Re: [dmarc-ietf] 3.2.6 The meaning of non-existence

2021-12-15 Thread Douglas Foster
Scott, I have many problems with your response. Was it intended as an ad hominem? It certainly came across that way. If the NP objective can be stated in a sentence or two, you should have done so, instead of telling me to read years of archive. An objective that cannot be explained tersely

Re: [dmarc-ietf] 3.2.6 The meaning of non-existence

2021-12-15 Thread Barry Leiba
> Scott, I have many problems with your response. Was it intended as an ad > hominem? > It certainly came across that way. It doesn't seem even remotely so to me. Please be careful with attributing intent. No one tried to say that we shouldn't listen to you. > If the NP objective can be sta

Re: [dmarc-ietf] 3.2.6 The meaning of non-existence

2021-12-15 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Wednesday, December 15, 2021 5:44:46 PM EST Barry Leiba wrote: > > Scott, I have many problems with your response. Was it intended as an > > ad hominem? It certainly came across that way. > > It doesn't seem even remotely so to me. Please be careful with > attributing intent. No one tried

Re: [dmarc-ietf] 3.2.6 The meaning of non-existence

2021-12-15 Thread Tim Wicinski
Thanks Scott. _dmarc.police.uk doesn't seem to have the 'np' tag. There are a number of domains with policies that have 'p=quarantine|reject sp=none' - it would be good to see if 'np=reject' is added to any. tim On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 6:50 PM Scott Kitterman wrote: > On Wednesday, December

Re: [dmarc-ietf] 3.2.6 The meaning of non-existence

2021-12-15 Thread Scott Kitterman
Agreed. That's the most recently added PSD record and my guess is they are early in their journey. For those of you that haven't done it, managing deployment of DMARC (+ DKIM and SPF) across a large number of domains is a very time consuming process. Getting the internal policies right is at

Re: [dmarc-ietf] 3.2.6 The meaning of non-existence

2021-12-15 Thread Douglas Foster
Yes, this is important stuff. This is one of my problem scenarios: A record arrives at the first hop and obtains DMARC PASS, based on SPF and/or DKIM interpreted by a DMARC policy. Based on DMARC PASS, the RFC5322.From address is confidently judged to be "Honestly identified" DMARC checks SPF a

Re: [dmarc-ietf] 3.2.6 The meaning of non-existence

2021-12-15 Thread Tim Wicinski
On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 12:58 AM Douglas Foster < dougfoster.emailstanda...@gmail.com> wrote: > Yes, this is important stuff. > > This is one of my problem scenarios: > > A record arrives at the first hop and obtains DMARC PASS, based on SPF > and/or DKIM interpreted by a DMARC policy. Based on D

Re: [dmarc-ietf] 3.2.6 The meaning of non-existence

2021-12-15 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 9:58 PM Douglas Foster < dougfoster.emailstanda...@gmail.com> wrote: > Yes, this is important stuff. > > This is one of my problem scenarios: > > A record arrives at the first hop and obtains DMARC PASS, based on SPF > and/or DKIM interpreted by a DMARC policy. Based on DM