Re: [dmarc-ietf] 3.2.6. Non-existent Domains

2021-12-05 Thread John Levine
It appears that Scott Kitterman said: >> For your #2 you seem to be saying that if I send no-reply transactional >> mail, my DNS would look like this: >> >> notifiy.bigcorp.com. IN MX 0 . /* we don't receive replies /* >>IN A 0.0.0.0 /* make the domain exist */ >>

Re: [dmarc-ietf] 3.2.6. Non-existent Domains

2021-12-05 Thread Scott Kitterman
On December 5, 2021 9:54:42 PM UTC, Douglas Foster wrote: >It is a relief to finally have this topic open for discussion. The issues >go deeper than null MX. > >The goal is to domain names that the domain owner never uses for >RFC5321.From addresses. No direct test exists, so there are two

Re: [dmarc-ietf] 3.2.6. Non-existent Domains

2021-12-05 Thread Douglas Foster
It is a relief to finally have this topic open for discussion. The issues go deeper than null MX. The goal is to domain names that the domain owner never uses for RFC5321.From addresses. No direct test exists, so there are two candidate substitutes: - (Relaxed:) A name is rejected if it does

Re: [dmarc-ietf] 3.2.6. Non-existent Domains

2021-12-05 Thread Benny Pedersen
On 2021-12-05 20:40, John Levine wrote: It appears that Scott Kitterman said: How about if it has a null MX and a DMARC record or DKIM keys? Remember that those records are at different names than the MX. ... There's two ways we could go at this question: 1. A domain that, except for the

Re: [dmarc-ietf] 3.2.6. Non-existent Domains

2021-12-05 Thread Benny Pedersen
On 2021-12-05 20:04, John Levine wrote: This sounds like local policy again. Personally, I am not crazy about getting mail that I can't reply to, but my mailbox is full of mail from my bank and stores from which I have ordered telling me that I can't reply to their messages. banks or

Re: [dmarc-ietf] 3.2.6. Non-existent Domains

2021-12-05 Thread Benny Pedersen
On 2021-12-05 05:13, Scott Kitterman wrote: Should we modify the definition of non-existent domains so that a domain that only has an RFC 7505 null mx record is still considered non-existent? hope you will not change rules to ignore null MX ? why is it even a question ?

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Reversing modifications from mailing lists

2021-12-05 Thread Benny Pedersen
On 2021-12-05 21:24, John R Levine wrote: Agreed there's risk in HTML hiding content and showing malicious things but that risk has existed before. An updated DKIM authenticator could help us understand who did those malicious updates along some forwarding path. I'm pretty sure that

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Reversing modifications from mailing lists

2021-12-05 Thread John R Levine
Agreed there's risk in HTML hiding content and showing malicious things but that risk has existed before. An updated DKIM authenticator could help us understand who did those malicious updates along some forwarding path. I'm pretty sure that changing DKIM is very out of scope for this working

Re: [dmarc-ietf] 3.2.6. Non-existent Domains

2021-12-05 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Sunday, December 5, 2021 2:40:16 PM EST John Levine wrote: > It appears that Scott Kitterman said: > >> How about if it has a null MX and a DMARC record or DKIM keys? Remember > >> that those records are at different names than the MX. ... > > > >There's two ways we could go at this

Re: [dmarc-ietf] 3.2.6. Non-existent Domains

2021-12-05 Thread John Levine
It appears that Scott Kitterman said: >> How about if it has a null MX and a DMARC record or DKIM keys? Remember >> that those records are at different names than the MX. ... >There's two ways we could go at this question: > >1. A domain that, except for the null mx, would fit the criteria for

Re: [dmarc-ietf] 3.2.6. Non-existent Domains

2021-12-05 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Sunday, December 5, 2021 2:04:20 PM EST John Levine wrote: > It appears that Scott Kitterman said: > >Should we modify the definition of non-existent domains so that a domain > >that only has an RFC 7505 null mx record is still considered non-existent? > How about if it has a null MX and a

Re: [dmarc-ietf] 3.2.6. Non-existent Domains

2021-12-05 Thread John Levine
It appears that Scott Kitterman said: >Should we modify the definition of non-existent domains so that a domain that >only has an RFC 7505 null mx record is still considered non-existent? How about if it has a null MX and a DMARC record or DKIM keys? Remember that those records are at

Re: [dmarc-ietf] RFC 9091 Downrefs

2021-12-05 Thread Seth Blank
On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 20:09 Scott Kitterman wrote: > Currently the draft (as did the previous revision) has: > > > 3.2.8. Public Suffix Domain (PSD) > > > > The term Public Suffix Domain is defined in [RFC9091]. > > > > 3.2.9. Public Suffix Operator (PSO) > > > >

Re: [dmarc-ietf] dmarcbis-04, 5.3. General Record Format 5/5

2021-12-05 Thread Alessandro Vesely
On Sat 04/Dec/2021 22:01:50 +0100 Tim Wicinski wrote: On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 6:20 AM Alessandro Vesely wrote: On Fri 03/Dec/2021 19:38:26 +0100 Todd Herr wrote: On Fri, Dec 3, 2021 at 12:40 PM Alessandro Vesely wrote: That's the only part which breaks existing records. According to the

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Additions to introduction

2021-12-05 Thread Alessandro Vesely
On Sun 05/Dec/2021 04:23:45 +0100 Scott Kitterman wrote: On December 4, 2021 10:09:48 PM UTC, Seth Blank wrote: On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 1:34 PM Tim Wicinski wrote: I am Ok with adding text of this nature, and I think it's helpful in explaining to folks approaching DMARC for the first time.

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Fwd: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC7489 (6729)

2021-12-05 Thread Alessandro Vesely
On Sat 04/Dec/2021 23:02:50 +0100 Seth Blank wrote: On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 10:00 AM John Levine wrote: It appears that Murray S. Kucherawy said: This was reported but not sent to the WG. I believe the right disposition is "Hold for Document Update". Does anyone want to argue for

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