Re: [dmarc-ietf] wiki vs. list?

2014-10-23 Thread Hector Santos
I'm already lost of whats going on. It seems we are waiting of Murray. Its all Murray. Geez, Its all really Murray's framework to all this. Not a negative, but there has to be more. There is more. There has always been more, that is why we are lost here after 9 years. We need policy and we

[dmarc-ietf] AND vs. OR (was Re: wiki vs. list?)

2014-10-23 Thread Kurt Andersen
On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 2:04 PM, Hector Santos hsan...@isdg.net wrote: We always know that DMARC always fails on a SPF failure as well. DMARC = DKIM + SPF So any failure on DKIM or SPF is part of a DKIM failure. If that is not TRUE, then it needs to be part of the discussion. A SPF

Re: [dmarc-ietf] wiki vs. list?

2014-10-23 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Hector Santos hsan...@isdg.net wrote: I'm already lost of whats going on. It seems we are waiting of Murray. Its all Murray. Geez, Its all really Murray's framework to all this. Not a negative, but there has to be more. There is more. There has always been

Re: [dmarc-ietf] wiki vs. list?

2014-10-23 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Murray S. Kucherawy writes: On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Hector Santos hsan...@isdg.net wrote: I'm already lost of whats going on. It seems we are waiting of Murray. Its all Murray. Geez, Its all really Murray's framework to all this. Not a negative, but there has to be more.

Re: [dmarc-ietf] wiki vs. list?

2014-10-23 Thread Douglas Otis
Dear Hector and Murray, Those in a good position to deal with an abuse problem don't want resulting disruptions seen as being within their bailiwick. Instead expect documentation explaining why it is not affordable for DMARC domains to directly deal with their policy induced disruptions of