Re: [dmarc-ietf] Using CNAME records to DMARC templates causes issues

2021-03-03 Thread John Levine
In article you write: >As for those few folks who have seen DNS issues around using CNAMEs, I really >want to >hear from you off list. Tracking down esoteric DNS error operational behavior >is >something I am slightly obsessive about. "I'm from the DNS, and I'm here to >help" Yup. I am

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Using CNAME records to DMARC templates causes issues

2021-03-03 Thread Tim Wicinski
I have to overly agree with Murray here. Where there should be discussions around using CNAMEs for DMARC records would be in a DMARC best practice document. I spent some time yesterday digging through all the DKIM RFCs, and there is no place where there are discussions about using CNAMEs (Except

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Using CNAME records to DMARC templates causes issues

2021-03-03 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
On Tue, Mar 2, 2021 at 3:51 AM Douglas Foster < dougfoster.emailstanda...@gmail.com> wrote: > Because CNAME usage was not mentioned in the previous DMARC document, > existing implementations may not have tested this configuration. For the > policy publishing organization, this increases the

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Using CNAME records to DMARC templates causes issues

2021-03-02 Thread Seth Blank
I’ve seen CNAME for DMARC deployed frequently and without issue. This should be completely transparent to most implementations, as whether the record is TXT or CNAME, the same answer should be retrieved from DNS. Let’s not conflate implementation issues with problems in the spec, although I

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Using CNAME records to DMARC templates causes issues

2021-03-02 Thread Tõnu Tammer
Current RFC does not mention CNAME and while, in theory, it should work, we have seen that it does not always do so. Therefore, I would also support explicitly mentioning CNAME in the RFC. It is true that people can make mistakes but people already make typos and other mistakes but having

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Using CNAME records to DMARC templates causes issues

2021-03-02 Thread jbouwh
L.S. I would suggest update the DMARC standard make explicit how CNAME can be used or not. Beside of that, the opendmarc software should address this as a bug in some way. Their opendmarc-check tool shows the correct policy that fails from the opendmarc service when used on a CNAME-ed DMARC

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Using CNAME records to DMARC templates causes issues

2021-03-02 Thread Douglas Foster
Because CNAME usage was not mentioned in the previous DMARC document, existing implementations may not have tested this configuration. For the policy publishing organization, this increases the possibility that some recipients may treat the mail as not protected by DMARC. As with any

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Using CNAME records to DMARC templates causes issues

2021-03-02 Thread Tim Wicinski
Using a CNAME at _dmarc.example should not be a problem, as long as the CNAME target is a TXT record. The DNS resolver functions should should handle this seamlessly. This does sound like a vendor software problem. I am aware of DKIM records being deployed using CNAMEs pointing to a TXT record

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Using CNAME records to DMARC templates causes issues

2021-03-02 Thread Henning Krause
> -Original Message- > From: dmarc [mailto:dmarc-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Tõnu Tammer > Sent: Dienstag, 2. März 2021 09:13 > To: dmarc@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [dmarc-ietf] Using CNAME records to DMARC templates causes > issues > > Hi Jan, > > We have noticed similar

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Using CNAME records to DMARC templates causes issues

2021-03-02 Thread Tõnu Tammer
Hi Jan, We have noticed similar issue with CNAME that is used by some of the vendors. However, we have not fully concluded if this is the issue of software as RFC stipulates that TXT records should be used. https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7489#section-6.1 KR, Tonu CERT-EE On 02.03.2021

[dmarc-ietf] Using CNAME records to DMARC templates causes issues

2021-03-01 Thread jbouwh
Hi all, I am new to this list, and will give a short introduction to myself. I work for the Dutch government as an IT architect. One of my goals is improving mail security. As Dutch government we commit to comply to SPF, DKIM, DMARC, DANE and IPv6 standards. With this we are challenged to keep