Re: [dmarc-ietf] [EXTERNAL] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmarc-aggregate-reporting-09.txt

2023-04-27 Thread Douglas Foster
These are the potential data harvesting strategies that I can envision. Are there others? Data harvesting by originating domain (I don't see how data harvesting by the originating domain can be considered a privacy violation, but these are the strategies: - Report data can be matched to

Re: [dmarc-ietf] [EXTERNAL] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmarc-aggregate-reporting-09.txt

2023-04-26 Thread Matthäus Wander
On Tue 25/Apr/2023 21:08:56 +0200 John R Levine wrote: Looks mostly good to me.  By the way, that bit about a malicious Doamin Owner is not hypothetical, and I don't think I'm malicious. Just make it A Domain Owner ... Agreed, just Domain Owner then. Alessandro Vesely wrote on 2023-04-26

Re: [dmarc-ietf] [EXTERNAL] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmarc-aggregate-reporting-09.txt

2023-04-26 Thread Alessandro Vesely
On Tue 25/Apr/2023 21:08:56 +0200 John R Levine wrote: 6.1.  Data Exposure Considerations   Aggregate reports are limited in scope to DMARC policy and   disposition results, to information pertaining to the underlying   authentication mechanisms, and to the domain-level identifiers   involved

Re: [dmarc-ietf] [EXTERNAL] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmarc-aggregate-reporting-09.txt

2023-04-25 Thread John R Levine
6.1. Data Exposure Considerations Aggregate reports are limited in scope to DMARC policy and disposition results, to information pertaining to the underlying authentication mechanisms, and to the domain-level identifiers involved in DMARC validation. Aggregate reports may expose

Re: [dmarc-ietf] [EXTERNAL] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmarc-aggregate-reporting-09.txt

2023-04-25 Thread Matthäus Wander
Brotman, Alex wrote on 2023-04-25 19:32: I'm not disagreeing with the idea below, just that by omitting this in the draft, we could leave it open to interpretation that it *always* will be a privacy violation. This could justify decisions by some receivers to decline to send reports.

Re: [dmarc-ietf] [EXTERNAL] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmarc-aggregate-reporting-09.txt

2023-04-25 Thread Scott Kitterman
t;Otherwise, I'll remove 6.3. > >-- >Alex Brotman >Sr. Engineer, Anti-Abuse & Messaging Policy >Comcast > >> -Original Message- >> From: dmarc On Behalf Of Scott Kitterman >> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2023 1:14 PM >> To: dmarc@ietf.org >> Subject: Re:

Re: [dmarc-ietf] [EXTERNAL] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmarc-aggregate-reporting-09.txt

2023-04-25 Thread Brotman, Alex
. Engineer, Anti-Abuse & Messaging Policy Comcast > -Original Message- > From: dmarc On Behalf Of Scott Kitterman > Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2023 1:14 PM > To: dmarc@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [dmarc-ietf] [EXTERNAL] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmarc- > aggregate-reportin

Re: [dmarc-ietf] [EXTERNAL] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmarc-aggregate-reporting-09.txt

2023-04-25 Thread Scott Kitterman
Assuming for a moment that single user domains can't have a privacy violation (I'm not sure I agree), how about a two person domain? Three? Unless it's impossible to have a report that contains personal information, mail receivers (report senders) absolutely can't rely on the assertion in

Re: [dmarc-ietf] [EXTERNAL] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmarc-aggregate-reporting-09.txt

2023-04-25 Thread Alessandro Vesely
John is not alone, I too can recognize single posts. However, I'd argue that in such cases there is no privacy violation. You violate privacy when you collect personal data of (several) people *different from yourself*. Best Ale On Tue 25/Apr/2023 18:36:34 +0200 Scott Kitterman wrote: My

Re: [dmarc-ietf] [EXTERNAL] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmarc-aggregate-reporting-09.txt

2023-04-25 Thread Scott Kitterman
My suggestion is delete all of it. It's accurate for some cases, not for others. If you want to keep any of it, I think it needs to be properly caveated. I expect that would be a Sisyphean task that's not worth the effort. Scott K On April 25, 2023 2:54:46 PM UTC, "Brotman, Alex" wrote:

Re: [dmarc-ietf] [EXTERNAL] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmarc-aggregate-reporting-09.txt

2023-04-25 Thread Brotman, Alex
> As explained in 6.1, that's not actually true if the domains are small enuogh. > In some of my tiny domains I can often recognize individual messages I've > sent. I'd just delete these sentences. I'd argue that you're in a (mostly) unique situation where you're the sender and the report