Re: [dmarc-ietf] 3.2.6. Non-existent Domains

2021-12-06 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Sunday, December 5, 2021 9:35:15 PM EST John Levine wrote: > It appears that Scott Kitterman said: > >> For your #2 you seem to be saying that if I send no-reply transactional > >> mail, my DNS would look like this: > >> > >> notifiy.bigcorp.com. IN MX 0 . /* we don't receive replies /* >

Re: [dmarc-ietf] 3.2.6. Non-existent Domains

2021-12-06 Thread Douglas Foster
Scot raises a valid concern, which calls for a counterproposal, not an end to discussion.I can propose one, but I wonder what the group thinks. Building on other comments, the strict needs this additional logic: DMARC Policy and the NP test --

Re: [dmarc-ietf] 3.2.6. Non-existent Domains

2021-12-05 Thread John Levine
It appears that Scott Kitterman said: >> For your #2 you seem to be saying that if I send no-reply transactional >> mail, my DNS would look like this: >> >> notifiy.bigcorp.com. IN MX 0 . /* we don't receive replies /* >>IN A 0.0.0.0 /* make the domain exist */ >>

Re: [dmarc-ietf] 3.2.6. Non-existent Domains

2021-12-05 Thread Scott Kitterman
On December 5, 2021 9:54:42 PM UTC, Douglas Foster wrote: >It is a relief to finally have this topic open for discussion. The issues >go deeper than null MX. > >The goal is to domain names that the domain owner never uses for >RFC5321.From addresses. No direct test exists, so there are two

Re: [dmarc-ietf] 3.2.6. Non-existent Domains

2021-12-05 Thread Douglas Foster
It is a relief to finally have this topic open for discussion. The issues go deeper than null MX. The goal is to domain names that the domain owner never uses for RFC5321.From addresses. No direct test exists, so there are two candidate substitutes: - (Relaxed:) A name is rejected if it does

Re: [dmarc-ietf] 3.2.6. Non-existent Domains

2021-12-05 Thread Benny Pedersen
On 2021-12-05 20:40, John Levine wrote: It appears that Scott Kitterman said: How about if it has a null MX and a DMARC record or DKIM keys? Remember that those records are at different names than the MX. ... There's two ways we could go at this question: 1. A domain that, except for the

Re: [dmarc-ietf] 3.2.6. Non-existent Domains

2021-12-05 Thread Benny Pedersen
On 2021-12-05 20:04, John Levine wrote: This sounds like local policy again. Personally, I am not crazy about getting mail that I can't reply to, but my mailbox is full of mail from my bank and stores from which I have ordered telling me that I can't reply to their messages. banks or

Re: [dmarc-ietf] 3.2.6. Non-existent Domains

2021-12-05 Thread Benny Pedersen
On 2021-12-05 05:13, Scott Kitterman wrote: Should we modify the definition of non-existent domains so that a domain that only has an RFC 7505 null mx record is still considered non-existent? hope you will not change rules to ignore null MX ? why is it even a question ?

Re: [dmarc-ietf] 3.2.6. Non-existent Domains

2021-12-05 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Sunday, December 5, 2021 2:40:16 PM EST John Levine wrote: > It appears that Scott Kitterman said: > >> How about if it has a null MX and a DMARC record or DKIM keys? Remember > >> that those records are at different names than the MX. ... > > > >There's two ways we could go at this

Re: [dmarc-ietf] 3.2.6. Non-existent Domains

2021-12-05 Thread John Levine
It appears that Scott Kitterman said: >> How about if it has a null MX and a DMARC record or DKIM keys? Remember >> that those records are at different names than the MX. ... >There's two ways we could go at this question: > >1. A domain that, except for the null mx, would fit the criteria for

Re: [dmarc-ietf] 3.2.6. Non-existent Domains

2021-12-05 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Sunday, December 5, 2021 2:04:20 PM EST John Levine wrote: > It appears that Scott Kitterman said: > >Should we modify the definition of non-existent domains so that a domain > >that only has an RFC 7505 null mx record is still considered non-existent? > How about if it has a null MX and a

Re: [dmarc-ietf] 3.2.6. Non-existent Domains

2021-12-05 Thread John Levine
It appears that Scott Kitterman said: >Should we modify the definition of non-existent domains so that a domain that >only has an RFC 7505 null mx record is still considered non-existent? How about if it has a null MX and a DMARC record or DKIM keys? Remember that those records are at

Re: [dmarc-ietf] 3.2.6. Non-existent Domains

2021-12-04 Thread Tim Wicinski
On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 11:14 PM Scott Kitterman wrote: > Should we modify the definition of non-existent domains so that a domain > that > only has an RFC 7505 null mx record is still considered non-existent? > > I'll propose text if it's agreed this would be a useful change? > > Scott K > >

[dmarc-ietf] 3.2.6. Non-existent Domains

2021-12-04 Thread Scott Kitterman
Should we modify the definition of non-existent domains so that a domain that only has an RFC 7505 null mx record is still considered non-existent? I'll propose text if it's agreed this would be a useful change? Scott K ___ dmarc mailing list