Re: [Diversity-talk] Code of conduct

2020-12-09 Thread Maggie Cawley
I am so happy to see this thread. I believe it will take all of us coming together and speaking with a unified voice to bring upon the change we need at the global level. As Clifford mentioned, a few of us from the LCCWG met on Monday to start talking about next steps. It's not about one statement,

[Diversity-talk] Etiquette Guidelines bad | Re: Code of conduct

2020-12-09 Thread Rory McCann
Have any of yous read the Ettiquette Guidelines¹? They're rubbish. Frederik broke them by publically calling Mike Migurski out, and for not assuming he was acting in good faith. *But* if anyone publishes something saying “What Frederik did was wrong” (like I (& others) did), then they are also

Re: [Diversity-talk] Etiquette Guidelines bad | Re: Code of conduct

2020-12-09 Thread Mikel Maron
The etiquette guidelines have issues, but I’m not sure that’s one. If there was moderation and enforcement in place, than we wouldn’t need to call out publicly. Moderator could step in to do that. Prefer that way of handling it. Mikel On Wednesday, December 9, 2020, 11:33 AM, Rory McCann wrot

Re: [Diversity-talk] [HOT Community WG] Re: Code of conduct

2020-12-09 Thread Heather Leson
Dear Diversity Mailing community and LCCWG - Thank you for these notes. We are a collective who ask for your consideration and support: *A Call to Take Action and Confront Systemic Offensive Behaviour in the OSM Community. (1)*

Re: [Diversity-talk] Code of conduct

2020-12-09 Thread tilmanreinecke--- via Diversity-talk
Maybe I my message will be a kick-off of messages of negative energy or it will end up in a fruitful discussion (for me and maybe others too) - I don't know.My question: Do we really need a Code Of Conduct saying us how we should respect each other?This sounds stupid to me. You did explain me that

Re: [Diversity-talk] Code of conduct

2020-12-09 Thread Jo Walsh
Not sure how to make suggestions directly in the Google Doc or if i want to. I appreciate and feel broadly its sentiments but do not feel prepared to sign anything which has as a preamble an attack on one person, whatever the trigger. It's not equitable, risks entrenching the division. Princip

Re: [Diversity-talk] Etiquette Guidelines bad | Re: Code of conduct

2020-12-09 Thread Jo Walsh
I continue to stand by the statement that a community CoC is there to protect under-represented people, not to enable privileged folks to tone police one other. In reverting edits and applying temporary blocks, one must look at intention not behaviour. Also everyone's on edge now for reasons t