Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC and Bounces (was: Indirect Mail Flows)

2014-11-30 Thread Hector Santos
On 11/29/2014 7:04 AM, José Ferreira wrote: Like is said, they are rare but important. And some domain owners may not adopt p=reject for that reason. Jose Borges Ferreira Domains that publish a p=reject and don 't understand its possible outcomes, shouldn't be our (IETF protocol standards

Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC and Bounces (was: Indirect Mail Flows)

2014-11-30 Thread Franck Martin
- Original Message - From: Stephen J. Turnbull step...@xemacs.org To: José Ferreira jose.ferre...@anubisnetworks.com Cc: dmarc@ietf.org Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 10:22:13 PM Subject: Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC and Bounces (was: Indirect Mail Flows) José Ferreira writes: I

Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC and Bounces (was: Indirect Mail Flows)

2014-11-30 Thread Franck Martin
- Original Message - From: José Ferreira jose.ferre...@anubisnetworks.com To: Hector Santos hsan...@isdg.net Cc: dmarc@ietf.org Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 11:58:32 AM Subject: Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC and Bounces (was: Indirect Mail Flows) Forget about ML. I'm not only

Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC and Bounces (was: Indirect Mail Flows)

2014-11-30 Thread John Levine
So the edge system generates a bounce message (MDN). Knowing that RFC5321.MailFrom will . To be DMARC compliant the RFC5321.HELO/.EHLO name must be align with the RFC5322.From of the MDN. Why wouldn't you add a DKIM signature that matches the domain name in the message From: line? The envelope

Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC and Bounces (was: Indirect Mail Flows)

2014-11-28 Thread José Ferreira
- Original Message - From: Franck Martin fra...@peachymango.org To: José Ferreira jose.ferre...@anubisnetworks.com Cc: dmarc@ietf.org Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2014 7:35:23 PM Subject: Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC and Bounces (was: Indirect Mail Flows) - Original Message

Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC and Bounces (was: Indirect Mail Flows)

2014-11-28 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
José Ferreira writes: I think there should be a wider reference to bounces in the draft-kucherawy-dmarc-base. I know bounces are rare and we try the most to avoid bounces but it happens and have specific issues that should be addressed differently or , at least, highlighted. They are