Re: [dmarc-ietf] Is there any recommendation to send DMARC message-specific failure reports FROM:<> ?

2019-05-26 Thread Scott Kitterman
They should publish an SPF record for mail.modernwebsite.pl. Publishing SPF to support HELO checks has been recommended since before RFC 4408. I'm pretty sure that avoids the problem. You'd get an SPF pass and it would align. Scott K On May 26, 2019 7:00:56 PM UTC, Dilyan Palauzov wrote: >

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Is there any recommendation to send DMARC message-specific failure reports FROM:<> ?

2019-05-26 Thread Juri Haberland
On 25/05/2019 23:53, John Levine wrote: > We've had failure reports for almost seven years and I don't ever > recall someone getting into a mail loop so it's not a problem in > practice. I had at least two or three mail loops caused by failure reports sent to some small sites (as my is) and that

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Is there any recommendation to send DMARC message-specific failure reports FROM:<> ?

2019-05-26 Thread Dilyan Palauzov
Hello John, at SMTP level the server communicates EHLO mail.modernwebsite.pl and ENVFROM:<>. There is no TXT record for mail.modernwebsite.pl so SPF fails and cannot align. The email itself contains “From: mailer-dae...@modernwebsite.pl (Mail Delivery System)” without DKIM signature. ⇒ D

Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARCbis issue: what is DMARC ?

2019-05-26 Thread John R Levine
On Sun, 26 May 2019, Dotzero wrote: Deploying DMARC seems to mean any subset of these: 1a. Publish a DMARC record 1b. Publish a DMARC record with a restrictive policy 2a. Evaluate DMARC status of incoming messages 2b. Use that status to manage message disposition 3. Collect reports 4a. S

Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARCbis issue: what is DMARC ?

2019-05-26 Thread Dotzero
See below. On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 2:39 PM Jim Fenton wrote: > On 5/24/19 11:25 AM, John R Levine wrote: > > On Fri, 24 May 2019, Jim Fenton wrote: > >> I hope this isn't devolving into a "we can't make any changes, because > >> it might break something" argument. > > > > I don't think so, but w

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Debugging and preventing DKIM failures- suggestion

2019-05-26 Thread John Levine
In article <433a2fcbcab9452d8ca4b3ac99dc5...@bayviewphysicians.com> you write: > 2) Recover from Subject header changes that break signatures. This idea has come up, let us say, once or twice before. If you're trying to undo what mailing list software does and reconstruct the signature, that is a

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Debugging and preventing DKIM failures- suggestion

2019-05-26 Thread John Levine
In article <54fb29a0-517a-430e-af5b-cb079cc3d...@aegee.org> you write: >-=-=-=-=-=- > >Hello Douglas, > >1) Check the Authentication-Results header. An implementation could put there >additional information as comment. A >downstream MTA will reevaluate the DKIM-Signature anyway, if it does nkt tru

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Is there any recommendation to send DMARC message-specific failure reports FROM:<> ?

2019-05-26 Thread John Levine
In article <115e2cd4-af67-4a8d-85ba-567ba74d3...@aegee.org> you write: >-=-=-=-=-=- > >Hello Grant, > >it is a misconfiguration, but it still creates a mail loop for the site, that >is not misconfigured. > >To what I can say the emails are accepted at SMTP time and then bounced. > >I not asking t

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Is there any recommendation to send DMARC message-specific failure reports FROM:<> ?

2019-05-26 Thread John Levine
In article <20190526050958.horde.6vaaxrzkglqyej4uov0v...@webmail.aegee.org> you write: >Hello John, > >in case of modernwebsite.pl: > >DNS TXT _dmarc.modernwebsite.pl is "v=DMARC1; p=reject; pct=100; >rua=mailto:postmas...@modernwebsite.pl; >ruf=mailto:postmas...@modernwebsite.pl; aspf=s;adkim

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Debugging and preventing DKIM failures- suggestion

2019-05-26 Thread Дилян Палаузов
Hello Douglas, 1) Check the Authentication-Results header. An implementation could put there additional information as comment. A downstream MTA will reevaluate the DKIM-Signature anyway, if it does nkt trust the previous hop. Common case: aliases to random servers. 2) Check ARC, https://tools

[dmarc-ietf] Debugging and preventing DKIM failures- suggestion

2019-05-26 Thread Douglas E. Foster
Problem DKIM verification failures are difficult to debug because the recipient cannot detect where the problem occurred or why. Proposed Solutions 1) Identify the point of failure It would seem helpful to support a DKIM trace record that a device can use to indicate that it d