[discuss] DRM in MS Office, was:sharing OOo among lawyers

2005-06-07 Thread M. Fioretti
On Wed, Apr 20, 2005 10:49:23 AM -0400, Lars D. Noodén ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: MSO XP on MS-Windows XP SP2 or MSO 2003 (which has DRM baked in) has the capability that every time a document is opened, created, edited, printed, copied, saved, or mailed that action can be tracked.

Re: [discuss] DRM

2005-02-03 Thread Lars Oppermann
Daniel Carrera wrote: Lars Oppermann wrote: While defining a DRM container is possible (as we all aggree), the problem is with the enforcment of that container on an open platform. 'Enforce' and 'open' just don't work well together I guess ;) Though it's not inconceivable. After all, the most

Re: [discuss] DRM

2005-02-02 Thread Christian Einfeldt
On Tuesday 01 February 2005 22:54, Daniel Carrera wrote: Christian Einfeldt wrote: People want DRM, so we need to eventually be able to provide it to them, but make it OPEN. It's more difficult than than: * Some people want DRM. * Some people abhor DRM. * I doubt most people have a

Re: [discuss] DRM

2005-02-02 Thread Mathias Bauer
Daniel Carrera wrote: My take is that we should provide security-related features like digital signatures and encryption. But I have problems with features that, for example, give control of your computer to another party, or eliminate whistle-blowing. IMHO DRM does not necessarily give

Re: [discuss] DRM

2005-02-02 Thread Lars D. Noodn
On Wed, 2 Feb 2005, Daniel Carrera wrote: [...] Why DRM? The main argument for DRM is to prevent the ranpant copying of copyrighted software which was made possible by the advent of digital technology. [...] I think copyright infringement is the phrase being sought. The phrasing of

Re: [discuss] DRM

2005-02-02 Thread Lars Oppermann
Hi guys, I belive that we are taking to many steps at a time here when discussing DRM. As Christian pointed out, DRM, in general, provides means for owners of some content to control what others are allowed to do. In oder to implement those means, the content is usualy encrypted, and only

Re: [discuss] DRM

2005-02-02 Thread Lars D. Noodn
On Wed, 2 Feb 2005, Lars Oppermann wrote: [..] Is anyone aware of a way those two concepts can co-exist? Because as soon as the content has been decrypted, an application could do anything with it, which renders DRM virtually unusable on the application level. DRM on the hardware level (like

Re: [discuss] DRM

2005-02-02 Thread Christian Einfeldt
snip.. Is anyone aware of a way those two concepts can co-exist? Because as soon as the content has been decrypted, an application could do anything with it, which renders DRM virtually unusable on the application level. DRM on the hardware level (like trusted computing) however still needs

Re: [discuss] DRM

2005-02-02 Thread Jacqueline McNally
Christian Einfeldt wrote: snip.. Is anyone aware of a way those two concepts can co-exist? Because as soon as the content has been decrypted, an application could do anything with it, which renders DRM virtually unusable on the application level. DRM on the hardware level (like trusted computing)

[discuss] DRM

2005-02-01 Thread Jacqueline McNally
Malte's talk at OOoCon2005 on Digital Signatures (http://marketing.openoffice.org/ooocon2004/presentations/friday/timmermann_digital_signatures.pdf) touched on DRM. I have not met many people or organisations that want DRM, but then that may be my fault :) But for those that do, do you think

Re: [discuss] DRM

2005-02-01 Thread Daniel Carrera
This is a complex issue. It may be wise to get professional advice from the Software Freedom Law Center: http://www.softwarefreedom.org/ http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20050201060017590 I don't know if this question lies within their legal consulting services. But there's no harm

Re: [discuss] DRM

2005-02-01 Thread Jacqueline McNally
Daniel Carrera wrote: This is a complex issue. It may be wise to get professional advice from the Software Freedom Law Center: http://www.softwarefreedom.org/ http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20050201060017590 I don't know if this question lies within their legal consulting services.

Re: [discuss] DRM

2005-02-01 Thread Daniel Carrera
Alright, I think it would be good to define DRM and the issues behind it in clear and simple terms. For those who want to dig deeper, please read the resources section at the end of this post. Now I'll have a go at laying out the issues. What is DRM? It is a term for a system

Re: [discuss] DRM

2005-02-01 Thread Louis Suarez-Potts
HI Also, DRM is promoted as a feature in other office-suites, so we do need to understand and be able to state succintly where we stand on the issue. We first came across this problem a couple of years ago, and our (Joerg Heilig, technical lead, speaking for the Sun) stance at the time was that