Re: [Distutils] Immutable Files on PyPI

On 29 September 2014 23:16, Donald Stufft wrote: >> It occurs to me that a devpi quickstart for OpenShift (or another PaaS's) >> free tier could be useful - if a devpi instance is just for pre-release >> testing of packages, then the free tier should accommodate it comfortably. >> >> > > I'm not f

Re: [Distutils] Immutable Files on PyPI

On September 29, 2014 at 5:33:38 PM, Nick Coghlan (ncogh...@gmail.com) wrote: > On 30 Sep 2014 00:43, "Donald Stufft" wrote: > > > > > > Yea I don’t think PyPI needs anything for this, if someone wants to do it > they can use testpypi.python.org, or they can stand up a devpi instance > which offers

Re: [Distutils] Immutable Files on PyPI

On 29 Sep 2014 22:09, "Wichert Akkerman" wrote: > > On 29 Sep 2014, at 13:58, Nick Coghlan wrote: >> >> Right, this is my perspective as well. The point that the wheel format already includes a build ordering field was significant because that file naming scheme has an official specification. >>

Re: [Distutils] Immutable Files on PyPI

On 30 Sep 2014 00:43, "Donald Stufft" wrote: > > > Yea I don’t think PyPI needs anything for this, if someone wants to do it they can use testpypi.python.org, or they can stand up a devpi instance which offers a similar thing plus a lot more for a release process. It occurs to me that a devpi qui

Re: [Distutils] Immutable Files on PyPI

On September 29, 2014 at 11:04:42 AM, Barry Warsaw (ba...@python.org) wrote: On Sep 29, 2014, at 09:40 AM, Ian Cordasco wrote: >That's essentially what I see as the chief use-case for >testpypi.python.org. I don't think pypi.python.org needs to support >this as well. Simple is better than co

Re: [Distutils] Immutable Files on PyPI

On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 10:03 AM, Barry Warsaw wrote: > On Sep 29, 2014, at 09:40 AM, Ian Cordasco wrote: > >>That's essentially what I see as the chief use-case for >>testpypi.python.org. I don't think pypi.python.org needs to support >>this as well. Simple is better than complex after all :) > >

Re: [Distutils] Immutable Files on PyPI

On Sep 29, 2014, at 09:40 AM, Ian Cordasco wrote: >That's essentially what I see as the chief use-case for >testpypi.python.org. I don't think pypi.python.org needs to support >this as well. Simple is better than complex after all :) Can we then make it easy to upload to testpypi via the cli? Ma

Re: [Distutils] Immutable Files on PyPI

+1 On Sep 29, 2014 7:29 AM, "Jim Fulton" wrote: > On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 3:31 PM, Donald Stufft > wrote: > > Hello All! > > > > I'd like to discuss the idea of moving PyPI to having immutable files. > ... > > +1 > > Jim > > -- > Jim Fulton > http://www.linkedin.com/in/jimfulton > __

Re: [Distutils] Immutable Files on PyPI

On September 29, 2014 at 10:41:07 AM, Ian Cordasco (graffatcolmin...@gmail.com) wrote: On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 9:36 AM, Barry Warsaw wrote: > On Sep 28, 2014, at 07:31 PM, Donald Stufft wrote: > >>I'd like to discuss the idea of moving PyPI to having immutable files. This >>would mean tha

Re: [Distutils] Immutable Files on PyPI

On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 9:36 AM, Barry Warsaw wrote: > On Sep 28, 2014, at 07:31 PM, Donald Stufft wrote: > >>I'd like to discuss the idea of moving PyPI to having immutable files. This >>would mean that once you publish a particular file you can never reupload >>that file again with different con

Re: [Distutils] Immutable Files on PyPI

On Sep 28, 2014, at 07:31 PM, Donald Stufft wrote: >I'd like to discuss the idea of moving PyPI to having immutable files. This >would mean that once you publish a particular file you can never reupload >that file again with different contents. This would still allow deleting the >file or reupload

Re: [Distutils] Immutable Files on PyPI

On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 3:31 PM, Donald Stufft wrote: > Hello All! > > I'd like to discuss the idea of moving PyPI to having immutable files. ... +1 Jim -- Jim Fulton http://www.linkedin.com/in/jimfulton ___ Distutils-SIG maillist - Distutils-SIG@p

Re: [Distutils] Immutable Files on PyPI

On September 29, 2014 at 9:25:37 AM, Wichert Akkerman (wich...@wiggy.net) wrote: On 29 Sep 2014, at 15:21, Donald Stufft wrote: On September 29, 2014 at 8:54:26 AM, Wichert Akkerman (wich...@wiggy.net) wrote: On 29 Sep 2014, at 13:58, Nick Coghlan wrote: Right, this is my perspective as well. T

Re: [Distutils] Immutable Files on PyPI

On 29 Sep 2014, at 15:21, Donald Stufft wrote: > On September 29, 2014 at 8:54:26 AM, Wichert Akkerman (wich...@wiggy.net) > wrote: >> On 29 Sep 2014, at 13:58, Nick Coghlan wrote: >>> Right, this is my perspective as well. The point that the wheel format >>> already includes a build ordering

