider my points, effectively saying this is our truth, we make the rules, get lost.

[discuss] Re: Oracle [NOT!] dropping OO.org

2010-10-15 Thread Christian Lippka
Hi André, Am 15.10.2010 15:09, schrieb Andre Schnabel: Hi, that's not true at all. We established the release meeting some years ago with good participation from non Oracle people to speak about possible exceptions from the rules within the release process. I agree on that. But that said,

[discuss] Bad PR

2010-10-15 Thread David Evans
Dear All There seems to be a lot of infighting coming through. To me it is bad Public Relations. Is there any other way this could be handled ? Kind regards David Hi André, Am 15.10.2010 15:09, schrieb Andre Schnabel: Hi, that's not true at all. We established the release meeting some

Re: [discuss] Re: Oracle [NOT!] dropping OO.org

2010-10-15 Thread Andre Schnabel
Hi, Von: Christian Lippka christian.lip...@oracle.com I did not refer to your comment, I refereed to Fridrich Strba from Novell and Rene Engelhard who is now Founding Members. Both voted strongly against taking Gstreamer as an exception. Note, I don't say that they should not have done

Re: [discuss] Re: Oracle [NOT!] dropping OO.org

2010-10-15 Thread Martin Hollmichel
On 10/15/2010 03:14 PM, Thorsten Behrens wrote: The mail you quote is about what should be regarded a showstopper fix, so it doesn't really apply to the case at hand. I just wanted to use this example that work in the release meeting was constructive most of the time, nothing special related

Re: [discuss] Re: Oracle [NOT!] dropping OO.org

2010-10-15 Thread Jens-Heiner Rechtien
Hi, On 10/15/2010 03:22 PM, Christian Lippka wrote: Hi André, Am 15.10.2010 15:09, schrieb Andre Schnabel: Hi, that's not true at all. We established the release meeting some years ago with good participation from non Oracle people to speak about possible exceptions from the rules within

Re: [discuss] Re: Oracle [NOT!] dropping OO.org

2010-10-15 Thread Malte Timmermann
Hi Thorsten, Thorsten Behrens wrote, On 10/15/10 16:21: Christian Lippka wrote: I'm saying again, Oracle asked Novell, Novell said no, we respected that. Christian, you continue to ignore the facts I gave in a previous mail. If you could please go back and re-read it, to learn what the

Re: [discuss] Re: Oracle [NOT!] dropping OO.org

2010-10-15 Thread Martin Hollmichel
On 10/15/2010 03:14 PM, Thorsten Behrens wrote: To the best of my knowledge, it was a standing rule not to integrate features past feature freeze - and everytime that happened, unilaterally by Sun, it broke the build for the non-Sun platforms. I guess Rene can give the whole picture here.

Re: [discuss] Re: Oracle [NOT!] dropping OO.org

2010-10-15 Thread Malte Timmermann
Hi Thorsten, Thorsten Behrens wrote, On 10/15/10 17:02: Malte Timmermann wrote: So if Novell really was committed to OpenOffice.org - why didn't they simply contribute this feature? Hi Malte, conversely - why did Sun explicitely exempted extensions from the SCA, and why, do you think,

Re: [discuss] Re: Oracle [NOT!] dropping OO.org

2010-10-15 Thread Robert Derman
Martin Hollmichel wrote: On 10/15/2010 03:14 PM, Thorsten Behrens wrote: To the best of my knowledge, it was a standing rule not to integrate features past feature freeze - and everytime that happened, unilaterally by Sun, it broke the build for the non-Sun platforms. I guess Rene can give the

Re: [discuss] Re: Oracle [NOT!] dropping OO.org

2010-10-15 Thread Jean-Baptiste Faure
Le 16/10/2010 00:25, Robert Derman a écrit : [...] I would much appreciate it if someone could, in as few words as feasable, explain what gstreamer is, and what function it performs. Please search and read (first paragraph only) : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gstreamer In many case Wikipedia

Re: [discuss] Oracle [NOT!] dropping OO.org

2010-10-15 Thread jonathon
On 10/14/2010 12:57 PM, Malte Timmermann wrote: For me, it looks very much one-way: LO grabbing a lot of stuff from OOo, but LO not contributing anything to OOo. Historically, Sun has rejected the overwhelming majority of contributions from others. Can you explain? What are TDF's plans wrt

Re: [discuss] Oracle [NOT!] dropping OO.org

2010-10-15 Thread jonathon
On 10/15/2010 05:14 AM, Marius Popa wrote: Is OpenOffice.org a dead project? All of Oracle's RD will be going into Oracle Cloud Office, and Oracle OpenOffice. Some of the results of that RD will be migrated into OOo. In time, OOo will be like SQL-Ledger --- ostensibly open source, but source

Re: [discuss] Bad PR

2010-10-15 Thread jonathon
On 10/15/2010 01:41 PM, David Evans wrote: There seems to be a lot of infighting coming through. To me it is bad Public Relations. It is called transparency. And unlike closed source projects, FLOSS projects thrive on being transparent, and letting third parties _usually_ know what the

Re: [discuss] Re: Oracle [NOT!] dropping OO.org

2010-10-15 Thread jonathon
On 10/15/2010 11:52 PM, Larry Gusaas wrote: References please, or is this just your speculation? Go back to the speech Larry made about purchasing FLOSS companies, for the sole purpose of owning, and monetizing FLOSS. Given the licenses that Sun, and subsequently Oracle required everything to

[discuss] Re: Oracle [NOT!] dropping OO.org

2010-10-15 Thread John Thompson
On 2010-10-15, RA Brown rabr...@the-martin-byrd.net wrote: On Thu Oct 14 2010 22:14:38 GMT-0700 (PDT) Marius Popa wrote: Is OpenOffice.org a dead project? Not at this time. See http://www.oracle.com/us/corporate/press/177158 . As Frank Zappa quipped about jazz: it's not dead -- it just

Re: [discuss] Oracle [NOT!] dropping OO.org

2010-10-15 Thread James
On 10/15/10 19:11, jonathon wrote: Historically, Sun has rejected the overwhelming majority of contributions from others. Why would Sun do that? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional

[discuss] Re: Oracle [NOT!] dropping OO.org

2010-10-15 Thread Larry Gusaas
On 2010/10/15 7:05 PM jonathon wrote: On 10/15/2010 11:52 PM, Larry Gusaas wrote: References please, or is this just your speculation? Go back to the speech Larry made about purchasing FLOSS companies, for the sole purpose of owning, and monetizing FLOSS. Reference please. Oracle