Re: [dmarc-ietf] Tree walk is screwed up

2022-01-25 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 3:31 PM Douglas Foster < dougfoster.emailstanda...@gmail.com> wrote: > Overall, I doubt that we can replace the PSL without moving to DMARCv2, > and I don't think we have a standards-worthy document unless the PSL is > replaced. > I don't think such an opinion is going to

Re: [dmarc-ietf] draft-ietf-dmarc-aggregate-reporting-04 feedback

2022-01-25 Thread Brotman, Alex
Richard, Thanks for the notes. I'll file a few trac issues to get these resolved, and try to get a new version released soon-ish. If you're okay with it, I may send you a preview version to ensure it resolves the items noted below. Thanks again -- Alex Brotman Sr. Engineer, Anti-Abuse &

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Timeline for Release of draft-ietf-dmarc-dmarcbis-5

2022-01-25 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 2:48:24 PM EST Todd Herr wrote: > Greetings. > > I've been monitoring the on-list discussion and I would like to take a stab > at incorporating it into the next draft. > > My plan is to get a next draft released either Monday, January 31 > or Tuesday, February 1, but

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Tree walk is screwed up

2022-01-25 Thread Douglas Foster
> > > DMARC for PSD is based on the rule that the PSD is one segment above the > organization domain, and the organization domain is assumed to be known > with confidence from the PSL. > When we switch directions, we cannot as easily assume that the > organization domain is one segment below

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Tree walk is screwed up

2022-01-25 Thread John Levine
It appears that Alessandro Vesely said: >As John said, the gap is that PSD domains are not going to publish >psd=y. No, that is not at all what I said. Most PSDs will publish no DMARC record at all. Based on what Scott has said, the handful that do publish a DMARC record will indeed include

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Timeline for Release of draft-ietf-dmarc-dmarcbis-5

2022-01-25 Thread Barry Leiba
I think that draft revisions are cheap, and that it's better to put a revision out than to hold it for more changes. Barry On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 2:49 PM Todd Herr wrote: > Greetings. > > I've been monitoring the on-list discussion and I would like to take a > stab at incorporating it into

[dmarc-ietf] Timeline for Release of draft-ietf-dmarc-dmarcbis-5

2022-01-25 Thread Todd Herr
Greetings. I've been monitoring the on-list discussion and I would like to take a stab at incorporating it into the next draft. My plan is to get a next draft released either Monday, January 31 or Tuesday, February 1, but that will depend on whether or not list discussion reaches a point where

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Tree walk is not a heuristic, was screwed up

2022-01-25 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 11:26 AM John R Levine wrote: > On Tue, 25 Jan 2022, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: > >> will get the same result. It also occurs to me that in the absence of > >> a PSL-like thing, the idea of an organizational domain is no longer > >> useful. > > > > Aren't we basically

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Tree walk is not a heuristic, was screwed up

2022-01-25 Thread John R Levine
On Tue, 25 Jan 2022, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: will get the same result. It also occurs to me that in the absence of a PSL-like thing, the idea of an organizational domain is no longer useful. Aren't we basically trying to identify the same thing, just in a different (and more robust) way?

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Tree walk is not a heuristic, was screwed up

2022-01-25 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 9:40 AM John Levine wrote: > It appears that Scott Kitterman said: > >My impression is that the group is generally okay with PSD=y. I prefer > it over your suggestion. My strongest preference is that we pick > something, stick with it, and move on. > > I think I see

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Tree walk is not a heuristic, was screwed up

2022-01-25 Thread John R Levine
On Tue, 25 Jan 2022, Dotzero wrote: If they are cousin domains, walk up the tree from each until you find a policy record. If you find the same policy record and it's not a PSD and it allows relaxed alignment, they're in relaxed alignment. If you find different records, or only one record, or

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Tree walk is not a heuristic, was screwed up

2022-01-25 Thread Dotzero
On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 12:40 PM John Levine wrote: > It appears that Scott Kitterman said: > >My impression is that the group is generally okay with PSD=y. I prefer > it over your suggestion. My strongest preference is that we pick > something, stick with it, and move on. > > I think I see

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Tree walk is not a heuristic, was screwed up

2022-01-25 Thread Scott Kitterman
On January 25, 2022 5:40:09 PM UTC, John Levine wrote: >It appears that Scott Kitterman said: >>My impression is that the group is generally okay with PSD=y. I prefer it >>over your suggestion. My strongest preference is that we pick something, >>stick with it, and move on. > >I think I

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Tree walk is screwed up

2022-01-25 Thread Scott Kitterman
On January 25, 2022 5:36:23 PM UTC, Alessandro Vesely wrote: >On Tue 25/Jan/2022 12:47:21 +0100 Scott Kitterman wrote: >> On January 25, 2022 11:30:51 AM UTC, Alessandro Vesely >> wrote: >>> On Tue 25/Jan/2022 06:56:26 +0100 Scott Kitterman wrote: On Monday, January 24, 2022 10:15:49 PM

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Tree walk is not a heuristic, was screwed up

2022-01-25 Thread John Levine
It appears that Scott Kitterman said: >My impression is that the group is generally okay with PSD=y. I prefer it >over your suggestion. My strongest preference is that we pick something, >stick with it, and move on. I think I see where Ale's confusion is coming from. If we switch to a tree

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Tree walk is screwed up

2022-01-25 Thread Alessandro Vesely
On Tue 25/Jan/2022 12:47:21 +0100 Scott Kitterman wrote: On January 25, 2022 11:30:51 AM UTC, Alessandro Vesely wrote: On Tue 25/Jan/2022 06:56:26 +0100 Scott Kitterman wrote: On Monday, January 24, 2022 10:15:49 PM EST Scott Kitterman wrote: On January 25, 2022 12:46:48 AM UTC, John Levine

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Tree walk is screwed up

2022-01-25 Thread Scott Kitterman
On January 25, 2022 11:30:51 AM UTC, Alessandro Vesely wrote: >On Tue 25/Jan/2022 06:56:26 +0100 Scott Kitterman wrote: >> On Monday, January 24, 2022 10:15:49 PM EST Scott Kitterman wrote: >>> On January 25, 2022 12:46:48 AM UTC, John Levine wrote: It appears that Scott Kitterman

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Tree walk is screwed up

2022-01-25 Thread Alessandro Vesely
On Tue 25/Jan/2022 06:56:26 +0100 Scott Kitterman wrote: On Monday, January 24, 2022 10:15:49 PM EST Scott Kitterman wrote: On January 25, 2022 12:46:48 AM UTC, John Levine wrote: It appears that Scott Kitterman said: What I implemented is roughly: For policy determination, first check

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Tree walk is screwed up

2022-01-25 Thread Alessandro Vesely
On Mon 24/Jan/2022 15:40:01 +0100 John Levine wrote: On Mon, 24 Jan 2022, Alessandro Vesely wrote: This misses the point.  It would be a good idea for a multi-tenant domain to publish a PSD record to keep the tenants apart, just as it would be a good idea to send a PSL pull request to keep

[dmarc-ietf] draft-ietf-dmarc-aggregate-reporting-04 feedback

2022-01-25 Thread Richard Gray
Hi, I've been reading over the DMARC Aggregate Reporting draft and have some feedback on the schema and sample report. * The ActionDispositionType type definition in the schema is missing a closing tag * The schema has the DMARC report version element () specified immediately under the root