Re: [Distutils] Bootstrap script for package management tool in Python 2.7 (Was: Re: [Python-Dev] At least one package management tool for 2.7)

2010-07-07 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 6:52 PM, Tarek Ziadé ziade.ta...@gmail.com wrote: [..] Sounds like a simple installation instruction, I can't see the benefit of adding a script for that. Of course! Because you are a developer. You need to be a user or at least QA engineer to see it. =) For now in

[Distutils] Bootstrap script for package management tool in Python 2.7 (Was: Re: [Python-Dev] At least one package management tool for 2.7)

2010-03-29 Thread anatoly techtonik
So, there won't be any package management tool shipped with Python 2.7 and users will have to download and install `setuptools` manually as before: search - download - unzip - cmd - cd - python setup.py install Therefore I still propose shipping bootstrap package that instruct user how to

Re: [Distutils] Bootstrap script for package management tool in Python 2.7 (Was: Re: [Python-Dev] At least one package management tool for 2.7)

2010-03-29 Thread Tarek Ziadé
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 9:30 AM, anatoly techtonik techto...@gmail.com wrote: So, there won't be any package management tool shipped with Python 2.7 and users will have to download and install `setuptools` manually as before:  search - download - unzip - cmd - cd - python setup.py install

Re: [Distutils] Bootstrap script for package management tool in Python 2.7 (Was: Re: [Python-Dev] At least one package management tool for 2.7)

2010-03-29 Thread Lennart Regebro
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 09:30, anatoly techtonik techto...@gmail.com wrote: Therefore I still propose shipping bootstrap package that instruct user how to download and install an actual package  management tool when users tries to use it. So far I know only one stable tool - `easy_install` - a

Re: [Distutils] Bootstrap script for package management tool in Python 2.7 (Was: Re: [Python-Dev] At least one package management tool for 2.7)

2010-03-29 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 10:55 AM, Tarek Ziadé ziade.ta...@gmail.com wrote: Therefore I still propose shipping bootstrap package that instruct user how to download and install an actual package  management tool when users tries to use it. So far I know only one stable tool - `easy_install` - a

Re: [Distutils] Bootstrap script for package management tool in Python 2.7 (Was: Re: [Python-Dev] At least one package management tool for 2.7)

2010-03-29 Thread Tarek Ziadé
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 11:02 AM, anatoly techtonik techto...@gmail.com wrote: [..] distutils is not a `package management` tool, because it doesn't know anything even about installed packages, not saying anything about dependencies. At this point, no one knows anything about installed

Re: [Distutils] Bootstrap script for package management tool in Python 2.7 (Was: Re: [Python-Dev] At least one package management tool for 2.7)

2010-03-29 Thread Tarek Ziadé
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Tarek Ziadé ziade.ta...@gmail.com wrote: [..] Depending on how you call a Python user, I disagree here. Many people use pip and distribute. s/how/who :) ___ Distutils-SIG maillist - Distutils-SIG@python.org

Re: [Distutils] Bootstrap script for package management tool in Python 2.7 (Was: Re: [Python-Dev] At least one package management tool for 2.7)

2010-03-29 Thread anatoly techtonik
2010/3/29 Lennart Regebro rege...@gmail.com: On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 09:30, anatoly techtonik techto...@gmail.com wrote: Therefore I still propose shipping bootstrap package that instruct user how to download and install an actual package  management tool when users tries to use it. So far I

Re: [Distutils] Bootstrap script for package management tool in Python 2.7 (Was: Re: [Python-Dev] At least one package management tool for 2.7)

2010-03-29 Thread Tarek Ziadé
2010/3/29 anatoly techtonik techto...@gmail.com: 2010/3/29 Lennart Regebro rege...@gmail.com: On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 09:30, anatoly techtonik techto...@gmail.com wrote: Therefore I still propose shipping bootstrap package that instruct user how to download and install an actual package  

Re: [Distutils] Bootstrap script for package management tool in Python 2.7 (Was: Re: [Python-Dev] At least one package management tool for 2.7)

2010-03-29 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 12:15 PM, Tarek Ziadé ziade.ta...@gmail.com wrote: [..] distutils is not a `package management` tool, because it doesn't know anything even about installed packages, not saying anything about dependencies. At this point, no one knows anything about installed packages

Re: [Distutils] Bootstrap script for package management tool in Python 2.7 (Was: Re: [Python-Dev] At least one package management tool for 2.7)

2010-03-29 Thread Ron Adam
anatoly techtonik wrote: So, there won't be any package management tool shipped with Python 2.7 and users will have to download and install `setuptools` manually as before: search - download - unzip - cmd - cd - python setup.py install Therefore I still propose shipping bootstrap package

Re: [Distutils] Bootstrap script for package management tool in Python 2.7 (Was: Re: [Python-Dev] At least one package management tool for 2.7)

2010-03-29 Thread Lennart Regebro
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 11:02, anatoly techtonik techto...@gmail.com wrote: distutils is not a `package management` tool, because it doesn't know anything even about installed packages With that definition, there are no packaga management tools for Python. So it's going to be pretty hard to

Re: [Distutils] Bootstrap script for package management tool in Python 2.7 (Was: Re: [Python-Dev] At least one package management tool for 2.7)

2010-03-29 Thread David Cournapeau
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 10:45 PM, anatoly techtonik techto...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 12:15 PM, Tarek Ziadé ziade.ta...@gmail.com wrote: [..] distutils is not a `package management` tool, because it doesn't know anything even about installed packages, not saying anything about

Re: [Distutils] Bootstrap script for package management tool in Python 2.7 (Was: Re: [Python-Dev] At least one package management tool for 2.7)

2010-03-29 Thread Lennart Regebro
2010/3/29 anatoly techtonik techto...@gmail.com: Ok. How about shipping bootstrap script only for `easy_install` tool for now? Since there are many who are of the opinion that easy_install isn't very good, and pip should be used instead, that would be a bad idea. Just drop it. 2.7 will not

Re: [Distutils] Bootstrap script for package management tool in Python 2.7 (Was: Re: [Python-Dev] At least one package management tool for 2.7)

2010-03-29 Thread Tarek Ziadé
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 3:45 PM, anatoly techtonik techto...@gmail.com wrote: [..] http://guide.python-distribute.org I can see any FAQ. To me the FAQ is something that could be posted to distutils ML once a month to reflect current state of packaging. It should also carry version number. So

Re: [Distutils] Bootstrap script for package management tool in Python 2.7 (Was: Re: [Python-Dev] At least one package management tool for 2.7)

2010-03-29 Thread Greg Ewing
anatoly techtonik wrote: Let's refer to original user story: ... I execute `easy_install something` as said in installation manual, but nothing/error happens. Which installation manual did the user see that in? It can't be anything that came with Python, because easy_install is not a standard