Re: [Distutils] Immutable Files on PyPI

On September 29, 2014 at 8:54:26 AM, Wichert Akkerman (wich...@wiggy.net) wrote: On 29 Sep 2014, at 13:58, Nick Coghlan wrote: Right, this is my perspective as well. The point that the wheel format already includes a build ordering field was significant because that file naming scheme has an off

Re: [Distutils] Immutable Files on PyPI

On 29 Sep 2014, at 13:58, Nick Coghlan wrote: > Right, this is my perspective as well. The point that the wheel format > already includes a build ordering field was significant because that file > naming scheme has an official specification. > > Other commands like bdist_egg, bdist_dumb and bdi

Re: [Distutils] Immutable Files on PyPI

On 29 Sep 2014 21:20, "holger krekel" wrote: > > (Fixed quoting indent + some own comments) > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 11:04 +, Donald Stufft wrote: > > On Sep 29, 2014, at 6:01 AM, Nick Coghlan > wrote: > > > >> It's the silent substitution of file contents I have a fundamental > >> problem

Re: [Distutils] Immutable Files on PyPI

On 29 Sep 2014 21:04, "Donald Stufft" wrote: > > >> On Sep 29, 2014, at 6:01 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote: >> >> One caveat on this: it would potentially be convenient to have a "release" field in the wheel naming scheme, and adopt a similar approach for other binary formats like Windows installers, sp

Re: [Distutils] Immutable Files on PyPI

On Sep 29, 2014, at 4:46 AM, M.-A. Lemburg mailto:m...@egenix.com>> wrote: You are missing out on cases, where the release process causes files to be omitted, human errors where packagers forget to apply changes to e.g. documentation files, version files, change logs, etc., where packagers want

Re: [Distutils] Immutable Files on PyPI

(Fixed quoting indent + some own comments) On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 11:04 +, Donald Stufft wrote: > On Sep 29, 2014, at 6:01 AM, Nick Coghlan > mailto:ncogh...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > On 29 Sep 2014 19:50, "Nick Coghlan" > mailto:ncogh...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > > On 29 Sep 2014 19:04, "

Re: [Distutils] Immutable Files on PyPI

On Sep 29, 2014, at 6:01 AM, Nick Coghlan mailto:ncogh...@gmail.com>> wrote: On 29 Sep 2014 19:50, "Nick Coghlan" mailto:ncogh...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > On 29 Sep 2014 19:04, "M.-A. Lemburg" > mailto:m...@egenix.com>> wrote: > > > > Do you seriously want to force package authors to cut a ne

Re: [Distutils] Immutable Files on PyPI

On 29 Sep 2014 19:50, "Nick Coghlan" wrote: > > > On 29 Sep 2014 19:04, "M.-A. Lemburg" wrote: > > > > Do you seriously want to force package authors to cut a new release > > just because a single uploaded distribution file is broken for > > some reason and then ask all users who have already ins

Re: [Distutils] Immutable Files on PyPI

On 29 Sep 2014 19:04, "M.-A. Lemburg" wrote: > > Do you seriously want to force package authors to cut a new release > just because a single uploaded distribution file is broken for > some reason and then ask all users who have already installed one > of the non-broken ones to upgrade again, even

Re: [Distutils] Immutable Files on PyPI

On 29 Sep 2014 18:49, "M.-A. Lemburg" wrote: > > You are missing out on cases, where the release process causes files to > be omitted, human errors where packagers forget to apply changes to > e.g. documentation files, version files, change logs, etc., where > packagers want to add information tha

Re: [Distutils] Immutable Files on PyPI

On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 10:46 +0200, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > On 28.09.2014 23:59, Donald Stufft wrote: > > > >> On Sep 28, 2014, at 5:36 PM, M.-A. Lemburg >> > wrote: > >> > >> On 28.09.2014 21:31, Donald Stufft wrote: > >>> Hello All! > >>> > >>> I'd like to discuss the id

Re: [Distutils] Immutable Files on PyPI

On 29.09.2014 00:51, Nick Coghlan wrote: > On 29 Sep 2014 07:37, "M.-A. Lemburg" wrote: >> >> -1. >> >> It does happen that files need to be reuploaded because of a bug >> in the release process and how people manage their code is really >> *their* business, not that of PyPI. >> >> FWIW, I am gett

Re: [Distutils] Immutable Files on PyPI

On 29 September 2014 09:46, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > If I understand you correctly, you are essentially suggesting that it > becomes impossible to ever delete anything uploaded to PyPI, i.e. > turning PyPI into a WORM. My understanding (I'm sure Donald will correct me if I'm wrong) is that it will

Re: [Distutils] Immutable Files on PyPI

On 28.09.2014 23:59, Donald Stufft wrote: > >> On Sep 28, 2014, at 5:36 PM, M.-A. Lemburg > > wrote: >> >> On 28.09.2014 21:31, Donald Stufft wrote: >>> Hello All! >>> >>> I'd like to discuss the idea of moving PyPI to having immutable files. This >>> would mean that once y

Re: [Distutils] Immutable Files on PyPI

On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 10:28 PM, Marius Gedminas wrote: > On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 02:21:11PM -0700, Chris Jerdonek wrote: >> Would this also affect the ability to update the "readme" information >> for a version on PyPI (i.e. the information displayed on the default >> home page generated by PyPI