[dmarc-ietf] Messages from the dmarc list for the week ending Sun Jul 16 06:00:03 2023

2023-07-16 Thread John Levine
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Re: [dmarc-ietf] Eliminating From Munging from this list

2023-07-16 Thread Baptiste Carvello
Hi, Le 15/07/2023 à 12:22, Douglas Foster a écrit : [...] Track 2: Exception Request [...] Track 2 benefits: [...] - Elimination of From munging is potentially available to all participants, even those from p=reject domains This important word here is "potentially". In practice, only an insi

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Eliminating From Munging from this list

2023-07-16 Thread Douglas Foster
As long as the unsympathetic evaluator produces a reject or bounce, the automatic digest approach will work well. if digest mode failover is implemented as an operator function, it could be implemented quickly without software changes . Automating the process seems like a minor undertaking as w

Re: [dmarc-ietf] How did DMARC go wrong, and how does our document fix it?

2023-07-16 Thread OLIVIER HUREAU
Hi, > The stupid evaluator says, "p=none means no problem here". And the non-stupid evaluator knows that p=none means that the domain owner doesn't (yet) have the appropriate sending infrastructure to have p=reject. > The appropriate response to an authentication failure is to investigate,

Re: [dmarc-ietf] How did DMARC go wrong, and how does our document fix it?

2023-07-16 Thread Douglas Foster
I know what "p=none" means to the sender, but that is no reason to ignore authentication failures when "p=none" or "no policy". About DMARC wrong results: We will always have these types of messages: 1) Domain owner messages transmitted and received with authentication 2) Domain owner messages tr

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Eliminating From Munging from this list

2023-07-16 Thread Emanuel Schorsch
Having negotiations between senders, evaluators and lists sounds difficult. I agree the dream would be to have at least a semi-automated solution which works. I'd be interested to hear what you think of the following rough idea (with the assumption that most lists today are currently doing FromMung

Re: [dmarc-ietf] How did DMARC go wrong, and how does our document fix it?

2023-07-16 Thread John Levine
It appears that OLIVIER HUREAU said: >-=-=-=-=-=- > >Hi, > >> The stupid evaluator says, "p=none means no problem here". > >And the non-stupid evaluator knows that p=none means that the domain owner >doesn't (yet) have the appropriate sending infrastructure to have >p=reject. Or it means tha

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Eliminating From Munging from this list

2023-07-16 Thread Wei Chuang
On Sun, Jul 16, 2023 at 6:50 PM Emanuel Schorsch wrote: > Having negotiations between senders, evaluators and lists sounds > difficult. I agree the dream would be to have at least a semi-automated > solution which works. I'd be interested to hear what you think of the > following rough idea (with