KIPS (Keep It Personal, Stupid!) [was: Re: International standard for date and time]

2007-06-19 Thread Nicola Larosa
> Jonas wrote: >> I remember to you that we are to interacting with computers, not with >> persons. James Bennett wrote: > The problem is that we're not really "interacting with computers". > We're using computers as proxies to help us interact with *people*, > and they should be first in our

Re: International standard for date and time

2007-06-19 Thread James Bennett
On 6/19/07, Jonas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It's true that we are around circles, and I understand that you wann't > make that little change. It's more comfortable to have the framework > configured to your localization that: And it's already quite easy to do so, just by changing a couple

Re: International standard for date and time

2007-06-19 Thread Tom Tobin
On 6/19/07, Jonas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 18 jun, 23:17, Malcolm Tredinnick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm going to give this one more pass and then dropout. We're just going > > around in circles now. > It's true that we are around circles, and I understand that you wann't > make

Re: International standard for date and time

2007-06-19 Thread Jonas
On 18 jun, 23:17, Malcolm Tredinnick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm going to give this one more pass and then dropout. We're just going > around in circles now. It's true that we are around circles, and I understand that you wann't make that little change. It's more comfortable to have the

Re: International standard for date and time

2007-06-18 Thread Malcolm Tredinnick
I'm going to give this one more pass and then dropout. We're just going around in circles now. On Mon, 2007-06-18 at 12:09 -0700, Jonas wrote: > On 18 jun, 00:04, Malcolm Tredinnick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sun, 2007-06-17 at 06:13 -0700, Jonas wrote: [...] > The problem is that you

Re: International standard for date and time

2007-06-18 Thread Jonas
On 18 jun, 00:04, Malcolm Tredinnick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, 2007-06-17 at 06:13 -0700, Jonas wrote: > > The current settings already are unambiguous *only for north > > americans*. > > I'm sorry, but this simply isn't true. > > - Current default DATE_FORMAT is "N j, Y"

Re: International standard for date and time

2007-06-17 Thread Malcolm Tredinnick
On Sun, 2007-06-17 at 06:13 -0700, Jonas wrote: > On 17 jun, 09:03, Malcolm Tredinnick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sun, 2007-06-17 at 00:54 -0700, Tai Lee wrote: > > > +1 - it's a simple default settings change. django is used by an > > > international community, so the defaults should be a

Re: International standard for date and time

2007-06-17 Thread Jonas
On 17 jun, 02:01, Malcolm Tredinnick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > (also the patch should have been against > global_settings.py, not settings.py, but that's a minor thing). It's already corrected. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are

Re: International standard for date and time

2007-06-17 Thread Jonas
On 17 jun, 09:03, Malcolm Tredinnick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, 2007-06-17 at 00:54 -0700, Tai Lee wrote: > > +1 - it's a simple default settings change. django is used by an > > international community, so the defaults should be a format that is > > understood by everybody without any

Re: International standard for date and time

2007-06-17 Thread Malcolm Tredinnick
On Sun, 2007-06-17 at 00:54 -0700, Tai Lee wrote: > +1 - it's a simple default settings change. django is used by an > international community, so the defaults should be a format that is > understood by everybody without any possibility of ambiguity. those > that prefer a different format

Re: International standard for date and time

2007-06-17 Thread Tai Lee
+1 - it's a simple default settings change. django is used by an international community, so the defaults should be a format that is understood by everybody without any possibility of ambiguity. those that prefer a different format (american, or abbreviated or full length month names etc) can

Re: International standard for date and time

2007-06-16 Thread Malcolm Tredinnick
On Sun, 2007-06-17 at 01:58 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > On Jun 16, 6:45 pm, "James Bennett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 6/16/07, Malcolm Tredinnick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > However all that is beside the point. The patch that Jonas has posted in > > > #4590 is just

Re: International standard for date and time

2007-06-16 Thread orestis
Since this has come up, may I point you to this discussion over here: http://groups.google.com/group/Django-I18N/browse_thread/thread/3f5dfb2a9a10f904/54365cef61f62f21?lnk=st==1#54365cef61f62f21 About ticket 4147: http://code.djangoproject.com/ticket/4147 On Jun 17, 4:58 am, "[EMAIL

Re: International standard for date and time

2007-06-16 Thread James Bennett
On 6/16/07, Malcolm Tredinnick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > However all that is beside the point. The patch that Jonas has posted in > #4590 is just to change the default settings. I'm not sure if that's > worth doing or not. Currently I'm somewhere between -0 and +0, since > it's completely

Re: International standard for date and time

2007-06-16 Thread Malcolm Tredinnick
On Sun, 2007-06-17 at 02:50 +0200, Julian 'Julik' Tarkhanov wrote: > > On Jun 17, 2007, at 2:46 AM, Jonas wrote: > > > > > > > On 17 jun, 01:14, "James Bennett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Where do you propose this be used? At the database level, your DB > > > will > > > store date/time

Re: International standard for date and time

2007-06-16 Thread Julian 'Julik' Tarkhanov
On Jun 17, 2007, at 2:46 AM, Jonas wrote: > > On 17 jun, 01:14, "James Bennett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Where do you propose this be used? At the database level, your DB >> will >> store date/time values in whatever internal format it prefers. > Yes, I think that should be stored so at

Re: International standard for date and time

2007-06-16 Thread Jonas
On 17 jun, 01:14, "James Bennett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Where do you propose this be used? At the database level, your DB will > store date/time values in whatever internal format it prefers. Yes, I think that should be stored so at the database level. > At the > level of input and output

Re: International standard for date and time

2007-06-16 Thread James Bennett
On 6/16/07, Jonas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think that Django should use an international standard date and time > format. Where do you propose this be used? At the database level, your DB will store date/time values in whatever internal format it prefers. At the level of inpu

Re: International standard for date and time

2007-06-16 Thread Jonas
For if you want follow that standard I've added a patch: http://code.djangoproject.com/ticket/4590 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django developers" group. To post to this group, send email to

International standard for date and time

2007-06-16 Thread Jonas
I think that Django should use an international standard date and time format. For more information: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/iso-time.html http://www.w3.org/QA/Tips/iso-date http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8601 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received